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FLAC's vs MP3
#22136320 - 08/24/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone very knowledgeable? From what I understand flacs are simply less compressed or "lossless" unlike heavily compressed or "lossy" formats.
Such as MP3. I try and use flacs when I can but for instance using em on my phone is a waste. One good concert will be easily 1-2gigs in the flac format.
Same concert might be like 1/10th the size when compressed to an MP3.
I might have to finally try comparing em and start a flac collection on my computer if I feel it is worth it.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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So I just downloaded a FLAC version of a song after listening to the MP3 version streamed and the FLAC is much fuller and louder.
I may have to start collecting my favorite concerts in flac format on my computer.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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I'd rather DL a 1GB movie then listen to a 800mb FLAC cd.
Purists will probably come discuss this menial difference but all in all I prefer the rustic sound of vinyl anyhow 
If you have a soundsystem go FLAC if headphones/shitty speakers = care
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What's the question here? They're absolutely different. Look up an audio SINE wave. A flac file rides the sine wave up and down basically - you're getting every bit of information on the file. A MP3 is a type of encoding that basically chops up the SINE wave to save space, and thus has less information. FLAC's have WAY, WAY more information (aka quality) than an MP3 - it's not really something that can be argued. FLAC will always sound better than MP3 as it is lossless (uncompressed) vs compressed.
An mp3 for example might take 320 samples per second of a sample. A flac file would look more like 1200-1600 samples a second, thus you're getting 5x or more information from the file. Often times if you listen to an album you've listened to your whole life on MP3 and listen to a FLAC recording you'll hear many instruments you never noticed.
The left image is FLAC basically, middle is a shitty mp3 file, right is a decent MP3 file. This is how digital encoding works for the most part.
If you have decent speakers and want the 'full' experience of a song go ahead and find FLAC, assuming you don't mind the storage required. If you have earbuds and an iPod MP3 will typically be just fine.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: Beanhead]
#22136391 - 08/24/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Beanhead said: I'd rather DL a 1GB movie then listen to a 800mb FLAC cd.
Purists will probably come discuss this menial difference but all in all I prefer the rustic sound of vinyl anyhow 
If you have a soundsystem go FLAC if headphones/shitty speakers = care
It is not a menial difference. Just about anyone whose paying attention will notice a difference between 320kb and a flac file, assuming the set-up doesn't completely blow. In my car you can CLEARLY tell a difference between a 256kb song and a flac file - it's night and day. Not so much on stock iPod earbuds though, you won't notice a difference really besides maybe less overall noise in the recording. A vinyl is basically FLAC in a way as it's a pure and full analog form thus basically lossless - most vinyl rips are ripped in flac to preserve the original sound quality. A vinyl ripped in 320kbps will sound shitty compared to FLAC ripped form vinyl. I usually only listen to vinyl myself because I don't like using computers (besides bullshitting on forums)
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
#22136413 - 08/24/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I just noticed a pretty huge difference. I have used some FLAC's for awhile now but usually stuck with MP3's or other compressed formats to save space.
I would still always have one or two FLAC shows on my phone usually, but now I will start a collection on my computer.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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musiclover420 said: Yeah I just noticed a pretty huge difference. I have used some FLAC's for awhile now but usually stuck with MP3's or other compressed formats to save space.
I would still always have one or two FLAC shows on my phone usually, but now I will start a collection on my computer.
I used to listen to lots of crappy mp3's and eventually got a real nice set-up at home and listened to vinyl and songs I've heard 1000's of times completely came to life since they weren't so compressed.
It has a lot to do with mastering as well - I have some albums I prefer the MP3 version of because most FLAC's I find are weird remastered versions that sounds stupid compared to the original mastering on the MP3. Dark Side of the Moon is a good example, most FLAC's Ive heard sound like crap compared to an older MP3 file I have of it - though if I listen I just listen on my turntable!
