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feminine vs masculine psychedelics
    #22137638 - 08/24/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Last night I had amazing DMT trip, not a breakthrough but right on the threshold. I shot up to heaven and was met by a host of angels and then I got scared and turned away from those pearly gates in search of my body. Then I put on some ayahuasca music which was amazing because, just like I get with the peyote music when I trip cactus, the music totally guided the trip. I met the green ayahuasca goddess, who was the most beautiful goddess I have ever seen. Absolutely stunning, I was instantly taken with her.

Later I read that the shamans consider ayahuasca feminine and San Pedro cactus masculine and they recommend using ayahuasca first. That totally makes sense with my experience and I guess they recommended aya first the same way the Catholic Church teaches to get to know Mary first and then Jesus.

So this got me thinking about masculine vs feminine psychedelics and I am just curious about your thoughts on the matter. I guess mushrooms would be masculine. The strange thing is, the most masculine psychedelic of all in my opinion is aminita muscaria. I feel like in comparison to aminita muscaria, mushrooms are feminine. Aminita is alpha and psilocybin omega. So can something be one gender in one situation and another gender in another? Does that make sense?

I also feel like I need to get more in touch with the divine feminine because I have been using a lot of cactus and aminita lately and am full of male energy. The ayahuasca goddess showed me the beauty of the divine feminine and it was exquisite. I am guessing LSA is feminine? I havent tried thar one, do you guys think it would be a good choice to help me understand the divine feminine better?


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: Deviate]
    #22137677 - 08/24/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Any reports or thoughts on one drug being "masculine" and another "feminine" are going to be entirely the result of that individual's cultural perceptions and expectations.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22137773 - 08/24/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The Shamans have mixed too much religion in with pyschedelics.. what passes for shamanism in the amazon Im sure is just a shadow of the original ceremony
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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22137885 - 08/24/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Any reports or thoughts on one drug being "masculine" and another "feminine" are going to be entirely the result of that individual's cultural perceptions and expectations.




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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: Deviate]
    #22138038 - 08/24/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Any reports or thoughts on one drug being "masculine" and another "feminine" are going to be entirely the result of that individual's cultural perceptions and expectations.




Why?




Because what is considered "Masculine" and what is considered "Feminine" are social constructs that vary among cultures.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22138055 - 08/24/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Any reports or thoughts on one drug being "masculine" and another "feminine" are going to be entirely the result of that individual's cultural perceptions and expectations.



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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: mushpunx]
    #22138114 - 08/24/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Shamans have mixed too much religion in with pyschedelics.. what passes for shamanism in the amazon Im sure is just a shadow of the original ceremony
I dont trust them



Shamanism is a pretty varied belief system that holds similar beliefs. But stuff that people hold sacred varies so much.

But shamanism is religion. Just curious why don't you trust them? There are a lot of plastic shamans, but there are definitely plenty of real ones in the world.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22138251 - 08/24/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Any reports or thoughts on one drug being "masculine" and another "feminine" are going to be entirely the result of that individual's cultural perceptions and expectations.





Idk the first time i smoked salvia i felt a strong feminine presence, later on read that its  pretty common thing with salvia.

Why so quick to shoot everything down?


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22140589 - 08/25/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

definatly. Salvia puts me in direct contact with a female diety everytime. the first time i was beckoned and welcomed, it was as if i was returning to a familiar place. I always could hear a female voice, sometimes speaking another language to the ear, but i could understand it in my mind.

i feel like after abusing salvia i was taught a lesson by the same diety. she scared the shit out of me. pure terror many times over when i would trip on salvia.

I thought one time that salvia puts you in contact with a true creator diety. As if you were in the afterlife.

