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new2doinstuff
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tub liners
#22136317 - 08/24/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I read somewhere this was an OK idea, but side pins aren't that big of a deal, and even if the mushies spawn under the sub, it'll lift the sub, which i can just tip the bucket and pick. I guess it gives higher yields. What's the consensus on using one, vs not?
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you won't get higher yields either way, a sub will put out what it is capable of one way or another, a liner makes harvesting easy and keeps your tub clean, once you pick those bottom pins and put the tub back youtrap a lot ofmold spores in a great area for them to thrive
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Re: tub liners [Re: cronicr]
#22136355 - 08/24/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mmm i see. Trash bags it is then!
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new2doinstuff
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I want to make sure i understand the issue with corners.
I read 99boomerman's tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12609698
and i think they mean put tape between the bag and the liner (corners)? Someone mentioned something about newspaper, and about not cutting the bag because of tears when lifting it? slightly confusing post, but pre-sizing the bags to the outside of the tub makes sense to me.
Sorry if I ask too many questions. Only way to learn, for me. I generally have been looking for a tek before i post, but I wanted to make sure why I was doing what i was doing, and when, in a way I would understand it (i misinterpret a lot of things)
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I have a noob question to ask about liners so Ill add it here.. do you have to trim right down to the sub line or can you be a little sloppy when you trim it
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Cut it just slightly larger than you need. Tape it up. Add sub and spawn. Mix. Cut tape at sub level. Done.
It should not be taped to the tub when you're done, you want it to shrink with your sub.
Don't be sloppy with anything in this hobby. That line of thinking leads to lots of failure.
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new2doinstuff
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should it go to right under the holes? (mine are at 5in, will probably do it carefully with a utility blade) so about 4 1/2, even if my sub is only about 3 in?
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36fuckin5
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Cut it at sub level. Your sub should be no more than 1/2" below your holes.
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36fuckin5
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I see why you're confused, I said to cut the tape at the sub level. I meant cut the liner at sub level. Sorry.
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Re: tub liners [Re: cronicr]
#22136499 - 08/24/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: you won't get higher yields either way, a sub will put out what it is capable of one way or another, a liner makes harvesting easy and keeps your tub clean, once you pick those bottom pins and put the tub back youtrap a lot ofmold spores in a great area for them to thrive
So when someone fruits a block in a greenhouse on a rack and fruits all 6 sides of the it, the yield won't be any higher than if the same subs was top fruited in a tub or a tray?
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new2doinstuff
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Well, I just kind of.... PUT holes where i think they should go. following your advice, should I make sure the sub goes that high? my coco coir bricks and casing layer may not go up that high. the package on the coir says it expands to about 2-2 1/2 gallons. When i put water in there for that a mount just now, it came to less than the first set of holes i drilled (which i thought were too low at 3 inches) so I guess I should do 2 bricks each? I have almost an entire 8 quarts left before i reach these 5 inch holes.
will more sub, make more/stronger flushes?
edit; they're 66q.
I can post a pic, 8 quarts (i can add 2 more) would come within a 1/2 inch of the bottom holes, but they were low to begin with, i'm told... conundrum
Edited by new2doinstuff (08/24/15 05:18 PM)
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newrook
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Quote:
PinPornProducer said:
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cronicr said: you won't get higher yields either way, a sub will put out what it is capable of one way or another, a liner makes harvesting easy and keeps your tub clean, once you pick those bottom pins and put the tub back youtrap a lot ofmold spores in a great area for them to thrive
So when someone fruits a block in a greenhouse on a rack and fruits all 6 sides of the it, the yield won't be any higher than if the same subs was top fruited in a tub or a tray?
It might be faster at using up all of its nutrients but he did say one way or another ie: multiple flushes.
When I said sloppy I meant not anal retentive, but my sloppy could be different from your sloppy.
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Re: tub liners [Re: newrook]
#22136632 - 08/24/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hijacked...
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The closer to the sub level the better, so you should really be measuring where you place those holes.
Leaving some ears on your liner in the corners makes it easier to pull out for harvest.
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RickSanchezC137
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Didnt use liners but when i started mmmmm they are nice, reduce side pinning and keeps tubs waaaaay cleaner. I use really thin trashbags
Would suggest you try em to see if you like it or not i found i do
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Spitball's Monotub Tek, his "Adding a Liner" section is money.
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cronicr