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
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As a producer, I prefer uncompressed formats. FLAC is preferable over .wav as well because of the reduced size of the file.
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
#22136444 - 08/24/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It should be noted that FLAC stores better than MP3, and MP3 files can literally degrade over time in storage on a computer. If you have any 10 year old MP3's you will notice this effect. A lot of 'collectors' store everything in FLAC and rip to MP3 for use on an iPod or whatever - just for preservation's sake.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Acaterpillar said: As a producer, I prefer uncompressed formats. FLAC is preferable over .wav as well because of the reduced size of the file.
Exactly, same goes for imaging, .raw is like a FLAC, and .jpg is like an MP3 - you need to decide on quantity/storage capability/and convenience.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
#22136456 - 08/24/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I am mostly talking FLAC's of live concerts, from the Archive.org's LMA. Or just random live FLAC's I find googling torrents for bands I love.
Like the Chris Robinson Brotherhood, they have several sites that sell their flacs as well as several where you can freely torrent em.
The LMA has some amazing flacs from some amazing recorders.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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musiclover420 said: Well I am mostly talking FLAC's of live concerts, from the Archive.org's LMA. Or just random live FLAC's I find googling torrents for bands I love.
Like the Chris Robinson Brotherhood, they have several sites that sell their flacs as well as several where you can freely torrent em.
The LMA has some amazing flacs from some amazing recorders.
Yeah if you have the space I'd go FLAC
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
#22136472 - 08/24/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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fuller sound on FLAC. not even a debate.
great for classical music. pump that shit to max volume and actually HEAR the production of the piece! whoa!
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akira_akuma said: fuller sound on FLAC. not even a debate.
great for classical music. pump that shit to max volume and actually HEAR the production of the piece! whoa!
Yeah anyone who says they don't notice a difference has really shitty ears or is just being stubborn.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
#22136485 - 08/24/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just cleaned out 300 gigs on my computer yesterday so I have a bit of space to fill 
My phone which is my main portable music device is only 32 gigs though and a lot of that is pre filled. Hence why I try to just have 1 or 2 flac shows on it.
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musiclover420 said: I just cleaned out 300 gigs on my computer yesterday so I have a bit of space to fill 
My phone which is my main portable music device is only 32 gigs though and a lot of that is pre filled. Hence why I try to just have 1 or 2 flac shows on it.
Gotcha. If you're really concerned about listening to good music (on the go) you might want to invest in a cheap portable headphone amp and some decent headphones/earbuds. I typically only listen to full albums so if I were you I'd download a shit load of shit and just get a good 10-30 album rotation going and change it when you get bored.
If you have this plugged into your phone/PMP and some decent headphones listening to FLAC it'll blow you away.
http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-E6-Portable-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B005HJWWW8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440457570&sr=8-1&keywords=headphone+amp&pebp=1440457572345&perid=0QM68E1TP8NJQ6MVKRTK
I use these headphones, though you can find kick-ass earbuds for probably $30-50.
http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-80-Studio-Headphones-Black/dp/B0016MNAAI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1440457613&sr=8-3&keywords=beyer+dynamic+80ohm
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
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akira_akuma said: fuller sound on FLAC. not even a debate.
great for classical music. pump that shit to max volume and actually HEAR the production of the piece! whoa!
Yeah anyone who says they don't notice a difference has really shitty ears or is just being stubborn.
the way i put it is there is less gaps in the waveforms (producing better sound AND...) and more space between these sounds (via more waveform of silence) providing a larger backdrop for the sounds of whatever you're listening to.
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
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I have a nice pair of headphones I have had for a couple years now, I feel like they have gotten a bit quieter over the years but they still sound great.
I almost got a headphone amp awhile back but decided I don't need it. My phone does a pretty good job actually compared to my old ipod anyways.
I actually almost got those headphones but went with a different pair that was a bit louder and had a more solid build.
At times I regretted not getting the Beyers as they were really comfy and the main downside of the set I got is it gets uncomfortable after awhile.