I was there once and i felt like my soul left my body. my soul was a light, and my body was a prism like a phone booth. My spirit left, and another spirit entered my body.

honestly i've never felt the same after that trip. and i wonder sometimes if i am even really the same person. Sometimes i wonder if the diety did keep me there. Sometimes i wonder if the diety thinks i am there, but i am here. and when i die my spirit will not ascend because 'on paper' my spirit is already there. like a glitch in the system, seems plausable if i were 'hacking the system with salvia'


i know it's all pretty far out... and none of this would i say i am certain of. It's definatly something i have pondered as  potential realities many times though.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: hawtdawglawl]
    #22140614 - 08/25/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i got way off topic there. happens when i talk about salvia haha... fucking mind blowing.

but Yeah, i can see how someone might observe psilocybin to be masculine, but with all the "it will turn you gay" stuff maybe it's feminine lol.

i feel like lsd is completly um gender nuetral. i feel like when i trip, there is no true division of feminine or masculine, just two halfs that are equal and opposite. like if there was a divine creator it would be genderless, and we are just the reflections of it's right and left brains represented in male and female forms.


cannabis should be pretty obvious since it comes from a
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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22140863 - 08/25/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Any reports or thoughts on one drug being "masculine" and another "feminine" are going to be entirely the result of that individual's cultural perceptions and expectations.





Idk the first time i smoked salvia i felt a strong feminine presence, later on read that its  pretty common thing with salvia.

Why so quick to shoot everything down?




Traits that are associated with masculinity and femininity are cultural in origin. They can vary widely across different cultures and times. So, I don't really see how pointing that out isb"shooting everything down". It's just something that's entirely subjective.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22140976 - 08/25/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that makes sense. I didn't read your second post when i wrote that. But for me there were no traits, just felt like i was being watched/judged by some female presence. Didn't see or hear 'her' just felt a presence. Nothing more.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22141200 - 08/25/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The cultural perceptions of femininity or masculinity do change, but throughout the majority of cultures they are very similar in the basics.

While I don't know about a lot of psychedelics' "gender", I can say definitely salvia is very feminine. Just the "feel" I guess. Plus every time I've met a guiding entity, it was lady salvia.

The other psychedelics I can't say to much. I feel like it's more of a balance thing, especially with mushrooms.(But that's probably just based on cultural background)


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22141821 - 08/25/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Any reports or thoughts on one drug being "masculine" and another "feminine" are going to be entirely the result of that individual's cultural perceptions and expectations.




Why?




Because what is considered "Masculine" and what is considered "Feminine" are social constructs that vary among cultures.




Would you kindly tell me in which cultures getting pregnant, birthing children and breast feeding are considered masculine traits and facial hair and sperm production are considered feminine?

I am aware that ideas of masculinity and femininity vary but the fact that they vary does not prove thatthey are entirely relative nor does it invalidate the theory that some drugs have more masculine or more feminine energy.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: Deviate]
    #22142352 - 08/25/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Any reports or thoughts on one drug being "masculine" and another "feminine" are going to be entirely the result of that individual's cultural perceptions and expectations.




Why?




Because what is considered "Masculine" and what is considered "Feminine" are social constructs that vary among cultures.




Would you kindly tell me in which cultures getting pregnant, birthing children and breast feeding are considered masculine traits and facial hair and sperm production are considered feminine?

I am aware that ideas of masculinity and femininity vary but the fact that they vary does not prove thatthey are entirely relative nor does it invalidate the theory that some drugs have more masculine or more feminine energy.




I guess if your psychedelics breast feed you or splooge on your face, you've got me there.

Concepts of masculinity and femininity are not the same as biological gender.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22142624 - 08/25/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I guess if your psychedelics breast feed you or splooge on your face, you've got me there.

Concepts of masculinity and femininity are not the same as biological gender.




:wouldyoulookatthat:

Holy shit!  After the day I've had.... I sooooooo needed that!  Thank you for this! :lmafo:


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #22143301 - 08/25/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cacti is FEMININE imho because it's literally the only psychedelic to make me cry. And I'm crying out of empathy for others. Definitely THEE feminine psychedelic.

DMT is neither masculine or feminine t me.

Lsd is masculine to me. It is tough on me psychologically whereas dmt and cacti aren't. I get very self critical on lsd and feel bad about myself. Not sorry for myself just bad about myself


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22143319 - 08/25/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia felt extremely feminine to me. Meeting female entities, Lady Salvia, etc.

