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Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition * 1
    #22135453 - 08/24/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, so the hurt in my butt has eased, and I have decided to reboot the election.
You can find the Official Campaign Thread here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22078947

You can find the Official Opinion Poll Thread here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22090950

This thread is for the candidates to debate the issues.  I will pose questions, and hopefully the candidates will answer them.

First question:  Drug Policy reform is a hot button issue, particularly on this forum.  We all know that the POTUS cannot unilaterally alter legislation, BUT, if you were given dictatorial power (think Caesar) how would you alter U.S. Drug Policy?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22135515 - 08/24/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would begin by working on poverty (example: giving every homeless person an abandoned house, making it legal to grow organic produce on city property, excusing all existing debt, etc.)

I would then make all drugs legal. Less poverty = less harder drug use

Any addicts (example: heroin) would be given a regulated dose with clean equipment of their habit to take the edge off and would be treated as patients in need of help rather than criminals.

EDIT: I don't think I'm a candidate of what you're talking about...but there is my answer lol


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 1
    #22135616 - 08/24/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Heh. I like your spirit but somehow I feel like eradicating poverty wouldn't be so simple.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22135623 - 08/24/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok, so the hurt in my butt has eased, and I have decided to reboot the election.  This thread is for the candidates to debate the issues.  I will pose questions, and hopefully the candidates will answer them.

First question:  Drug Policy reform is a hot button issue, particularly on this forum.  We all know that the POTUS cannot unilaterally alter legislation, BUT, if you were given dictatorial power (think Caesar) how would you alter U.S. Drug Policy?



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22135644 - 08/24/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ending poverty is easier to end than most people think



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 2
    #22135678 - 08/24/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

be that as it may, lets wait for questions about poverty before we break off onto that tangent.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22135700 - 08/24/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, I understand.
To be fair though, that was part of my answer about drugs :smile:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 1
    #22135749 - 08/24/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

duly noted. :wink:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22135787 - 08/24/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What happened to the old thread with the polls?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22135805 - 08/24/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Moved and :lockdance:...:shrug: . . . :peace:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22135926 - 08/24/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok, so the hurt in my butt has eased, and I have decided to reboot the election.  This thread is for the candidates to debate the issues.  I will pose questions, and hopefully the candidates will answer them.

First question:  Drug Policy reform is a hot button issue, particularly on this forum.  We all know that the POTUS cannot unilaterally alter legislation, BUT, if you were given dictatorial power (think Caesar) how would you alter U.S. Drug Policy?




I would go the route of Portugal and legalize everything while putting the "War on Drugs" money into rehab and health centers for people with actual addictions. Attendance would not be compulsory unless an individual committed a crime against another person while under the influence OR for the purpose of obtaining money or substances for their habit. I think most people who use any substance are capable of moderation and leading fully functional lives so people could attend if they feel they've become dependent or are self-medicating for mental health reasons.

I'd also invest more money into mental health care facilities to provide sliding scale or even subsidized care for citizens. I think there are many cases where individuals are abusing substances to deal with emotional issues. Sure, smoke weed, but here's a therapist to help talk the shit and a psychiatrist in case something a little stronger is needed.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: dionysiandame] * 1
    #22135939 - 08/24/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Decriminalize everything.

Spend the money you save from incarceration and invest it in rehabilitation.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #22135960 - 08/24/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Decriminalize nukes?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: dionysiandame] * 1
    #22135972 - 08/24/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck that shit.  The money goes back to the taxpayers and the idiots go to the gutters or soylent green.  It is no secret that shit is bad for you.  Everybody who does it knows it is.  They do it anyway.  Fuck 'em.  They made their bed.  Why should I pay for somebody to change their sheets?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22135974 - 08/24/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Decriminalize nukes?



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22135985 - 08/24/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Decriminalize nukes?



The people I'm most afraid of having nukes already have them
Might as well eh? :shrug:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 1
    #22135993 - 08/24/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Asante said:
Decriminalize nukes?



The people I'm most afraid of having nukes already have them
Might as well eh? :shrug:



Not me.  The pakis have proven themselves reasonably sane.  Iran?  They are fucking nutlogs


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 1
    #22136011 - 08/24/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, so here's where it gets tricky, with 2 questions, there may be some confusion as to which the candidates are answering.  Candidates, if there seems any ambiguity, please reference the question you are discussing. thank you.

Question two: Candidates, How do you feel about current levels of spending on the U.S. Military?  Would you increase, decrease, or hold steady those spending levels?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22136030 - 08/24/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok, so here's where it gets tricky, with 2 questions, there may be some confusion as to which the candidates are answering.  Candidates, if there seems any ambiguity, please reference the question you are discussing. thank you.

Question two: Candidates, How do you feel about current levels of spending on the U.S. Military?  Would you increase, decrease, or hold steady those spending levels?




No choice but to increase.

Russia tripled its budget, China is adding billions to it every year.

Iran are North Korea are getting nukes.

You can't fuck with that. If you don't keep up with the new military technology, someone else will...

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22136037 - 08/24/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hold steady.  We are all the world has and peace can only be had through strength.  They didn't call it the pax Americana for nothing.  I would like to see the feckless Euro cunts get more involved and there would be some real discussions there, especially with the Skandi freeloadeers.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22136055 - 08/24/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's unecessary and the world would benefit from a better use of the money such as taking care of the homeless and poverty stricken in our own country. I personally believe threats from other countries is just propaganda made to spread fear and think we must keep fighting these "threats". Just my opinion.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22136090 - 08/24/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You are childish.  Did you see what the three Americans did on the French train the other day?  Evil exists and to deny it is suicide.  There is nobody but us to stand in opposition.  Peace through strength.  There is no other path.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22136098 - 08/24/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You are childish.  Did you see what the three Americans did on the French train the other day?  Evil exists and to deny it is suicide.  There is nobody but us to stand in opposition.  Peace through strength.  There is no other path.



That's your opinion :hatsoff:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22136138 - 08/24/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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You are childish.  Did you see what the three Americans did on the French train the other day?  Evil exists and to deny it is suicide.  There is nobody but us to stand in opposition.  Peace through strength.  There is no other path.



That's your opinion :hatsoff:



It is my platform.  Which is what this thread is about.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22136141 - 08/24/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22136149 - 08/24/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was under the impression this thread was to state what WE would do. Not criticize what others would do. I will try to re-read the thread and make better sense of it.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22136781 - 08/24/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Question three: Guns are cool, but also dangerous. Candidates,  What role do you think guns should play in Our Society, and how should Gov't regulate them?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22136804 - 08/24/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Only convicted violent criminals, minors and certifiably insane people should be prevented from owning guns.  We need to do a better job of identifying the nuts..  We pretty much know who the hardcore criminals are but they get their guns by stealing them or through the black market.  They should be frisked every day.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22136932 - 08/24/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No regulations, they should have the right to have guns in public and private to be used only in self defence. Legality isn't going to stop a criminal from having a gun, only a good guy with a gun is.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22143543 - 08/25/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Question 4:Many people are worried about the rollbacks to campaign finance reform due to the Citizens United decision by SCOTUS.  If elected POTUS, would you support an amendment specifically excluding money as speech, an amendment specifically excluding corporations from some rights, both, or none?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22143588 - 08/25/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ah, the best government money can buy. Corporations should have no play in politics and any attempt to do so should be punished. When corporations can buy politics then the people's vote has no power. It's better explained here. But yes, I would support an amendment to exclude money as speech.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22143637 - 08/25/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

hmm... drug reform. 


Seriously If I were to legalize all drugs I would make it mandatory that those people be sterilized and unable to reproduce.  Then they could use all the drugs they want. if they kill themselves I dont care.

