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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22260973 - 09/19/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I tested the stopcock on the 941 today. And got video of the stopcock popping. This valve didn't leak a bit before popping like I thought it would. I'm pretty sure the other valves I have do, I will have to test them. The valve popped around 28-29psi. Video isn't the greatest. It was zoomed in and it caught me a little off guard.





2 days later the 941 is still pulling vacuum from the unloaded test run! The new stopcock seems to have fixed the leak. I had also removed the blowout plug and used a q-tip to apply Vaseline in the groove around the plug, in a very thin layer. This may have helped a little.

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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22261018 - 09/19/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Juiced, just noticed the vid you posted. It reminds me of a ufo file vid or a mermaid vid. You only catch a glimpse of what is going on and are like,  " oh shit, I have to watch that again."

Does anyone else notice that things seem to come out dryer. Not the grain or stuff inside the jar/bag. But just in general. My polyfill filters are dry, my filter lids, less condensation inside the pc.
I think it has something to do with holding pressure versus always off gassing. I would have done this when I first bought the pc if I knew about it


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
    #22261113 - 09/19/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That is scary for sure. :eek:

I'm lucky to have a gas range but the hood is much too low for the 941. I have to take it outside to run it on a propane burner. The toggle on my 1925x lets off way below aerow.thefox's. It blows at about 24 lbs. I have yet to see the rubber plug blow on any of my AA's. :cool:

I would make a suggestion and that is for those of you with the funds, get a basket and a tube for your conversion so that you can "dry steam" your agar, utensils, and other things. It is so much more convenient than a PC version. It also is a slick way to do bags, as you can just space them in the basket and, when cool, take the basket out of the unit and quickly put into a brand new trash bag and seal. The bag is sterile and you can effortlessly move it to your clean room from the stove. My contaminate rate is almost null using this technique, as I don't have to fool around pulling the bags one at a time from the stove to... wherever in open air. Just a thought to make it a cleaner way to do things.

Tahoe definitely is the man on this TEK. Again, great job. :hatsoff:



The old stopcock model blows off sooner, 22-24psi I believe.

You don't really need the basket to sterilize agar and utensils and keep them dry, I do it all the time.  The basket doesn't create the "dry steam" PCing creates "dry steam" The basket just makes it convenient to remove everything at once, which I can see some benefit to. However, the basket also chops down your max load capacity. I would not be able to fit the same amount of bags or jars in my cookers with the basket. One of my 4x2' flowhoods is not far from the stove, so putting the cooker in front of it and opening and unloading is pretty easy.

If I were to get a basket I would want one for my 921... However, I'm not sure they make a basket that would be the right size. They make baskets for the 15qt, 25qt, and 41qt non electric sterilizers and the same capacity electric models. The 15qt basket would fit in the 921, but would be kinda short. And the 25qt model basket would be too tall for the 921 I imagine. Then for my 930, It would be a similar issue with the 25qt model basket as the 921 and 15qt basket the 25qt basket would be a little short. The only correctly sized basket I could grab would be for the 941. But I don't want or need to get a basket for it.

Then there's the air exhaust tubes. They don't make the right lengths for the 921. I supposed a tube from the 25qt model would work, it would just be a tad long, not sure if that would be an issue unless the end of the tube was laying on the bottom of the basket and there was some water down there. The 941 air exhaust tube would work perfect for the 930 though. The 941 & 930 are the same height.

Anyone run a 15qt basket in a AA921 or a 25qt basket in an AA930? Does the shorter basket make any difference? I can't see why it would be a problem.


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Juiced, just noticed the vid you posted. It reminds me of a ufo file vid or a mermaid vid. You only catch a glimpse of what is going on and are like,  " oh shit, I have to watch that again."