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akira_akuma said: fuller sound on FLAC. not even a debate.
great for classical music. pump that shit to max volume and actually HEAR the production of the piece! whoa!
Yeah anyone who says they don't notice a difference has really shitty ears or is just being stubborn.
the way i put it is there is less gaps in the waveforms (producing better sound AND...) and more space between these sounds (via more waveform of silence) providing a larger backdrop for the sounds of whatever you're listening to.
I have a degree in the field so I'm pretty well versed
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musiclover420 said: I have a nice pair of headphones I have had for a couple years now, I feel like they have gotten a bit quieter over the years but they still sound great.
I almost got a headphone amp awhile back but decided I don't need it. My phone does a pretty good job actually compared to my old ipod anyways.
I actually almost got those headphones but went with a different pair that was a bit louder and had a more solid build.
At times I regretted not getting the Beyers as they were really comfy and the main downside of the set I got is it gets uncomfortable after awhile.
The beyer's are like having an angel's puffy vagina sitting on your ears all day. So comfortable, though in the heat they can be a little much. I also got them for like $99 with a 3-year replacement plan - some insane unlisted deal at Guitar Center that I think was an error It depends on what PMP/phone you have but typically an amp will almost always be beneficial - depends on the resistance in the headphones. 80ohm's can be powered for the most part by a PMP but will benefit volume-wise from an amp, 250ohm headphones on the other hand would really struggle without an amp.
What media player do you use?
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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See if you can tell the difference.
In the audio world "FLAC vs. mp3" is like wine debate. Everyone claims one format is WAY better, but under blinded conditions, people get it wrong all the time. I don't think there are a whole lot of data to suggest people can actually tell the difference between something like kbps and FLAC.
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: badchad]
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badchad said: See if you can tell the difference.
In the audio world "FLAC vs. mp3" is like wine debate. Everyone claims one format is WAY better, but under blinded conditions, people get it wrong all the time.
Depends how blind of a test that actually is. If one is actually FLAC and one is actually MP3. Certain MP3 encoding methods are also leaps and bounds above others - LAME for example is a great encoding system in terms of MP3. Depends what you listen to it with as well. Also greatly depends on the music. Newer music is recorded with much more clarity (digital) than older stuff, and the differences aren't as obvious. A crappy MP3 rip of an analog recording sounds awful, and the first thing I notice on that test is JAY-z which of course was recorded digitally. I'll try the test out. It is not so much like a wine debate in that there are plain physics behind the argument, a FLAC file DOES contain more bits of data than MP3 - that can't be argued.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
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On my phone I just use the music app it came with, I downloaded another one to use for FLACs but then I realized the main would could too and has a neater format.
On my computer I use a lot of things, I will stream shows off the archive or youtube a lot. I have used windows media player a fair amount and VLC for flac's.
That is a great score for 99$! They were like 200$ at guitar center when I was checking em out, went with a different pair for the same price.
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I also have a cheap pair of Boes I need a new cord for which I snagged super cheap from some shady bro in his car outside a grocery store
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I have a degree in the field so I'm pretty well versed
well, was i even close?
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musiclover420 said: On my phone I just use the music app it came with, I downloaded another one to use for FLACs but then I realized the main would could too and has a neater format.
On my computer I use a lot of things, I will stream shows off the archive or youtube a lot. I have used windows media player a fair amount and VLC for flac's.
That is a great score for 99$! They were like 200$ at guitar center when I was checking em out, went with a different pair for the same price.
Believe it is this set: Allen and Heath XONE XD2-53 Professional
I also have a cheap pair of Boes I need a new cord for which I snagged super cheap from some shady bro in his car outside a grocery store 
Lol. For me all that matters with headphones is comfort and decent sound - I'm not an audiophile in the least but I do know what I like my music to sound like. If you know how to solder replacing cords is easy. Yeah I think Guitar Center had a mistake in their system - it was an insane deal.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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well, was i even close? 