...OR I would just put all drug addicts to sleep.


yes I realize I would be one of those people being killed.  It would be to the benefit of society and it would significantly improve peoples overall quality of life.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22143690 - 08/25/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question 4:Many people are worried about the rollbacks to campaign finance reform due to the Citizens United decision by SCOTUS.  If elected POTUS, would you support an amendment specifically excluding money as speech, an amendment specifically excluding corporations from some rights, both, or none?




I would revoke Citizens United completely and also create a cap for donations to political parties by PACS and special interest groups. For "third parties" (Read non-major) I'd have a designated fund where a certain amount of money can be drawn down for the purpose of campaigning.So yes, even radical hate mongers and eco-terrorists could get their $250k to attempt to spread their message and drum up votes.

I would prefer a parliamentary style government and my reforms probably work better for that model, but I do think something needs to be done to stop the Democrat/Republican hegemony currently in place.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22143701 - 08/25/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question three: Guns are cool, but also dangerous. Candidates,  What role do you think guns should play in Our Society, and how should Gov't regulate them?





you could have guns, but we wouldnt have a need for guns. Dangerous people would think twice before they did anything. they would know there would be heavy consequences if they victimized others.  And crazy people would just be put to sleep immediately. there is no cure for crazy.  society doesnt know how to deal with them... yet.

Also suicide would be legal so anyone who was unhappy could kill themselves if they felt they were miserable. it wouldnt build up to the point they become so angry they go insane and kill others.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: sprinkles]
    #22143708 - 08/25/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol I'm sure people about to commit suicide are gonna go "oh wait...this is illegal, I can't do this."


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22143729 - 08/25/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question 4:Many people are worried about the rollbacks to campaign finance reform due to the Citizens United decision by SCOTUS.  If elected POTUS, would you support an amendment specifically excluding money as speech, an amendment specifically excluding corporations from some rights, both, or none?





All public service positions would be filled by normal people who werent narcissistic egomaniacs and wouldnt want those fucking jobs to begin with. but they'd be honored and obligated to do it.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22143741 - 08/25/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok, so here's where it gets tricky, with 2 questions, there may be some confusion as to which the candidates are answering.  Candidates, if there seems any ambiguity, please reference the question you are discussing. thank you.

Question two: Candidates, How do you feel about current levels of spending on the U.S. Military?  Would you increase, decrease, or hold steady those spending levels?




I would decrease the spending levels by eliminating no-bid contracts and actually opening the playing field up for competition; including international competition. We're allies with Germany, so if a German contractor can provide better tech at more reasonable prices than American firms than by all means; Guten tag.

I would also reform the way government spending is deployed; instead of a use it or lose it model, branches of the military would receive more funds for displaying efficiency and lack of waste. Ordering excess tanks and bases to be built that will be unused will lead to resources being cut as, obviously, those in charge are behaving rather hood-rich in their approach to spending.

Providing better physical and mental health care for existing troops and veterans, outfitting them with top notch gear, providing better housing, while cutting down on bureaucracy (It is possible. Maybe the DOD needs to be run by Scrum Masters) will result in more funding as it's proven that resources are being used wisely.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22143743 - 08/25/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

suicide would be 100% legal and humane. 

Anyone not having a good time here could leave whenever they pleased.  they wouldn't be made to stay & keep living to make other people happy.

when we die naturally our physical bodies fail.  sometimes that isnt the case and the brain is so unhealty it doesnt want to go on anymore.  That is just fine with me.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: sprinkles]
    #22143750 - 08/25/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question 4:Many people are worried about the rollbacks to campaign finance reform due to the Citizens United decision by SCOTUS.  If elected POTUS, would you support an amendment specifically excluding money as speech, an amendment specifically excluding corporations from some rights, both, or none?





All public service positions would be filled by normal people who werent narcissistic egomaniacs and wouldnt want those fucking jobs to begin with. but they'd be honored and obligated to do it.




I rather like the idea of lots being drawn. LOL! I forget where I read this but some Greek city states did this not only for the purpose of ostracizing but also to pick public officials. Every eligible citizen's social in a computational rand function.

It'd be like the world's worst jury duty. When/If your number is pulled? Well...it sucks to be you for a couple of years.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22143776 - 08/25/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that will never happen though. unfortunately.



They should stop paying politicians (most of them are rich anyway). It should be volunteer.  That way they arent wasting our fucking tax dollars debating and voting on how much to raise their own wages.  I pretty much wish they'd all just drop dead honestly.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: sprinkles]
    #22143803 - 08/25/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i would put 90% of america into concentration camps based on age and gender, leaving only the children to run free.  Only those who weren't old enough to go to school yet.  And then id let them grow up without outside influence and create a new world.  This should fix 99% of the issues that could be discussed, so i win all debates


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    #22144693 - 08/26/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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    #22146518 - 08/26/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Question 5: Some people contend that the invasion and annexation of Mexico would be a boon for both countries.  If elected, would you support invasion?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22146917 - 08/26/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question 4:Many people are worried about the rollbacks to campaign finance reform due to the Citizens United decision by SCOTUS.  If elected POTUS, would you support an amendment specifically excluding money as speech, an amendment specifically excluding corporations from some rights, both, or none?



McCain Feingold was an abomination rightly struck down, in part.  Some of it was left standing.

If you restrict the right of, say, Monsanto to run advocacy ads how can you allow the NY Times to exist?  Direct campaign contribution limits were upheld.  But that isn't what Citizens was about.  McCain Feingold basically said only newspapers could express political speech in a few months before an election.  That is insane.  The NY Times, for example, is essentially a pamphleteer for the Dems and socialists.  If you don't believe me read it.  I read it every day.  They suck Obama cock even deeper than Koods does.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22146922 - 08/26/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question 5: Some people contend that the invasion and annexation of Mexico would be a boon for both countries.  If elected, would you support invasion?



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22147256 - 08/26/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'd love to see Rand Paul win but there is no way that's happening thanks to Trump. A lot of the Anti-Establishment voters who want anyone other than a career politician are now backing Trump. I think a good portion of these people would have been drawn towards Rand if not for Donald. Rand Paul is the only candidate who seriously wants to end the drug war. He also wants to stay out of the middle east, bring home foreign aid, balance the budget, give congress term limits, and states their power back. Fuck you Donald! :mad2:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Magicman69]
    #22147289 - 08/26/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22147307 - 08/26/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just wanted to vent about a Primary that actually effects us. Carry on


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Magicman69]
    #22147371 - 08/26/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I plan to vote Shroomery Party next fall.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Magicman69]
    #22147405 - 08/26/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No.  I am the candidate who wants to end the drug war

2.  Term limits are not really democratic.  If the idiots want to keep voting for the same asshole we have to let them.

3.  If you don't get involved in the middle east it will get involved in you.  These monsters need to be beaten down once and for all.  Japan and Germany are no problem because we didn't fuck around

4.  Foreign aid doesn't amount to spit.  The problem is foreign profits ahich they will have to pay double taxation on if they repatriate them.  End the double taxation.  Hell, end corporate tax entirely.  Our tax code is a joke.

5.  What state powers do you want back?  Abortion?  Here's how I would restore states' rights.  The first thing I would do is abolish the Department of Education  There is no reason for that to be federal


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22147476 - 08/26/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think anyone (yes everyone) who does not mean any noticeable harm should be allowed to cross the borders with no questions or searches being done. Simply put, exploring the world is a human right regardless on where you come from.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22147527 - 08/26/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That is insane and rejected by every nation on earth.  And how do you determine whether anyone means no harm?  If they dress like they just came from a festival?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22147529 - 08/26/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question 5: Some people contend that the invasion and annexation of Mexico would be a boon for both countries.  If elected, would you support invasion?




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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Patlal]
    #22147534 - 08/26/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You are a Canuck.  You are not eligible.  You are, however, correct.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22147537 - 08/26/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That is insane and rejected by every nation on earth.  And how do you determine whether anyone means no harm?  If they dress like they just came from a festival?