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Quote:
PinPornProducer said:
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cronicr said: you won't get higher yields either way, a sub will put out what it is capable of one way or another, a liner makes harvesting easy and keeps your tub clean, once you pick those bottom pins and put the tub back youtrap a lot ofmold spores in a great area for them to thrive
So when someone fruits a block in a greenhouse on a rack and fruits all 6 sides of the it, the yield won't be any higher than if the same subs was top fruited in a tub or a tray?
nope
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Re: tub liners [Re: cronicr]
#22136834 - 08/24/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The way I understand it is you are cutting off fae from the bottom/sides of your sub. Sure if you don't use one you will get mushies on the side, and bottom, however those mushies will use valuable nutrition that otherwise would feed into just nice mushies on the top of the sub. Either way it seems like more of a mess than it is worth to just let them sprout wherever they feel like. I use clear painters plastic.
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new2doinstuff
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OK so as per the important part, [i'll post a pic in a sec] is being under 3 inches OK or should I double the substrate to meet the 5in holes? Pros/cons?
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new2doinstuff
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That line is 2 inches. 2 gallons. 1 brick of coir. The hole is at 3 inches until 4 inches. When people said 3 in of sub I redrilled the holes to leave that extra inch/half inch. The tape to the left and a little higher than the marker is the second hole at 4-5 in
Edited by new2doinstuff (08/24/15 07:06 PM)
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I stopped getting side pins after I started using proper liners.
I use a clear plastic drop cloth, 3-5 mil thick, you can get in paint section of hardware store for 5 bux and lines quite a few tubs
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I use black painter's plastic ...I think it's 3.5 mil thick...works great...I used to use trash bags... They tear and are annoying to say the least... This tek is what I used...shout out to "Dilated" for his tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21052836
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Re: tub liners [Re: Stuey1]
#22138183 - 08/24/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hey stuey!
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Re: tub liners [Re: cronicr]
#22138232 - 08/24/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What's up cron! I guess I could put my 2 cents in as well. I found when I'm cutting my liners to leave the corners. Makes it much easier to pull them come harvest time.
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Re: tub liners [Re: Stuey1]
#22138360 - 08/25/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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For my 66qt monos I cut a large black trash bag in half and then cut it 28" long. It fits perfectly with only having to trim the corners (if you want). It will support at 4" sub.
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new2doinstuff
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Did it.

How does this look? I measured with a measuring tape from hole to hole [down, across the bottom and back up] for 19 inches. Measured the long way up to the holes using the same method, 27 inches. Made a duct tape template by folding layered tape. Put it over the bag [uncut] and cut it. Ended up with two layers. 2 buckets 1 bag. Fits perfect. I once I put the sub in here. It'll pe perfect and I can trim it [I shouldn't need to
*** Are these corners ok? I suppose they'll get filled in and "stick" to the substrate. and how do I clean this properly? Just alcohol/peroxide the tub and liner? Can you premix the sub in a clean bucket after it cools?
Edit: this liner is very very thin. I probably will try not to disturb it at all [I hope dunking isn't a thing I need to do]
Edited by new2doinstuff (08/31/15 06:04 PM)
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new2doinstuff
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I just need to know if one side of a trash bag is thick enough and if I need to wipe down the tub/liner and with what
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cronicr



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yep and no need to wipe it down
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Re: tub liners [Re: cronicr]
#22170579 - 08/31/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK sweet! I just wasn't sure if most people took any precautions
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new2doinstuff
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One more thing. Can I mix the sub with the spawn in the bucket? I'm only using coco coir with no additives, im pretty broke and don't have much to add to it. I hope that's not an issue
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cronicr



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yeah why not
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Re: tub liners [Re: cronicr]
#22171312 - 08/31/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok. I was just asking because I wanted to make sure that I don't tear the liner (it's thin....) thank you! I will for SURE have pinporn, if it doesnt contam!
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