LoL yeah, I actually recorded a few videos trying to catch the stopcock popping. I had to keep stopping recording and delete the video and start again because it hadn't popped yet. I just managed to get the camera back on and zoomed in before it finally popped. Barely managed to get it on vid. lol


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22261335 - 09/19/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I always just "rubber band" up the tube, place the jars on racks and take out the basket when doing jars. You are absolutely correct that the capacity is hampered with the basket installed. I've done it both ways and the basket is way better for bags as you have to keep them from hitting the sides of the vessel when running anyway, therefore it is so much more convenient to place them in the basket and not worry about it. Not all of us work next to the kitchen so moving the contents from the PC to the work area is something to address (especially if you have a bad back). I like it better for agar especially since the containers are easier to hold upright when running. With that being said, to each his own.

I have a 15 and 25 qt sterilizer, but haven't tried to use the smaller basket in the larger vessel. I would really love to have one for the 940 as you would have the luxury of maximizing the air around the contents in the big boy. They are $$$ though. I would just get the longest tube and cut it down if I were customizing the size. That's a cool idea in and of itself.

Happy sterilizing.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
    #22263095 - 09/20/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dude! This is super cool TaGyo

I might just have to try this. My GF hates the jiggler too so thats a plus haha


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: mushpunx]
    #22263113 - 09/20/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My gf loves the jiggler  :doggystyle:


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: maddchef]
    #22263117 - 09/20/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: mushpunx]
    #22263484 - 09/20/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude! This is super cool TaGyo

I might just have to try this. My GF hates the jiggler too so thats a plus haha




Uh...  heh...


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Inocuole]
    #22263499 - 09/20/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, bet she does...especially if you have the old style stopcock that blows too quickly.

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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22263506 - 09/20/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I always just tape up the tube, place the jars on racks and take out the basket when doing jars. You are absolutely correct that the capacity is hampered with the basket installed. I've done it both ways and the basket is way better for bags as you have to keep them from hitting the sides of the vessel when running anyway, therefore it is so much more convenient to place them in the basket and not worry about it. Not all of us work next to the kitchen so moving the contents from the PC to the work area is something to address (especially if you have a bad back). I like it better for agar especially since the containers are easier to hold upright when running. With that being said, to each his own.

I have a 15 and 25 qt sterilizer, but haven't tried to use the smaller basket in the larger vessel. I would really love to have one for the 940 as you would have the luxury of maximizing the air around the contents in the big boy. They are $$$ though. I would just get the longest tube and cut it down if I were customizing the size. That's a cool idea in and of itself.

Happy sterilizing.



Are you able to stuff the basket with 2 layers of 2 8" X 4.8" X 19" bags with 5-6lb of sawdust in the 25qt sterilizer with the basket? I can manager to get 4 in my 921 in 2 layers of 2. But It is a pain in the dick getting jar lid rings around the bags and between them.

Back problems suck. I've got a herniated disc. :frown: I'm getting one of these to help move things:
http://www.harborfreight.com/1000-lbs-capacity-hydraulic-table-cart-69148.html

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Dude! This is super cool TaGyo

I might just have to try this. My GF hates the jiggler too so thats a plus haha




Uh...  heh...



LoL yeah, I went through the thread wondering if taGyo even posted in here. He did not..


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Yeah, bet she does...especially if you have the old style stopcock that blows too quickly.

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Day 3, Still holding vacuum on the 941 from my test run. Look ma, no air exhaust tube! :lol:


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22263599 - 09/20/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Tahoe tagyo, close enough.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: aerow.thefox]
    #22265297 - 09/20/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Just walked into the garage and found this. The release valve was hissing a little and about to open.





:uh:




Thats about where my overpressure relief valve would go off.

Also I hear ya tahoe on the kitchen thing. Was a big reason why I spent extra for a 75x.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22267875 - 09/21/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't ask me how I know, but I figured out where the release valve automatically closes at. It's 20 psi.
I was just messing with it while it was at 24psi. I was flipping the little lever around trying to get it to open. It did so and the pressure dropped to twenty and it closed.
I got the timer set for three hours. It's time for bed. It is so nice being able to leave this thing alone and not worry about it boiling through all of its water. Ni night pc. See you in the morning.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22268299 - 09/21/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In full disclosure, I have not been able to read this thread through entirely. However, it was brought to our attention the issues surrounding the new model control valves being supplied by AA...