Good thing I'm not every nation eh? And I never said if they meant no harm, I said if they don't mean any NOTICEABLE harm. If someone were crossing the border in a tank then yes, that would be a problem.


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    #22147547 - 08/26/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That is insane and rejected by every nation on earth.  And how do you determine whether anyone means no harm?  If they dress like they just came from a festival?



Good thing I'm not every nation eh? And I never said if they meant no harm, I said if they don't mean any NOTICEABLE harm. If someone were crossing the border in a tank then yes, that would be a problem.



Here's the good thing.  You aren't in charge of anything.  So you have no problem with seven lunatics entering the country each with a different part for a chemical weapon bomb?  Separately they are useless but together they are lethal and could kill thousands.  You down with that?


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    #22147550 - 08/26/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That is insane and rejected by every nation on earth.  And how do you determine whether anyone means no harm?  If they dress like they just came from a festival?



Good thing I'm not every nation eh? And I never said if they meant no harm, I said if they don't mean any NOTICEABLE harm. If someone were crossing the border in a tank then yes, that would be a problem.



Here's the good thing.  You aren't in charge of anything.  So you have no problem with seven lunatics entering the country each with a different part for a chemical weapon bomb?  Separately they are useless but together they are lethal and could kill thousands.  You down with that?



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22147556 - 08/26/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Magicman69]
    #22149507 - 08/26/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

why not ben carson?  rand paul is too small.  no one would take him seriously, ever.



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: sprinkles]
    #22149649 - 08/27/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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why not ben carson?  rand paul is too small.  no one would take him seriously, ever.



why not me?  :ifyoucanawe:



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22149779 - 08/27/15 02:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

An invasion and annexation of mexico would cause more than a few problems. The majority of big politicians in Mexico are corrupt and take bribes regularly. TO throw them all out of office would not work very well IMO.

Then there comes the economy of Mexico, which internationally is considered to be on par with the US. But there is a giant income gap from the majority of people to the few.

I want to be able to aid mexico to obtain a better living standard and defeat corruption. But the chances for that aren't too high because of existing corruption  in the government and constant displacement of people who want to change mexico.

There's quite a few rebel groups living in mexico who want to start a revolution in mexico. It would be likely. Mexico has went through 2 revolutions, the first for sovereignty and the second to end a dictatorship. It wouldn't be too far out to assume that there will be another. Especially considering mexico considered 54% of the country to be impoverished by their standards.

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    #22149980 - 08/27/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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An invasion and annexation of mexico would cause more than a few problems. The majority of big politicians in Mexico are corrupt and take bribes regularly. TO throw them all out of office would not work very well IMO.

Then there comes the economy of Mexico, which internationally is considered to be on par with the US. But there is a giant income gap from the majority of people to the few.




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I want to be able to aid mexico to obtain a better living standard and defeat corruption. But the chances for that aren't too high because of existing corruption  in the government and constant displacement of people who want to change mexico.




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There's quite a few rebel groups living in mexico who want to start a revolution in mexico. It would be likely. Mexico has went through 2 revolutions, the first for sovereignty and the second to end a dictatorship. It wouldn't be too far out to assume that there will be another. Especially considering mexico considered 54% of the country to be impoverished by their standards.

Sorry for coming in late, I never saw this thread.




The drug cartels run the country.  Good luck rebelling against them.

By the way this is the Primary for the Shroomery candidate.  It has nothing to do with the real world.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22151043 - 08/27/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I know, but he brought up issues :lol:

But according to the world economy, mexico is a first world country with less than 2% below the international poverty line that was set by the world bank. Although mexico itself states about 50% of the population is in poverty.

But the second richest person in the world lives in Mexico. A lot of the areas that are impoverished are based in rural communities.

Also, rebelling against the cartel wouldn't be the problem. While I do admit it'd probably be harder than solely from the government, plenty of Mexican Militias have actually protected small towns from cartels. The bigger cities police have also stopped the majority of cartel violence in some of Mexico's biggest cities.

But the government at the moment is inherently corrupt. Corruption does not last forever.

Also helping Mexico would benefit the US. Especially considering NAFTA is in effect. I mean the US sends so much money to the middle east when there is just as much violence happening right next to us.


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    #22151156 - 08/27/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We do not send that much money to the middle East and Mexico is deliberately fucking us by encouraging their olsers to invade


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    #22151220 - 08/27/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We've spent tons of money in the middle east since the gulf war! When not fighting directly, it would be funding insurgents. Then we had to clean up the mess we made. Nonstop cash flow to the middle east.

The mexican government has actually worked to stop a lot of illegal immigration. But they aren't encouraging any citizen to be an illegal in the US. If you're referring to the pamphlet that was published around 10 years ago, it was made to stop the loss of life and prevent drug smuggling.

A lot of the info in the pamphlet was how not to freeze to death if crossing rivers, not dying from dehydration. Even says not to use an immigrant smuggler, or carry packages for free passage. Also states the rights they have, so they are not mistreated.

The year before the pamphlet was published, more than 300 people died on the way to cross the border. The number is more likely around 500 though.

Human lives are much more important than the fact that they are illegal immigrants. Hell, the whole reason why nearly all drug forums(and erowid) exist is for preventive action. Just so someone doesn't do a stupid and die.


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    #22151257 - 08/27/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah the Mexican government works to stop immigration to Mexico.  Their immigration laws are far stricter than ours.  The country is an anarchistic shithole essentially run by criminals both in and out of government.


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    #22151309 - 08/27/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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An invasion and annexation of mexico would cause more than a few problems. The majority of big politicians in Mexico are corrupt and take bribes regularly. TO throw them all out of office would not work very well IMO.

Then there comes the economy of Mexico, which internationally is considered to be on par with the US.




Not even close.  Mexico GDP $1.3 trillion vs US GDP $18 trillion.

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    #22152567 - 08/27/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22152590 - 08/27/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We have nearly 20 trillion dollars in debt?  Would you like to tell me what the total amount of money we sent to the middle east is?


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    #22152603 - 08/27/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not a candidate, but i couldn't resist.



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    #22152621 - 08/27/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Aside from the fact that most of them aren't in the middle east I came up with about 7 billion total.

Do you know why we give Pakistan money?  And Egypt?


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    #22152627 - 08/27/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22152645 - 08/27/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No.  Pakistan?  Egypt and Israel got square over 30 years ago.


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    #22152650 - 08/27/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22152681 - 08/27/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Question 6: There's a ton of crazy people walkin around.  As POTUS, what measures would you promote to deal with this problem?


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    #22152706 - 08/27/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question 6: There's a ton of crazy people walkin around.  As POTUS, what measures would you promote to deal with this problem?



There isn't much POTUS can do except appoint judges who aren't legislating jackasses.  Generally I would leave most of them alone but anybody who expresses any violent tendencies, and the Virginia asshole did, spends at least a week in forced evaluation.  Sdaly this seems to have been deemed unconstitutional by some courts.


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    #22152743 - 08/27/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question 6: There's a ton of crazy people walkin around.  As POTUS, what measures would you promote to deal with this problem?



Free help? :shrug:
This just sort of ties into what I said earlier about legalizing drugs and helping eradicate poverty in my opinion. Main thing I have to worry about personally is someone stealing my stuff, usually to support a drug habit.


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    #22152756 - 08/27/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22152767 - 08/27/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question 6: There's a ton of crazy people walkin around.  As POTUS, what measures would you promote to deal with this problem?





seriously?  next question please.



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    #22152778 - 08/27/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, you're fired. 


FREE help?  So, you want your tax dollars going to help crazy people huh?  when they will always be crazy no matter how much money you throw at them? you cant cure them.  But by all means, you go donate your paychecks and see what difference it makes.  LOL


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    #22152790 - 08/27/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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yeah, you're fired. 


