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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: badchad]
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badchad said: See if you can tell the difference.
In the audio world "FLAC vs. mp3" is like wine debate. Everyone claims one format is WAY better, but under blinded conditions, people get it wrong all the time.
Depends how blind of a test that actually is. If one is actually FLAC and one is actually MP3. Certain MP3 encoding methods are also leaps and bounds above others - LAME for example is a great encoding system in terms of MP3. Depends what you listen to it with as well. Also greatly depends on the music. Newer music is recorded with much more clarity (digital) than older stuff, and the differences aren't as obvious. A crappy MP3 rip of an analog recording sounds awful, and the first thing I notice on that test is JAY-z which of course was recorded digitally. I'll try the test out. It is not so much like a wine debate in that there are plain physics behind the argument, a FLAC file DOES contain more bits of data than MP3 - that can't be argued.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
#22136576 - 08/24/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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On my phone I just use the music app it came with, I downloaded another one to use for FLACs but then I realized the main would could too and has a neater format.
On my computer I use a lot of things, I will stream shows off the archive or youtube a lot. I have used windows media player a fair amount and VLC for flac's.
That is a great score for 99$! They were like 200$ at guitar center when I was checking em out, went with a different pair for the same price.
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I also have a cheap pair of Boes I need a new cord for which I snagged super cheap from some shady bro in his car outside a grocery store
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I have a degree in the field so I'm pretty well versed
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musiclover420 said: On my phone I just use the music app it came with, I downloaded another one to use for FLACs but then I realized the main would could too and has a neater format.
On my computer I use a lot of things, I will stream shows off the archive or youtube a lot. I have used windows media player a fair amount and VLC for flac's.
That is a great score for 99$! They were like 200$ at guitar center when I was checking em out, went with a different pair for the same price.
Believe it is this set: Allen and Heath XONE XD2-53 Professional
I also have a cheap pair of Boes I need a new cord for which I snagged super cheap from some shady bro in his car outside a grocery store 
Lol. For me all that matters with headphones is comfort and decent sound - I'm not an audiophile in the least but I do know what I like my music to sound like. If you know how to solder replacing cords is easy. Yeah I think Guitar Center had a mistake in their system - it was an insane deal.
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I have a degree in the field so I'm pretty well versed
well, was i even close? 
Pretty much I gave an explanation with the graph a few posts above yours if you wanna check it out.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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If I'm going to rip or download albums I'll usually go FLAC if it's an option. I can always make mp3s from them if needed. Storage space for music isn't generally a big issue for me.
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
#22136605 - 08/24/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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pfxtc said: A crappy MP3 rip of an analog recording sounds awful, and the first thing I notice on that test is JAY-z which of course was recorded digitally. I'll try the test out. It is not so much like a wine debate in that there are plain physics behind the argument, a FLAC file DOES contain more bits of data than MP3 - that can't be argued.
Totally agree that a FLAC file contains more data. What I'm curious about is whether people can actually hear the difference.
There are certainly studies like this that demonstrate even among well-trained listeners (e.g., sound engineers and artists) they can't tell the difference between decent mp3 (e.g., 256 and 328 kbps) and CD sound.
I think other factors make a bigger difference, for example, even in the test above your laptops DAC is attempting to optimize the low bit rate files.
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: badchad]
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pfxtc said: A crappy MP3 rip of an analog recording sounds awful, and the first thing I notice on that test is JAY-z which of course was recorded digitally. I'll try the test out. It is not so much like a wine debate in that there are plain physics behind the argument, a FLAC file DOES contain more bits of data than MP3 - that can't be argued.
Totally agree that a FLAC file contains more data. What I'm curious about is whether people can actually hear the difference.
There are certainly studies like this that demonstrate even among well-trained listeners (e.g., sound engineers and artists) they can't tell the difference between decent mp3 (e.g., 256 and 328 kbps) and CD sound.
I think other factors make a bigger difference, for example, even in the test above your laptops DAC is attempting to optimize the low bit rate files.
You're pretty much spot on - I mean I might fail a few things on that test, but I'll tell you that if I listen to a 256kb song and a FLAC I can absolutely hear the difference, especially in my car with the huge amp. Perhaps it's some type of placebo, but IDK. I would also like to say that I don't listen to any of the songs in that test on a regular basis. I don't know what they might typically sound like. I've listened to songs I've heard 1000's of times on MP3 and then played the on FLAC and it was literally NIGHT and DAY in terms of clarity/quality.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
#22136642 - 08/24/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, maybe I'm biased. I'm not even that impressed by Super Audio CD or the various "DVD audio" and ultra-high bitrate music I've heard. Maybe with training people can increase their ability as well.
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: badchad]
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badchad said: Yeah, maybe I'm biased. I'm not even that impressed by Super Audio CD or the various "DVD audio" and ultra-high bitrate music I've heard. Maybe with training people can increase their ability as well.