Mushrooms I never really felt either, but I would lean towards masculine. :shrug:


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22144132 - 08/26/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

In Peru they actually distinguish between a "female" type of cactus and a "male" type of cactus. My understanding is that San Pedro falls under the more female category and Peruvianus fall under the male category. Not sure on Bridgesii though as they aren't commonly used in Peru as far as i know.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22145195 - 08/26/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

to a degree it kind of is when you start talking about hormones like estrogen and testosterone, which are present in both sexes, but much more prevalent in one than the other.

I'm sure since these substances get us to produce serotonin, and other chemical hormones, they may  very well effect estrogen and testosterone levels, if only temporarily. in which case i would say a drug that increased estrogen, or someone associated with it or females, a female-feeling-drug.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22145427 - 08/26/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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In Peru they actually distinguish between a "female" type of cactus and a "male" type of cactus. My understanding is that San Pedro falls under the more female category and Peruvianus fall under the male category. Not sure on Bridgesii though as they aren't commonly used in Peru as far as i know.




Oh really? I did not know this. From what I understand, this sort of cactus is the sort of plant that has both a male and female plant. The female san pedro have 6 ridges and the male have 7 ridges. I read the shamans always use a male and a female together in their brew, so I have done the same thing whenever I trip Pedro.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: Deviate]
    #22145529 - 08/26/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that is cool, i'll need to remember that :wink:


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: Deviate]
    #22145561 - 08/26/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Every psychedelic is a god of 1000 faces.  I have had visitations by a female force/entity on both mushrooms and LSD, have heard many people talk about seeing the great mother.  I think it's more an archetypal image that arises as a common phenomenon of psychedelic drugs rather than a sign meaning that the drug is "feminine." 

During the same trip an experience with a strong female presence can easily switch to a more masculine trip later on and vice versa.  Does seeing giant lobstrosities and being awash in tentacles make mushrooms a more athropoidal or cephalapoidal drug?  Come on.   

One thing I've noticed is that the entities I experience are deeply tied to the music I'm listening to.  If you listen to feminine music with female singers and a soothing sound, you're going to get a feminine vibe to your trip and summon comforting female deities, if you listen to stimulating, aggressive music with a male singer then your visitors will me more masculine. 

Bottom line is, all that feminine energy is coming from within you, the drugs are neutral. 


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22145745 - 08/26/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

is there any studies on which gender relative hormone production is increased with dosage of different substances?

that would really be the only way.

but there is in my opinion something more mystical than just a chemical reaction going on, especially with salvia. so the idea of the experience being 100% in your head, i disagree with. Although there truely is no way to 'prove' it.


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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: hawtdawglawl]
    #22145807 - 08/26/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've felt LSD as feminine before because she is like a super sexy flirtatious woman that knows just how to pick you apart with her mental tricks and make you lust for her.

I know Aya is usually regarded as a motherly spirit. The only time I did it I didn't feel that too much, even though it did turn me into my mother allowing me to see my life through her perspective...

I'd say mushrooms are more masculine as they are more likely show me a kind of tough love.

I would probably agree that all of it is subjective though.


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    #22145833 - 08/26/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

plus mushrooms kind of look like dicks, and some REALLY do.


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    #22146163 - 08/26/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mushrooms are very masculine to me while weed is very feminine. I have seen the weed goddess healing me many times... and despite I vape in the mornings at night (about .20 or a bit less) I get intense visions and inspirations and it feels very feminine.

I am heading to an ayahuasca retreat in less than a month, I´ll be able to talk for DMT once I am back (if I am back haha, you never know)


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Any reports or thoughts on one drug being "masculine" and another "feminine" are going to be entirely the result of that individual's cultural perceptions and expectations.




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Re: feminine vs masculine psychedelics [Re: Deviate]
    #23361045 - 06/19/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I guess mushrooms would be masculine.



all fungi multigendered, meaning theres 36,000 genders. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scientists-discover-why-fungi-have-36000-sexes-1119181.html
As for your anthropomorphizing of molecules and the organisms that carry them, idk wtf you're going on about..
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