FREE help?  So, you want your tax dollars going to help crazy people huh?  when they will always be crazy no matter how much money you throw at them? you cant cure them.  But by all means, you go donate your paychecks and see what difference it makes.  LOL


Death is the only cure for crazy.  Just ask Bill.



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    #22152792 - 08/27/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

jeez sprinkles, i was trying to throw you some batting practice with that one.
FINE!

Question 7: Though there is disagreement on exactly how to change it, both major parties agree that the corporate tax code is garbage.  How would you like to see corporate taxes changed?


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    #22152806 - 08/27/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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jeez sprinkles, i was trying to throw you some batting practice with that one.
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Question 7: Though there is disagreement on exactly how to change it, both major parties agree that the corporate tax code is garbage.  How would you like to see corporate taxes changed?



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    #22152842 - 08/27/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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jeez sprinkles, i was trying to throw you some batting practice with that one.
FINE!

Question 7: Though there is disagreement on exactly how to change it, both major parties agree that the corporate tax code is garbage.  How would you like to see corporate taxes changed?



End them.  Make it all income tax.  That will elimate the biggest mechanism of crony capitalism.  And fuck that carried interest crap for Wall Street managers.  Whatever you make gets taxed just like the rest of us.


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    #22152844 - 08/27/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22152883 - 08/27/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I resign, I'm not educated enough on this topic to give an answer. :kummeli:


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    #22152934 - 08/27/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Question 6: There's a ton of crazy people walkin around.  As POTUS, what measures would you promote to deal with this problem?





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    #22158808 - 08/28/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22159023 - 08/29/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ending poverty is easier to end than most people think






why should those worthless bums get a McMansion?


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Ok, so the hurt in my butt has eased, and I have decided to reboot the election.  This thread is for the candidates to debate the issues.  I will pose questions, and hopefully the candidates will answer them.

First question:  Drug Policy reform is a hot button issue, particularly on this forum.  We all know that the POTUS cannot unilaterally alter legislation, BUT, if you were given dictatorial power (think Caesar) how would you alter U.S. Drug Policy?



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Why shouldn't they have a house?
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why should those worthless bums get a McMansion?



Why shouldn't they have a house?
It's just saying what they could've got, not that they should have a $600,000 house.




because houses dont grow on trees? well not all of the house, just most of it does but fuck them


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Ending poverty is easier to end than most people think






why should those worthless bums get a McMansion?



Why shouldn't they have a house?
It's just saying what they could've got, not that they should have a $600,000 house.




because houses dont grow on trees? well not all of the house, just most of it does but fuck them



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22159056 - 08/29/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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because houses dont grow on trees? well not all of the house, just most of it does but fuck them



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Then lets give them one of the abandoned houses since there's enough of those to give them 4





let's pack them all into one house and then burn it. homeless problem is taken care of


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22159059 - 08/29/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22159131 - 08/29/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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let's pack them all into one house and then burn it. homeless problem is taken care of




You don't have to give them houses, you just have to promise them houses.  Corner the homeless vote.  They don't have anything better to do on election day anyway.  Think about it, in a decade or two, the homeless demographic might be big enough to swing it.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22159867 - 08/29/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Then lets give them one of the abandoned houses since there's enough of those to give them 4




I got a better idea.  Let's not give anybody anything.  Make them work if they are able.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22159879 - 08/29/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Then lets give them one of the abandoned houses since there's enough of those to give them 4




I got a better idea.  Let's not give anybody anything.  Make them work if they are able.



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22159892 - 08/29/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22159920 - 08/29/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

what about the people who can't do anything, if your not giving anybody anything then the streets are going to fill up with useless bodys, it'll be like millions of baby birds screaming for their mother to feed them, but the mother never comes, and then they fall out of there nest and break a wing or a leg, and then it'll look like a factory farm for chickens with parts all over blood everywhere, feces everywhere, and then when you get questioned on it you just say they are cage free people healthy and organic?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22159946 - 08/29/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Even quadriplegics can do something.  See Stephen Hawking.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22159961 - 08/29/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the only reason he did anything after becoming quadriplegic is because he was a millionair.  if he was in a nursing home he wouldn't have anybody to read him books, he wouldn't have any of that technology that makes him functional, ect ect.  he's basically a key example of why people do need things given to them


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22159971 - 08/29/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the only reason he did anything after becoming quadriplegic is because he was a millionair.  if he was in a nursing home he wouldn't have anybody to read him books, he wouldn't have any of that technology that makes him functional, ect ect.  he's basically a key example of why people do need things given to them



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22160033 - 08/29/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If he was a millionaire he didn't need anything given to him, did he?  My point is that everybody, even quadriplegics, can be put to use for their benefits.  Do you know who objects to that the most?  Unions.  The most vocal objections to workfare came from public sector unions.  Because they are protectionsit leeches.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22160038 - 08/29/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If he was a millionaire he didn't need anything given to him, did he?



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22160045 - 08/29/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22160838 - 08/29/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A lot of homeless people are people who are mentally ill(30-40% of single homeless people) and 10-15% if they are homeless with their family.

Not to mention a lot of homeless people are homeless because they got extremely sick or severely injured and it threw them into a downward spiral.

I've met and talked to quite a bit of homeless people around my area. They are some of the nicest people I have ever talked to. The majority of them go around collecting cans so they can buy their next meal so they don't starve.

In my city, it's very common for homeless people to beg. They are people, a lot of times severely in need of help.

There are tons of abandoned buildings and houses that all across the US. We could hire homeless people to fix up these abandoned houses, ad in turn they get a house themselves. They work, get a home, and a lot of times can get their life back together.

But we should also help those with mental illness problems. It's a shame that we ignore the people who need our help the most.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Achillita]
    #22160963 - 08/29/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They are homeless because they won't go to the shelter because the other homeless who do are fucking assholes.  Which has nothing to do with the fact that if I ran a homeless shelter there would be no paid cleaning or cooking staff.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22161664 - 08/29/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you should check out how phoenix az. saved the city a ton of money on the homeless problem


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22161750 - 08/29/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22162688 - 08/29/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's a good thing you asked, because i was misremembering. The story was about Salt Lake City. :derp:  Nevertheless, i found some more stories, and one of them is even about Phoenix


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Handing mentally ill substance abusers the keys to a new place may sound like an example of wasteful government spending. But it turned out to be the opposite: over time, Housing First has saved the government money. Homeless people are not cheap to take care of. The cost of shelters, emergency-room visits, ambulances, police, and so on quickly piles up. Lloyd Pendleton, the director of Utah’s Homeless Task Force, told me of one individual whose care one year cost nearly a million dollars, and said that, with the traditional approach, the average chronically homeless person used to cost Salt Lake City more than twenty thousand dollars a year. Putting someone into permanent housing costs the state just eight thousand dollars, and that’s after you include the cost of the case managers who work with the formerly homeless to help them adjust. The same is true elsewhere. A Colorado study found that the average homeless person cost the state forty-three thousand dollars a year, while housing that person would cost just seventeen thousand dollars.

Housing First isn’t just cost-effective. It’s more effective, period. The old model assumed that before you could put people into permanent homes you had to deal with their underlying issues—get them to stop drinking, take their medication, and so on. Otherwise, it was thought, they’d end up back on the streets. But it’s ridiculously hard to get people to make such changes while they’re living in a shelter or on the street. “If you move people into permanent supportive housing first, and then give them help, it seems to work better,” Nan Roman, the president and C.E.O. of the National Alliance for Homelessness, told me. “It’s intuitive, in a way. People do better when they have stability.” Utah’s first pilot program placed seventeen people in homes scattered around Salt Lake City, and after twenty-two months not one of them was back on the streets. In the years since, the number of Utah’s chronically homeless has fallen by seventy-four per cent.





