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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22139594 - 08/25/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sometimes people take drugs to get fucked up

:themoreyouknow:


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22139649 - 08/25/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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^^ :lol: looks like I hit a nerve while aiming for a vein



I bet you've said that before.


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #22139654 - 08/25/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sometimes people take drugs to get fucked up

:themoreyouknow:



No way. It's not like, the social growth aspects for the individual has a positive effect on the whole. An stuff

You need Jesus for that.


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22139747 - 08/25/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
^^ :lol: looks like I hit a nerve while aiming for a vein



I bet you've said that before.





actually I haven't. I was just going to say "looks like it a nerve" but then I figured you were gonna throw in a heroin/vein joke so I said it first to diffuse the punchline


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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22139761 - 08/25/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I figured it would be better than steering the conversation towards you talking about how special you think you are for your drug use and how psychedelics are so important to mankind. Tripping is religious brah, every time. How dare people enjoy themselves. They are supposed to be basking in God's bountiful shine in a day of powerful divine catharsis.


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22139785 - 08/25/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Never did I say everyone should use psychs to see God.

Im just saying that theres dude on my street who eats large doses of mushrooms all the time and just doesn't get anything from it besides "i got so fucked up the other night...I was geeking out"

then one time he told me he wanted the shrooms that "make you laugh" because I gave him a batch that "was too serious". He legit takes it out on me when the shrooms actually try to teach him something.

The guy is ridiculously stupid.

and he thinks white mushrooms are the best. Hes always asking me "david buddy listen I want the white mushrooms. last time I took white mushrooms I couldn't stop laughing"


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22139816 - 08/25/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, that is pretty funny. :lol:

It's just an observation dude, you've said a lot of things on this site pertaining to it as well. I would say I probably have a pretty complex view of psychedelics and I think you get the jist of it. Things can get awefully important feeling and maybe it is, but whatever is important has a lot more to do with what's inside yourself than what you can be. Because that is now as much as everything we do. If the now is simply bliss for one, maybe he has found his balance. Our balance is perception, if another does not see that balance that is their higher perception, the one outside ourself, our personal reality. Our lowest self, the one that pertains to the now that is ourselves, is the center of happiness and contentment. That's the whole point in the greatness of psychedelics, whatever else that exists, exists in a personal sense. If he's happy then he's done justice to many's passion, just in his own way. The true difference in those people, I feel, is they are not ( the target audience).


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22139843 - 08/25/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well the thing with me is...I don't believe anyone should use psychs just for spiritual reasons or whatever...BUT I do believe that everyone should strive towards psychedelics. I believe that the experience is so important that if you are NOT doing them/striving towards them, then you are going in the wrong direction.

so what im saying is that you can use psychs for whatever reasons you want...as long as you are using them.

If you use mushrooms and they tell you to worship Lucifer and light candles in the dark while speaking in tongues then by all means fucking do it.

This is where I draw the line..

When someone says that they do not "need" psychedelic drugs. I believe that no matter who you are, you need them at some point in your life. Even if you eat 5 grams 1 time and that's the only time you ever do a psych...fine. Atleast you tried them. But if you haven't tried them and you give me the whole "i don't need them...im perfectly happy and content how I am" then you have a problem.

refusing to do psychs because "i don't need them" is like refusing to eat healthy or exercise because "i don't need too". Its just too important to go from birth to the grave without having tried it.




so yes, its ok that this guy isn't having spiritual experiences. But his lack of knowledge is something that he needs to take care of.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22139849 - 08/25/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol I guess it's because they don't understand much about how the brain functions, and that does not mean they need to be neuro-surgeons. It just means that maybe they are people who don't get cannabinoids (psychoactive), for starters, let alone shrooms (which I myself have not tried). Chemicals in the brain alter perception. That means that, if you are already seeing colors, there is a reason for that, much deeper than the colors you see.

I imagine that this is about the gist of the answers here, but I am introducing myself in the Put!

Oh, I agree that psychs are a must-do even if once in a lifetime. What I often see is that people are so afraid to try them sometimes that, when they do and get a bad trip, they curse the substance without understanding that even bad trips can be very resourceful.

I believe in recreational use, but psychs can do a lot more (once again, I have not tried psilocybin at all, only other psychoactive drugs).