Well it's kind of like astronomy I'm sure. An experienced stargazer will see much dimmer detail and objects than a 'newbie'. Someone looking at M13 for the first time might see a blurry blob and someone experienced person will see individual stars clearly.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
#22136668 - 08/24/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a degree in the field so I'm pretty well versed
well, was i even close? 
Pretty much I gave an explanation with the graph a few posts above yours if you wanna check it out.
i've seen teh graph and i'm just not very good at getting (or at least defining for myself) the technical aspects of it, but cool that i was pretty much close on point. i came up with all that by just, you know, listening. but i was certain though! that's what i hear... the backdrop of silence is one of the most appealing things to me about lossless files... you can put the volume FULL BLAST and nothing becomes lessened in it's quality of sound, if anything it only becomes MORE clear, because of the backdrop or empty space hitting up against (lol my terminology) the sounds in their full clarity...it's awesome. so glad i switched!
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
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I am going on a CRB flac binge, sounds so damn good.
They groove exceptionally though of course,I may just start archiving their shows instead of flacs in general just kidding, kind of.
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Exactly, not a lot of people realize that the silence can be just as much a part of music as the notes being played. You especially notice this on silent passages on vinyl records. I love hearing the silence of the needle dragging across the vinyl
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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musiclover420 said: I am going on a CRB flac binge, sounds so damn good.
They groove exceptionally though of course,I may just start archiving their shows instead of flacs in general just kidding, kind of.
I've had a hard time finding flac in recent years, or at least good stuff, I listen to a lot of hard to find recordings though. I like vinyl because I can get exactly what I want, whether it be mono or stereo, 1st or 2nd mastering, etc.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
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pfxtc said: Exactly, not a lot of people realize that the silence can be just as much a part of music as the notes being played. You especially notice this on silent passages on vinyl records. I love hearing the silence of the needle dragging across the vinyl 
in-fucking-deed!
silence IS MUSIC. perhaps, some hypothesize, even more than than the sounds of instruments. after all, the calculations that go into arranging sounds into music are all due to the spaces in-between them, eh? so, hell to the yes.
and vinyl is awesome. vinyl on an analog stereo and amp is like the best sound ever, especially for older music...it makes it sound like the band is right in the room playing. nothing can top that, in my opinion, and plus, gee you lucky old people and hearing bands that sound live, right in your living room from the get-go, damn!
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
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My dad is a huge vinyl collector, I have some good stuff he gave me. 2 live floyd vinlys both of which are amazing, led zeppelin 4 and houses of the holy and physical graffiti. First two sabbath records, I got myself Jerry Garcias self titles album which is also amazing. I think there is actually 2 of em but I got the better one IMO. Uriah Heeps first album Demons and Wizards which is their best and has a beautiful cover.
If you want flacs check out the live music archive if you have not before: LMA
If you have never seen it before prepare yourself for a major crack out session 
Also here is where I am getting the chris robinson brotherhood flacs: bt.etree CRB
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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pfxtc said: Exactly, not a lot of people realize that the silence can be just as much a part of music as the notes being played. You especially notice this on silent passages on vinyl records. I love hearing the silence of the needle dragging across the vinyl 
in-fucking-deed!
silence IS MUSIC. perhaps, some hypothesize, even more than than the sounds of instruments. after all, the calculations that go into arranging sounds into music are all due to the spaces in-between them, eh? so, hell to the yes.
and vinyl is awesome. vinyl on an analog stereo and amp is like the best sound ever, especially for older music...it makes it sound like the band is right in the room playing. nothing can top that, in my opinion, and plus, gee you lucky old people and hearing bands that sound live, right in your living room from the get-go, damn!
Ask BB King about that - he played the silence better than any blues player. I have a turntable going into tube amp which just sounds redoncoulously good @ my house!
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
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I just started checking out bt.etree.org's full selection and wow. They have a bit over 25K torrents all of which are live concert FLAC's I believe
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Re: FLAC's vs MP3 [Re: pfxtc]
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indeed, King is awesome. and yikes, yes, dat setup!
i do not have such a setup, but maybe one day.
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musiclover420 said: My dad is a huge vinyl collector, I have some good stuff he gave me. 2 live floyd vinlys both of which are amazing, led zeppelin 4 and houses of the holy and physical graffiti. First two sabbath records, I got myself Jerry Garcias self titles album which is also amazing. I think there is actually 2 of em but I got the better one IMO. Uriah Heeps first album Demons and Wizards which is their best and has a beautiful cover.
If you want flacs check out the live music archive if you have not before: LMA
If you have never seen it before prepare yourself for a major crack out session 
Also here is where I am getting the chris robinson brotherhood flacs: bt.etree CRB
Lol yeah I am all over archive.org - best Dead music you can find anywhere. I've never heard of Chris Robinson.
I'd save I have 150 records, with no filler. All good stuff.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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