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Kelleher is one of 90 chronically homeless people who will have a home at the newly refurbished downtown Phoenix housing complex by next month. A third of the property's nearly 300 units will house the area's most desperate population, easing some of the strain on an overflow parking lot near the state Capitol where homeless people have congregated for the last three months.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/housing-first-homeless-charlotte_n_5022628.html
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It's cheaper to give homeless men and women a permanent place to live than to leave them on the streets.

That’s according to a study of an apartment complex for formerly homeless people in Charlotte, N.C., that found drastic savings on health care costs and incarceration.

Moore Place houses 85 chronically homeless adults, and was the subject of a study by the University of North Carolina Charlotte released on Monday. The study found that, in its first year, Moore Place tenants saved $1.8 million in health care costs, with 447 fewer emergency room visits (a 78 percent reduction) and 372 fewer days in the hospital (a 79 percent reduction).




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...Becky Kanis: The inability to tend to your basic healthcare needs, results in people on the streets ending up in emergency rooms and ending up in in-patient hospitalizations. And one night in the hospital is a whole month's rent on most places.

Anderson Cooper: So you're saying it's more expensive to allow a chronically homeless person to live on the streets than it is to actually subsidize an apartment for them?

Becky Kanis: Yes, we are paying more as taxpayers to walk past that person on the street and do nothing than we would be paying to just give them an apartment...

...Anderson Cooper: Is it fair to give somebody an apartment who's made bad choices and is being irresponsible?

Becky Kanis: I don't think fairness is the right way to look at it. What I would prefer to look at it is what's good for everybody. So having somebody on the streets, fair or not fair, is costing us as a society as taxpayers more than it would cost to have them in housing.

Anderson Cooper: It does seem like you're rewarding somebody though, who's-- you know, drinking or doing drugs or just being irresponsible.

Becky Kanis: I see it as giving them a second chance. And most people, given that second chance, do something about those behaviors...



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22162708 - 08/29/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Question 7: Though there is disagreement on exactly how to change it, both major parties agree that the corporate tax code is garbage.  How would you like to see corporate taxes changed?




Also,

Question 8: What do you think is the most effective way to create jobs? Not minimum wage jobs at Walmart; real jobs with wages that you could one day maybe buy a house with.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22163815 - 08/30/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Rein in the regulatory agencies and open oil exploration to finally become energy independent.  We do not need licensing for hair salons and barbers.  It is an anachronism.  And blow up the tax code.


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    #22163838 - 08/30/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Question 7: Though there is disagreement on exactly how to change it, both major parties agree that the corporate tax code is garbage.  How would you like to see corporate taxes changed?




Also,

Question 8: What do you think is the most effective way to create jobs? Not minimum wage jobs at Walmart; real jobs with wages that you could one day maybe buy a house with.




"What do you think is the most effective way to create job?"

Let more illegals in from all different third world nations, I was told that these people actually help the US economy, so more people that will take jobs away from US citizens and will eventually use every social service available to soak the taxpayer.

More unskilled people that can't speak English will create a massive amount of jobs, it will just happen because it happens.  :flowstone:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22163840 - 08/30/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We don't need oil, certainly not the amount to which has lead to our level of dependency.  Oil use should be supplemental at best.

The amount of environmental destruction that would result from opening up oil exploration here in the states would greatly outweigh any economical benefit.

Solar, high-tech hydo and other forms of energy production should be emphasized.  Anyone truly educated in the energy and environmental sectors will tell you exactly what I just said.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
    #22163915 - 08/30/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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We don't need oil, certainly not the amount to which has lead to our level of dependency.  Oil use should be supplemental at best.

The amount of environmental destruction that would result from opening up oil exploration here in the states would greatly outweigh any economical benefit.

Solar, high-tech hydo and other forms of energy production should be emphasized.  Anyone truly educated in the energy and environmental sectors will tell you exactly what I just said.



Tell me how efficacious solar energy will be in Maine.  In Winter.  Hydro?  We are demolishing dams these days because of the environmental havoc they wreak.  Electric cars are bullshit and the batteries are incredibly toxic to discard when they wear out.  Anybody educated in the field will tell you what I just said.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22165071 - 08/30/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ocean water turbines that use the power of waves and ocean currents to make electricity.

Set up all around the US' ocean, and we could power the whole United States.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Achillita]
    #22165652 - 08/30/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22165896 - 08/30/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Solar panels don't have to be set up in Maine to get the electricity to Maine. This applies for anywhere throughout the world.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22165903 - 08/30/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:picard:Yeah.  Solar panels in the Mojave desert are gonna be real useful to Maine.  There is a reason why electricity generation tends to be local.  It is called transportation cost


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22165911 - 08/30/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:picard:Yeah.  Solar panels in the Mojave desert are gonna be real useful to Maine.  There is a reason why electricity generation tends to be local.  It is called transportation cost



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22165949 - 08/30/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not wrong.  Solar panels are a novelty item in the North and can't come anywhere near meeting energy needs.  Then there is the loss inevitable in transmission.  Then there is the toxicity of the cells themselves which are eventually going to have to be replaced.  How are you going to heat your house in the winter when your solar panels are covered with 3 feet of snow?


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    #22165966 - 08/30/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not wrong.  Solar panels are a novelty item in the North and can't come anywhere near meeting energy needs.  Then there is the loss inevitable in transmission.  Then there is the toxicity of the cells themselves which are eventually going to have to be replaced.  How are you going to heat your house in the winter when your solar panels are covered with 3 feet of snow?



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    #22166372 - 08/30/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22166785 - 08/30/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not wrong. Solar panels are a novelty item in the North and can't come anywhere near meeting energy needs.




In the North-what? North Pole? Use wind gennies there.


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Then there is the loss inevitable in transmission.




Loss of transmission? Of electricity? That's why I use Tesla's AC patents instead of Edison's DC plans. I can run power for more than two miles using AC! Believe it!


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Then there is the toxicity of the cells themselves which are eventually going to have to be replaced.




Photovoltaic cells have a usual life span of 20-30 years, with a life expectancy on newer (and recyclable) panels going up to 40 years. To top that, we'd need to be running RTGs.

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How are you going to heat your house in the winter when your solar panels are covered with 3 feet of snow?




With my RTG providing the entire neighborhood with heat for the next 30 years. Or, integration of geothermal energies into the area.

Besides, with the planet already past the tipping point for [global climate destabilization], snow is not on my list of worries anytime soon.

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    #22167413 - 08/31/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not wrong.  Solar panels are a novelty item in the North and can't come anywhere near meeting energy needs.  Then there is the loss inevitable in transmission.  Then there is the toxicity of the cells themselves which are eventually going to have to be replaced.  How are you going to heat your house in the winter when your solar panels are covered with 3 feet of snow?




thats why you rig the solar panels with heaters and windshield wipers:obama:  problem solved, next question


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    #22167470 - 08/31/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

To recap, the question was: What is the best way to create decent jobs?  If you wish to contend that energy independence in some form is the best way, then thats cool.  Anyone else besides ZiG have any ideas?


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    #22167488 - 08/31/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The best jobs are ones that will always be around. The need or want for something must be constant, and supply must always keep up with demand with affordable pricing.

Off the top of my head;
I see food, diapers, fuel as needs.
I see food, cellphones, clothes as wants.

A stable job in this environment would seem to be food. Grocery stores, McDonald's, Super Walmart.


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    #22167506 - 08/31/15 02:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Have public colleges be free. Doing this will allow many americans to get a college degree and open up many job opportunities that aren't available to everyone.

Also, having renewable energy, funding biodegradable plastics, and encouraging such things to be made in the US should open quite a bit of jobs in our country.