Pretty much I gave an explanation with the graph a few posts above yours if you wanna check it out.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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If I'm going to rip or download albums I'll usually go FLAC if it's an option. I can always make mp3s from them if needed. Storage space for music isn't generally a big issue for me.
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
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pfxtc said: A crappy MP3 rip of an analog recording sounds awful, and the first thing I notice on that test is JAY-z which of course was recorded digitally. I'll try the test out. It is not so much like a wine debate in that there are plain physics behind the argument, a FLAC file DOES contain more bits of data than MP3 - that can't be argued.
Totally agree that a FLAC file contains more data. What I'm curious about is whether people can actually hear the difference.
There are certainly studies like this that demonstrate even among well-trained listeners (e.g., sound engineers and artists) they can't tell the difference between decent mp3 (e.g., 256 and 328 kbps) and CD sound.
I think other factors make a bigger difference, for example, even in the test above your laptops DAC is attempting to optimize the low bit rate files.
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pfxtc said: A crappy MP3 rip of an analog recording sounds awful, and the first thing I notice on that test is JAY-z which of course was recorded digitally. I'll try the test out. It is not so much like a wine debate in that there are plain physics behind the argument, a FLAC file DOES contain more bits of data than MP3 - that can't be argued.
Totally agree that a FLAC file contains more data. What I'm curious about is whether people can actually hear the difference.
There are certainly studies like this that demonstrate even among well-trained listeners (e.g., sound engineers and artists) they can't tell the difference between decent mp3 (e.g., 256 and 328 kbps) and CD sound.
I think other factors make a bigger difference, for example, even in the test above your laptops DAC is attempting to optimize the low bit rate files.
You're pretty much spot on - I mean I might fail a few things on that test, but I'll tell you that if I listen to a 256kb song and a FLAC I can absolutely hear the difference, especially in my car with the huge amp. Perhaps it's some type of placebo, but IDK. I would also like to say that I don't listen to any of the songs in that test on a regular basis. I don't know what they might typically sound like. I've listened to songs I've heard 1000's of times on MP3 and then played the on FLAC and it was literally NIGHT and DAY in terms of clarity/quality.
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Yeah, maybe I'm biased. I'm not even that impressed by Super Audio CD or the various "DVD audio" and ultra-high bitrate music I've heard. Maybe with training people can increase their ability as well.
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Well it's kind of like astronomy I'm sure. An experienced stargazer will see much dimmer detail and objects than a 'newbie'. Someone looking at M13 for the first time might see a blurry blob and someone experienced person will see individual stars clearly.
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well, was i even close? 
Pretty much I gave an explanation with the graph a few posts above yours if you wanna check it out.
i've seen teh graph and i'm just not very good at getting (or at least defining for myself) the technical aspects of it, but cool that i was pretty much close on point. i came up with all that by just, you know, listening. but i was certain though! that's what i hear... the backdrop of silence is one of the most appealing things to me about lossless files... you can put the volume FULL BLAST and nothing becomes lessened in it's quality of sound, if anything it only becomes MORE clear, because of the backdrop or empty space hitting up against (lol my terminology) the sounds in their full clarity...it's awesome. so glad i switched!
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I am going on a CRB flac binge, sounds so damn good.
They groove exceptionally though of course,I may just start archiving their shows instead of flacs in general just kidding, kind of.
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Exactly, not a lot of people realize that the silence can be just as much a part of music as the notes being played. You especially notice this on silent passages on vinyl records. I love hearing the silence of the needle dragging across the vinyl
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They groove exceptionally though of course,I may just start archiving their shows instead of flacs in general just kidding, kind of.
I've had a hard time finding flac in recent years, or at least good stuff, I listen to a lot of hard to find recordings though. I like vinyl because I can get exactly what I want, whether it be mono or stereo, 1st or 2nd mastering, etc.