First, ALL replacement parts sold by Everything Mushrooms come direct from All-American (WAFCO). We do not source any third party replacement parts for these units.

Second, It's worth keeping in mind that these types of conversions are certainly not approved by the manufacture.

It may have already been addressed, but the Control Valve is designed to be screwed into the top of the Air Exhaust Tube. This is true of the 1941X setup you are attempting to mirror. Judging from my read of this thread it appears as though the main problem was with potential thread pitch differences, and this could be why?

We have an inquiry in with the foundry to ask about the sourcing of the Control Valve part, or if anything has changed recently in its manufacture that could lead to it failing, falling apart, etc. We have been working with WAFCO for over a decade and they are very responsive to customer feedback.

Also, please understand that Everything Mushrooms has no personal or first hand experience with pressure cooker to sterilizer conversions, instead we have elected to always use the units as produced and designed from the manufacture in our commercial operations, so we are a bit limited in the practical advice we can give when undergoing this procedure.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: EverythingMushroom]
    #22268320 - 09/21/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22268933 - 09/21/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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First, ALL replacement parts sold by Everything Mushrooms come direct from All-American (WAFCO). We do not source any third party replacement parts for these units.


It may have already been addressed, but the Control Valve is designed to be screwed into the top of the Air Exhaust Tube. This is true of the 1941X setup you are attempting to mirror. Judging from my read of this thread it appears as though the main problem was with potential thread pitch differences, and this could be why?




Ask them why the stamping on the valves appear to have variations. If you read the whole thread you can see the differences. Valves that have come from you guys have had different stampings.


My control valve installation on my 941 is not really a conversion. It is an older model 941 that came with the old model control valve from the factory. The valve was screwed directly into the lid. This is how their Pressure Cookers came at one point in time, just a valve and blow out plug(I upgraded to the red one). The new control valve is a direct replacement for the the old one in any instance where the unit came with a control valve, weather you have an old PC that used the old stopcock without the air tube, or a sterilizer with an air tube. So, saying they are designed to be screwed into the air exhaust tube is not exactly correct. I had no issues installing the valve directly into the lid of my old 941 to replace the old stopcock. I also had no issues installing new valves from another vendor on my 921 & 930.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22269325 - 09/21/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: EverythingMushroom]
    #22277007 - 09/22/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In regard to "Eveything Mushroom",
Quote:"Second, It's worth keeping in mind that these types of conversions are certainly not approved by the manufacture."

Basically, the only thing that most people are doing on here is to convert the rocker back to the toggle system. No one is really going all out and purchasing a basket and the exhaust tube to actually try to make a sterilizer out of a canner. My input here was to alert anyone to any misconceptions that they may have had towards a complete transformation. If they were, I simply wanted to alert them to the fact that they need to follow some tried and true methods of dealing with a basket/tube situation.

Simply put, if you were to buy a used AA canner, it would have come from the factory with the aforementioned "conversion" already done (if it was an old one)!

I am sure that there is no blatant mis-information on this thread. I have dealt with the techs a WAFCO, and went through everything that I have described with them so as to give safe advice. Tahoe has done an excellent job being very thorough with this TEK, same with everyone else who has chimed in. I have always advocated the toggle over the rocker and am glad that Tahoe helped many people out here.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
    #22277122 - 09/23/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

True dat. Everything mushroom was just covering
Their ass since I linked them in the original post. The tube only makes sense if you have a basket. Em knows that the thread on the tube and the thread on the valve are the same.
Hopefully someone figures out what the fc stands for. I would cut out the two middle men, aa and everything mushroom, and ask Kingston.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22295606 - 09/26/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone have one of those metal pressure relief valve. The safety valve one.  I can only find it for $30


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