There is no surefire way to create jobs that stick, but we need the citizens of the US to have both the education and opportunity to be a major contender in global trade and economy.

Working backwards to try and bring back work that has moved elsewhere will most likely not work the way we want it to, and could even hinder the US economy even more so. We need to become a global contender in energy producing technology.

Also, I think as a country we should fund Vertical farming, something that would be costly in the beginning but pay off in the long run. Hydroponics in a skyscraper format saves both water and nutrients that are not being absorbed. Certain recycling techniques can't cut production cost by a lot. Not to mention this will also create jobs, and provide food to people in large cities.


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    #22168087 - 08/31/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Have public colleges be free. Doing this will allow many americans to get a college degree and open up many job opportunities that aren't available to everyone.






Having more college educated people doesn't create more jobs, all it does it flood the job markets that need educated people.

Only a certain percentage of jobs really require a college education, at a certain point it becomes a huge mis-allocation of resources.


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    #22168795 - 08/31/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

College only creates jobs for people who work at colleges.


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    #22169384 - 08/31/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think that's entirely true ZiG.  That post was not up to your usual standards. Try again please.


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    #22169449 - 08/31/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The more people that are able to go to college without raising giant debts from student loans means that more money goes to the economy. It also allows more people to enter the intellectual work force and help us strive for better technology.

As a country, we can no longer try and go back in time to a time where factories and worker jobs were the mainstay of our economy. We need to strive to make technological advancements that benefit not only us, but the world.


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    #22169506 - 08/31/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If it was only that simple, which it isn't.  You only named three very well known forms of alternative energy while there is literally a plethora.

It's best just to not comment if you aren't actually informed on the subject.  Act your age, not your dick size, champ.


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    #22169521 - 08/31/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ZIG clearly should be elected el presidentay of the masses. 

He clearly knows absolutely everything about everything.  Who needs an advanced education when you have an armchair and an internet connection?

"I've been doing construction for 40 years!  Fuck all that objective, informed bullshit!"

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Achillita]
    #22169562 - 08/31/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The more people that are able to go to college without raising giant debts from student loans means that more money goes to the economy. It also allows more people to enter the intellectual work force and help us strive for better technology.

As a country, we can no longer try and go back in time to a time where factories and worker jobs were the mainstay of our economy. We need to strive to make technological advancements that benefit not only us, but the world.




The employment openings for innovation and technology are limited, there's only so much demand for "intellectual work", that doesn't change by creating more workers for that demand.


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    #22169595 - 08/31/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think that's entirely true ZiG.  That post was not up to your usual standards. Try again please.



How does it create any other job?  Create is not the same as train for and I would posit that they aren't doing very well in the training departent either.  A company either does or does not have a need for an employee and they aren't all that impressed with what they are getting these days anyway.  The only way colleges create jobs is by hiring people to wok for them.  The same is true of government bureaucracy.  Nothing is actualy prduced and yet millions of reasonably capable people are drawing a paycheck for bullshit.  Let me draw your attention to the tax code which runs tens of thousands of pages long.  I would not be the least bit surprised if there is close to a million people employed in the tax compliance industry.  I would like to see 90% of them in a productive line of work.  Bureaucracy is not a productive line of work.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22169624 - 08/31/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh sweet Jesus. 

I just about quit reading at "A company either does or does not have a need for an employee and they aren't all that impressed with what they are getting these days anyway." 

Where do you get a brush that big to paint so broadly?  Holy hell.  I won't even go into the fact that a business is not a static nor simple entity.  Wow.


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    #22169634 - 08/31/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If it was only that simple, which it isn't.  You only named three very well known forms of alternative energy while there is literally a plethora.

It's best just to not comment if you aren't actually informed on the subject.  Act your age, not your dick size, champ.



There are very few forms of tranposrtable and viable forms of energy.  You have energy from combustion and energy from storage.  The means of storage are even more toxic than the means of combustion, way more expensive and.

Solar is useless in the North.  It is a fact.  Wind?  We are too densely populated to put up anywhere near enough windmills.  I am actually intruged by geothermal but that will only heat and cool one house.

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    #22169640 - 08/31/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh sweet Jesus. 

I just about quit reading at "A company either does or does not have a need for an employee and they aren't all that impressed with what they are getting these days anyway." 

Where do you get a brush that big to paint so broadly?  Holy hell.  I won't even go into the fact that a business is not a static nor simple entity.  Wow.



Who said anything about it being static?  Do you think colleges create plumbing jobs?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22169649 - 08/31/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"As President I will throw the vast majority of our science budget into achieving fusion."

Good job on flip flopping there, just like a real politician.

Pretty sure you're on point, regardless.


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    #22169660 - 08/31/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't flip flop on anything.  I have been saying that for years and years.  It is the only hope for the human race.  The fossils are going to run out eventually but we do need them until WE GET FUSION!  If we don't we are fucked anyway.


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    #22169662 - 08/31/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

When you say a company either does or doesn't have a need for an employee, you're painting a very static, black and white picture of things.  I've never worked for a company who simply did or didn't have a need.  I've worked for companies that had to work within budgets, regardless of what they did or did not "need". 

The nature of business is one of constant flux, with needs, budgets and realities constantly changing.


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    #22169669 - 08/31/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Geo thermal energy provides electricity, not just heating a cooling. It pumps water into the earth, which turns the water to steam, which causes the steam to turn a generator and create electricity.

But geothermal energy isn't the most favorable in the a lot of the East coast. Just look at this link for more info on geothermal energy if you want http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/our-energy-choices/renewable-energy/how-geothermal-energy-works.html#bf-toc-2

Colleges give a lot of people the skill to work in jobs that require higher thinking and ingenuity. Working factory jobs most likely will not come back to the US, we need to stop trying to move back in time and bring them back.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
    #22169679 - 08/31/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

When they expand they need more employees and when they contract they need less employees.  This has exactly nothing to do with academia unless you are applying for a job in academia.  Tell me about the wonderful job market for newly minted lawyers that the colleges lie about.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22170830 - 08/31/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think that's entirely true ZiG.  That post was not up to your usual standards. Try again please.



How does it create any other job?  Create is not the same as train for and I would posit that they aren't doing very well in the training departent either.  A company either does or does not have a need for an employee and they aren't all that impressed with what they are getting these days anyway.  The only way colleges create jobs is by hiring people to wok for them.  The same is true of government bureaucracy.  Nothing is actualy prduced and yet millions of reasonably capable people are drawing a paycheck for bullshit.  Let me draw your attention to the tax code which runs tens of thousands of pages long.  I would not be the least bit surprised if there is close to a million people employed in the tax compliance industry.  I would like to see 90% of them in a productive line of work.  Bureaucracy is not a productive line of work.





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    #22176264 - 09/01/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hyperloops are pretty fuckin cool. some people (me) think it would be an awesome step forward for mobility if we had a national web of hyperloop routes, if only to move freight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop http://www.spacex.com/hyperloop

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    #22176941 - 09/02/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Question 9: Would you support a massive hyperloop infrastructure project?




I don't know about the hyper loop, but I gotta say, infrastructure projects are one of the ony government spending I enjoy. You can see the results, touch the results and use the result for years. Sure the building will be 25% overpricd due to fucking the government over, but that's how it is.

Other projects (paper projects I call them), I don't like. Every result are super indirect. Every politician defend them using correlation is causation statement, which is so extremely wrong.

I'll support anything infrastructure and everything that ends in -care. But I'll need to review the later before making a decision


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    #22177367 - 09/02/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited.  You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers.  The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money.  If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built


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    #22177406 - 09/02/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited.  You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers.  The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money.  If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built




Well, they are trying to get new funding at least. California just sold 27 million gallons of water to Nestle for 524$ last week.