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in-fucking-deed!
silence IS MUSIC. perhaps, some hypothesize, even more than than the sounds of instruments. after all, the calculations that go into arranging sounds into music are all due to the spaces in-between them, eh? so, hell to the yes.
and vinyl is awesome. vinyl on an analog stereo and amp is like the best sound ever, especially for older music...it makes it sound like the band is right in the room playing. nothing can top that, in my opinion, and plus, gee you lucky old people and hearing bands that sound live, right in your living room from the get-go, damn!
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My dad is a huge vinyl collector, I have some good stuff he gave me. 2 live floyd vinlys both of which are amazing, led zeppelin 4 and houses of the holy and physical graffiti. First two sabbath records, I got myself Jerry Garcias self titles album which is also amazing. I think there is actually 2 of em but I got the better one IMO. Uriah Heeps first album Demons and Wizards which is their best and has a beautiful cover.
If you want flacs check out the live music archive if you have not before: LMA
If you have never seen it before prepare yourself for a major crack out session 
Also here is where I am getting the chris robinson brotherhood flacs: bt.etree CRB
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in-fucking-deed!
silence IS MUSIC. perhaps, some hypothesize, even more than than the sounds of instruments. after all, the calculations that go into arranging sounds into music are all due to the spaces in-between them, eh? so, hell to the yes.
and vinyl is awesome. vinyl on an analog stereo and amp is like the best sound ever, especially for older music...it makes it sound like the band is right in the room playing. nothing can top that, in my opinion, and plus, gee you lucky old people and hearing bands that sound live, right in your living room from the get-go, damn!
Ask BB King about that - he played the silence better than any blues player. I have a turntable going into tube amp which just sounds redoncoulously good @ my house!
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I just started checking out bt.etree.org's full selection and wow. They have a bit over 25K torrents all of which are live concert FLAC's I believe
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indeed, King is awesome. and yikes, yes, dat setup!
i do not have such a setup, but maybe one day.
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musiclover420 said: My dad is a huge vinyl collector, I have some good stuff he gave me. 2 live floyd vinlys both of which are amazing, led zeppelin 4 and houses of the holy and physical graffiti. First two sabbath records, I got myself Jerry Garcias self titles album which is also amazing. I think there is actually 2 of em but I got the better one IMO. Uriah Heeps first album Demons and Wizards which is their best and has a beautiful cover.
If you want flacs check out the live music archive if you have not before: LMA
If you have never seen it before prepare yourself for a major crack out session 
Also here is where I am getting the chris robinson brotherhood flacs: bt.etree CRB
Lol yeah I am all over archive.org - best Dead music you can find anywhere. I've never heard of Chris Robinson.
I'd save I have 150 records, with no filler. All good stuff.
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I hate how whoever has the rights to the dead's music is so stingy with it though. Only allowing soundboard shows to be streamed and not even allowing commercially released shows to be streamed... They have so much good stuff on there though.
A turntable into a tube amp is a dank setup indeed, I have a tube amp but it is for guitar and that is all I use it with. Well besides keys. 150 records is a solid collection too, I never really got into collecting since I have never had a nice turntable. I prefer the ease of files. I have a PA system set up in my living room though which works pretty well for all my musical needs.
Here is one of my favorite Robinson Brotherhood tracks:
It's just so groovy, their keys player is amazing. As is the Robinson brothers guitar harmonies/ overall playing.
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Well in all honesty the Dead have the best soundboard policy of nearly any band ever. Pink Floyd sued people who tried to tape their shows and the Dead encouraged it, which I am forever 'grateful' for. I'll check that out thanks am always looking for new stuff.
edit: PS I like the song. Reminds me of the Allman Brothers almost.
Happiness for me is playing guitar along to my records
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indeed, King is awesome. and yikes, yes, dat setup!
i do not have such a setup, but maybe one day.
I got a tekniks-sl1200 turntable for like $300 and the tube amp was $180 I believe, I have a decent home receiver (digital though it don't matter) that it goes into and cambridge speakers with a 10" sub. cost like $800 for all of it and it is AMAZING.