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22139886 - 08/25/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I could see how you could say that but can you agree that no matter how smart anyone thinks they are, seeing completely through anothers eyes is an impossible task. You can only do a best guess and it will always answer to your own bias. I think some people already have it figured out, or they never had to have it figured out in the first place. And no I'm not talking about God or whatever, I just mean ourselves and our own lives. Some people maybe actually do need a good trip, at least once, but I can't agree with implying it's some kind of sacrament to the gift of life to not indulge at least once. This is what I was trying to say about the other guy, maybe he just has it figured out enough for himself. Some people might see that as not quite good enough but where does good enough start?

Whatever surpasses a midset like you or I would think the same of us that you of him. I say that because I think you're talking about bettering ourselves and seizing the opportunity to open our minds to new 'dimensions' of our reality. That's an amazing premise but however humans are lazy. If every single one of us psychedelic users got together to even just vote on something, let alone protest or buy large amounts of land to kind of 'colonize' we would make big changes for at least a few. But we're all fucking lazy, and scared, so we stop at self improvement, philosophy, and deconstruction of the divine. We all have improvement to make and unless we make that change ourselves then it will never happen regardless of the epiphany or motivation.

Psychedelics are amazing. I do them at least once a month, they are my anti-depressant. Sometimes I have a good time, sometimes I speak to something greater, but in the end I like the way they make me feel, inside and out. No matter how much I enjoy them, I can't pretend who I am and what I need can always translate in to benefit for another. That is the point in having a word like 'unique.' The great thing about it is when you zoom in enough you'll always see that characteristic.


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22140008 - 08/25/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well I know that I am no better or worse than anyone. That,, plus the fact that I would probably be dead or in  jail if it wasn't for the reassurance and overall serenity that psychedelics give, I come to the conclusion that its an overall enhancer. Imagine if Einstein did psychedelics..he would either gain nothing from it, or something. He wouldn't LOSE anything. So why not TRY it? It can only help and you would never know unless you try it.

That's why I say everyone should try it atleast..because the very worst thing it will do...is nothing.

I compare psychs to sex. Wouldn't you want to know sex existed? I would. Some don't feel the need to fuck..others need it. But it certainly hasn't HURT anyones progression.


The bottom line is that psychedelics make us experience more than what we can in sobriety. Everyone deserves that.

If they try it and it doesn't appeal to them..then that's fair. But dont go and tell me you don't need it when you haven't tried it before.


Forget the whole God thing for now...that's just a bonus. What psychs are capable of are fundamental to the human being. Like sex.



and when you say that some people have it figured it out..im not sure how I feel about that.

I think everyone can always improve...some more than others. Yes, Einstein had it figured out...but could he have been even better? I think so. Maybe psychs could have done it for him...but maybe not. You will never know unless you try It...therefore I believe everyone has a right to try it, and should be obligated to try it.



and when you say we psych users are lazy...oh man I couldn't agree more. BUT if it wasn't for psychs...I honestly believe 100% I would be FAR worse off. That's why I give psychedelics so much credit.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22141141 - 08/25/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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and when you say we psych users are lazy...oh man I couldn't agree more. BUT if it wasn't for psychs...I honestly believe 100% I would be FAR worse off. That's why I give psychedelics so much credit.



Honestly, never heard that one before. Psychedelics make me put my 100% into everything, I was lazy before taking them. But they make me get my shit together and not waste my days away.


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Achillita]
    #22141157 - 08/25/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

maybe I'm weird but most my psychedelic experiences have led to a better 'relationship/understand' with/of my self rather than some existential spirituality - if anything psychedelics have made me less spiritual but more accepting of my apparent ignorance of the 'mystery' of it all. everything is forever was and other zen anecdotes.


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22141463 - 08/25/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Two people avoid all drugs, cowards and fools. That may be an insult to cows, to which I apologise


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #22151745 - 08/27/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nitrous Monkey said:
Sometimes people take drugs to get fucked up

:themoreyouknow:



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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22152478 - 08/27/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know about most people. But it's definitely a big trend in drug culture today.


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Re: Why can't some people get that psychedelics show people more than "pretty colors" [Re: Achillita]
    #22152504 - 08/27/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

everyone has their moments of that but people that eat them only to escape just seems like a waste to me.


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