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    #22177429 - 09/02/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Who the hell is talking about lawyers?  You would pick a field that obviously fits your opinion, but common sense tells ya (hopefully) that it doesn't speak for all.  Gotta do better than that buddy-row.

Speaking in generalities is a tell-tale sign of someone not willing to consider  perspectives outside of their own, which by their nature are incomplete and wrong.


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    #22177488 - 09/02/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited.  You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers.  The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money.  If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built




Well, they are trying to get new funding at least. California just sold 27 million gallons of water to Nestle for 524$ last week.



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    #22177507 - 09/02/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Who the hell is talking about lawyers?  You would pick a field that obviously fits your opinion, but common sense tells ya (hopefully) that it doesn't speak for all.  Gotta do better than that buddy-row.

Speaking in generalities is a tell-tale sign of someone not willing to consider  perspectives outside of their own, which by their nature are incomplete and wrong.



That was just one example and was, in fact, not a generality.  It was quite specific.  I would also ask how the new grievance studies and art history majors are doing in the job market.  And the new psychology and sociology and anthropolgy majors are doing.  You want me to go on about how many shit worthless degrees are being churned out by the academio-industrial complex?  I picked law because it is well known.

I would posit that at least half of the people attending college have no business being there and I would further posit that their retard presence is dragging down the quality of education for the people who do belong there.  If you are a moron and you go to college you will still be a moron when you leave.  But you might be a more  resentful moron.


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    #22177593 - 09/02/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Rediculous.

I definitely am not a supporter of the notion that going to college is a must.  In fact, I downright hate people who hold strong to that view.  But I'm not going to deny that a degree or some college is a bad thing.

If you're a "moron" and you go to college, at least you'll be a moron with a better skill set to apply in any way you choose.  It's never a bad thing and it opens up doors and that cannot be denied.  It hardly shuts them.  Only doors that shut are the ones you shut yourself and your views are full of them.  You suck at thinking. :heart:

Every post you make just brings up more generalities that don't hold a bit of water under criticism.  Just stop.  Guess I can't blame you though, because this is one of very few places BS like that will fly.  Take this BS into academia or a productive work environment and you'd be shutdown by a kid with an associates degree.  Then again, you're a carpenter (same here, among a billion other things), so it isn't as if this sort of line of thought is your money-maker.

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    #22177614 - 09/02/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited.  You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers.  The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money.  If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built




Well, they are trying to get new funding at least. California just sold 27 million gallons of water to Nestle for 524$ last week.



"Get new funding" is best translated as "Beg or steal"




Well, Cali is feeding half the country by itself, no wonder they're broke.


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    #22177639 - 09/02/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited.  You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers.  The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money.  If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built




Well, they are trying to get new funding at least. California just sold 27 million gallons of water to Nestle for 524$ last week.



"Get new funding" is best translated as "Beg or steal"




Well, Cali is feeding half the country by itself, no wonder they're broke.



No they aren't.  They are boutique water sucking indulgences like almoonds and wine.  Couple that with a massive drought and it is pretty clear they are most certainly not doing that.  They never should have had that much agriculture in the first place since most of the state is seriously devoid of water resources and the parts that aren't are inhospitable to agriculture.  The center of the country is the breadbasket and California only ranks at or near the top because it is huge.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177653 - 09/02/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited.  You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers.  The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money.  If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built





Comparing the current "high speed" rail boondoggle in California to a hyperloop goes beyond apples to oranges.  The proposed hyperloop, with it's first leg between L.A. and Las Vegas, could definitely support itself with ticket sales.  Even if it couldn't, neither can the airline industry (which has been heavily subsidized since day one).  Hyperloops would provide much greater mobility than any airplane could, and freight could move much faster with lower fuel costs (than trains).


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    #22177658 - 09/02/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Rediculous.

I definitely am not a supporter of the notion that going to college is a must.  In fact, I downright hate people who hold strong to that view.  But I'm not going to deny that a degree or some college is a bad thing.

If you're a "moron" and you go to college, at least you'll be a moron with a better skill set to apply in any way you choose.  It's never a bad thing and it opens up doors and that cannot be denied.  It hardly shuts them.  Only doors that shut are the ones you shut yourself and your views are full of them.  You suck at thinking. :heart:

Every post you make just brings up more generalities that don't hold a bit of water under criticism.  Just stop.  Guess I can't blame you though, because this is one of very few places BS like that will fly.  Take this BS into academia or a productive work environment and you'd be shutdown by a kid with an associates degree.  Then again, you're a carpenter (same here, among a billion other things), so it isn't as if this sort of line of thought is your money-maker.

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What skill set do morons achieve at great expense in college?  Not only is there a financial cost but there are also years of experience lost at things they might be much more suited for.  And then there are the douches in bullshit studies who are learning no skills at all except how to whine.

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177677 - 09/02/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited.  You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers.  The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money.  If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built





Comparing the current "high speed" rail boondoggle in California to a hyperloop goes beyond apples to oranges.  The proposed hyperloop, with it's first leg between L.A. and Las Vegas, could definitely support itself with ticket sales.  Even if it couldn't, neither can the airline industry (which has been heavily subsidized since day one).  Hyperloops would provide much greater mobility than any airplane could, and freight could move much faster with lower fuel costs (than trains).




How is the airline industry subsidized?  How does a fixed line provide more mobility than airtravel?  Are these not essentially pneumatic tubes that push little cars?  How is that significantly different from rail?  What is the environmental impact of having an elevated rail all over the place?  I also doubt Mr Musk's assessment of the cost.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177719 - 09/02/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/California/Publications/California_Ag_Statistics/2013cas-all.pdf
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California’s leading crops
remained fruits, nuts and vegetables. Over a
third of the country’s vegetables and two
-
thirds of the country’s fruits and nuts were
produced in California.




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Crop and Livestock Commodities in which California Leads the Nation

Almonds
Figs
Melons, Cantaloupe
Pluots
Apricots
Flowers, Bulbs
Melons, Honeydew
Pomegranates
Artichokes
Flowers, Cut
Milk
Raspberries
Asparagus
Flowers, Potted Plants
Nectarines
Rice, Sweet
Avocados
Garlic
Nursery, Bedding Plants
Safflower
Beans, Dry Lima
Grapes, Raisins
Nursery Crops
Seed,
Alfalfa
Beans, F.M. Snap
Grapes, Table
Olives
Seed, Bermuda Grass
Bedding/Garden Plants
Grapes, Wine
Onions, Dry
Seed, Ladino Clover
Broccoli
Greens, Mustard
Onions, Green
Seed, Vegetable and Flower
Brussels Sprouts
Hay, Alfalfa
Parsley
Spinach
Cabbage, Chinese
Herbs
Peaches, Clingstone
Squash
Carrots
Jojoba
Peaches, Freestone
Strawberries
Cauliflower
Kale
Pears, Bartlett
Tomatoes, F.M.
Celery
Kiwifruit
Peppers, Chile
Tomatoes, Processing
Chicory
Kumquats
Peppers, Bell
Triticale
Corn, Sweet
Lemons
Persimmons
Vegetables, Greenhouse
Cotton, American Pima
Lettuce, Head
Pigeons and Squabs
Vegetables, Oriental
Daikon
Lettuce, Leaf
Pistachios
Walnuts
Dates
Lettuce, Romaine
Plums
Watercress
Eggplant
Limes
Plums, Dried
Wild Rice
Escarole/Endive
Mandarins & Mandarin Hybrids
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    #22177726 - 09/02/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, they are trying to get new funding at least. California just sold 27 million gallons of water to Nestle for 524$ last week.



"Get new funding" is best translated as "Beg or steal"




Well, Cali is feeding half the country by itself, no wonder they're broke.