I saw BB king in biloxi mississippi in 2010.. bad show, but it was great to see a legend live.
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I wonder if it was mostly Waters who was stingy with their stuff or if the whole band felt that way. At least they have some good quality recordings.
PULSE makes up for it all IMO, some of those early bootleggs are pretty great too. Some are not however 
I just wish they recorded their show with Zsppa better...
Just to warn you that video has an annoying outro right around the 6 minute mark it always gets me 
That setup sounds like it would sound amazing indeed, I have been wanting to look into getting a sub at some point. Then my life would be complete
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i find analog can go LOUDER, but other than that, there ain't really a big difference.
but yeah... all that for 800? tis not bad really. like i said, someday i'll make way to getting a nice set up like that. and believe me, i am certainly jealous. i'd love to get some old prog-rock or jazz records on vinyl, it'd just make them sound so damn good. or like some old school Dub records!
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I have this:
 which is all kinds of crazy live versions with Syd at the BBC. Bunch of 30 second takes of entire songs and weird crap that sounds amazing.
and a bootleg called 'How shall we sing in a foreign land?' which is a live cover of DSOTM, also amazing.

They have some AWESOME vinyl bootlegs though are typically $$$/hard to find but I buy as much as I can. I've heard Gilmour was quite the businessman as well - Floyd was always stingy with LIVE stuff though - I think they perhaps weren't confident or didn't feel it was 'their sound'.
A great sub is only like $150 - worth saving for 
LOL that '6 minute' part came on and I was like "what the FUCK is that" right while typing this. I liked that song, the keys were awesome - he was running them thru a wah I think, which is cool.
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but yeah... all that for 800? tis not bad really. like i said, someday i'll make way to getting a nice set up like that. and believe me, i am certainly jealous. i'd love to get some old prog-rock or jazz records on vinyl, it'd just make them sound so damn good. or like some old school Dub records! 
as long as the pre-amp is tube you basically get all the good 'tube-ness' and warmth you might expect. The main amp just amplifies the tube warmth (duh).
my best sounding record is a 200gram release of BOLD AS LOVE in Mono by Hendrix - I don't even like that record much but the quality is just absolutely amazing.
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Mhmm that is a nice floyd vinyl, well they both are. I love all their BBC session stuff, some amazing stuff and it is all pretty great quality to boot.
I just checked and I have this one on vinyl too: 
Here are my other favorites I mentioned: 
Here is my all time favorite early floyd bootleg: 
Such a good concert, so unique and crazy...
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Haha that's crazy you have it too. You need a turntable!
I've never heard Demons & Wizards. Definitely heard Man & Journey a fair share
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Wizards and Demons is pretty great, I love it but it gets a bit cheesy and times. Mainly cus of their singer, but he does a good job on most of it.
Definitely worth a listen if you like classic rock.
I have a turntable but it is a portable one and is not very nice so I never use it When I have more space and $ I will get one one day.
That is funny we both have it, I didn't even realize until I looked through my records to take some pictures it had been awhile.
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but yeah... all that for 800? tis not bad really. like i said, someday i'll make way to getting a nice set up like that. and believe me, i am certainly jealous. i'd love to get some old prog-rock or jazz records on vinyl, it'd just make them sound so damn good. or like some old school Dub records! 
as long as the pre-amp is tube you basically get all the good 'tube-ness' and warmth you might expect. The main amp just amplifies the tube warmth (duh).
my best sounding record is a 200gram release of BOLD AS LOVE in Mono by Hendrix - I don't even like that record much but the quality is just absolutely amazing.
ahhh i see...
Bold as Love probably is a real dope produced record. i mean, it's Jimi, studio extrodinaire. BRRRRRR!!!!! WAAHHHRAARHGHGGHGG!!!! WEEEEEEERRRR!!!!!!
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