No they aren't.  They are boutique water sucking indulgences like almoonds and wine.  Couple that with a massive drought and it is pretty clear they are most certainly not doing that.  They never should have had that much agriculture in the first place since most of the state is seriously devoid of water resources and the parts that aren't are inhospitable to agriculture.  The center of the country is the breadbasket and California only ranks at or near the top because it is huge.




It's kinda funny. The state should have been swallowed by the pacific long ago, yet there are droughts everywhere.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177748 - 09/02/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/California/Publications/California_Ag_Statistics/2013cas-all.pdf
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California’s leading crops
remained fruits, nuts and vegetables. Over a
third of the country’s vegetables and two



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What part of because it is huge did you not understand

That is also from 2013.  The drought is getting very real.  From what I understand almonds are extremely water needy.  Who needs almonds?  It is their top crop


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177773 - 09/02/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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How is the airline industry subsidized? 




http://www.laane.org/downloads/ShortchangedStudy.pdf
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Developed and nurtured with taxpayer dollars, the
airline industry holds a special status in the United
States From the early days of flight up through the
early 1970s, the US government provided more
than $155 billion in direct support for the aviation
industry. Even after the industry was deregulated
in the 1970s, federal and local governments have
continued to play a crucial role in supporting the
industry by providing infrastructure support, tax
exemptions, and low-cost financing. The justification
given for the government’s investment in the
industry has been the crucial role the airlines play in
facilitating commerce, providing jobs, and bringing
the inhabitants of a vast continent closer together
More recently, the terrorist attacks of 9/11
brought financial devastation to the industry and
provided a compelling rationale for increased
government subsidies After 9/11, the federal
government not only provided the airlines with
billions in cash grants, but also increasingly took
on some of the economic risks associated with the
industry’s operations, by acting as the airlines’
insurer, providing loan guarantees, and taking
responsibility for airline employee pensions
Even after the industry returned to profitability in 2006
and 2007, it continued to benefit from some of
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177787 - 09/02/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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  The drought is getting very real. 




The drought is over. We have in-shore water temps approaching 80 degrees.  This winter is gonna break rainfall records.  El Nino to the max.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177799 - 09/02/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
How is the airline industry subsidized? 




http://www.laane.org/downloads/ShortchangedStudy.pdf
Quote:


Developed and nurtured with taxpayer dollars, the
airline industry holds a special status in the United
States From the early days of flight up through the
early 1970s, the US government provided more
than $155 billion in direct support for the aviation
industry. Even after the industry was deregulated
in the 1970s, federal and local governments have
continued to play a crucial role in supporting the
industry by providing infrastructure support, tax
exemptions, and low-cost financing. The justification
given for the government’s investment in the
industry has been the crucial role the airlines play in
facilitating commerce, providing jobs, and bringing
the inhabitants of a vast continent closer together
More recently, the terrorist attacks of 9/11
brought financial devastation to the industry and
provided a compelling rationale for increased
government subsidies After 9/11, the federal
government not only provided the airlines with
billions in cash grants, but also increasingly took
on some of the economic risks associated with the
industry’s operations, by acting as the airlines’
insurer, providing loan guarantees, and taking
responsibility for airline employee pensions
Even after the industry returned to profitability in 2006
and 2007, it continued to benefit from some of
these federal subsidies






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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177803 - 09/02/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
  The drought is getting very real. 




The drought is over. We have in-shore water temps approaching 80 degrees.  This winter is gonna break rainfall records.  El Nino to the max.



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177835 - 09/02/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It rained in august this year in L.A.
The drought is over.  Mark my words, we're gonna set records for rainfall and snowpack this year.


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    #22177839 - 09/02/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Uh huh


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    #22177880 - 09/02/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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40 years ago.  A loan guarantee is not a subsidy




Post 9/11

Cash Grants: 4.64 billion in taxpayer funds

Pension Bailouts: Pensions for 240000 airline employees assumed by federal corporation

War Risk Insurance: FAA took over from private sector role of providing War risk insurance after 9/11.  (~ 340 million per year in industry savings)

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    #22177887 - 09/02/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Uh huh




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    #22177897 - 09/02/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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40 years ago.  A loan guarantee is not a subsidy




Post 9/11

Cash Grants: 4.64 billion in taxpayer funds




Wasn't in your quote
Quote:



Pension Bailouts: Pensions for 240000 airline employees assumed by federal corporation


  That isn't for the airlines
Quote:



War Risk Insurance: FAA took over from private sector role of providing War risk insurance after 9/11.  (~ 340 million per year in industry savings)

Those are not loan guarantees




So they still pay for insurance but it just costs less?  How much does the airline industry pay in taxes?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177911 - 09/02/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Uh huh




I'll remind you of this conversation in december.  I'll be expecting some contrition.  :wink:



When did you become a meteorologist?  I'll believe it when I see it.

You and me are gonna be forever New York vs California.  By the way, upstate NY is a major agriculture area as well.  And Long Island.  Upstate would be better off if it was another state.  California would be better off if it split in two as well.


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    #22177958 - 09/02/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You and me are gonna be forever New York vs California.  By the way, upstate NY is a major agriculture area as well.  And Long Island.  Upstate would be better off if it was another state.  California would be better off if it split in two as well.




I have a ton of respect for The State of New York.  I think that our state's have common ground in being 2 of a very few contributing, non-deadweight states.  I disagree about splitting California in 2 though.  The North would be broke.  Besides, someone has to keep those middle of the state Okies in line.


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    #22177965 - 09/02/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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When did you become a meteorologist?  I'll believe it when I see it.





Every fisherman has a little meteorologist in them. (sounds dirty doesn't it?)
It comes with the territory.  The last time we had water conditions like this was 1997/98.  The yellowtail fishing was great, and the winter was wet as fuck.


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    #22177987 - 09/02/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

40 years ago.  A loan guarantee is not a subsidy




Post 9/11

Cash Grants: 4.64 billion in taxpayer funds




Wasn't in your quote
Quote:



Pension Bailouts: Pensions for 240000 airline employees assumed by federal corporation


  That isn't for the airlines
Quote:



War Risk Insurance: FAA took over from private sector role of providing War risk insurance after 9/11.  (~ 340 million per year in industry savings)

Those are not loan guarantees




So they still pay for insurance but it just costs less?  How much does the airline industry pay in taxes?




1.-the cash grants were referenced in the provided link.
2.-Assuming the pension liabilities of the airlines isn't for the airlines?
3.-They pay less for insurance because the Gov't provides it at lower cost that the private sector. Kinda like single payer health care. Why would that model be good for airlines, but bad for the population as a whole?  In either event, that certainly seems like a subsidy to me.
4.-i don't know what they pay in taxes, but i do know what tax exemptions they get in California. They have State and local sales tax exemptions on Jet Fuel. Estimated value of 800 million between 2005 and 2009


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22178014 - 09/02/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The Federal Gov't regulates commerce in several ways.  Some people say they should keep their grubby little paws out of the markets.  Others say that we need more regulation.  (environmental, financial, etc.)

Question 10: What role do you think the Federal Gov't should play in the economy?  (local, regional, national)


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    #22178059 - 09/02/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just national and interstate.  The Commerce Clause has been vastly overapplied.  Environment and finance are national realms.  I would like to see an end to many interstate commerce strictures, like health insurance.  I believe they took care of the banking thing a while ago.  I would prefer that the federal government forbid state regulations than require them.  I would also get rid of the federal Department of Education.  Those pinheads have caused more damage than can be measured


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22209924 - 09/08/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Only a few days left, and i'm going to make this the final question. walls of text are appropriate under such circumstances i would imagine.

Question 11: What sets you apart from any other candidate for POTUS? I don't just mean Shroomery Party candidates, but ALL candidates. As an example, why would you be a better choice than Trump? Or Hillary? Or Vermin Supreme?


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    #22211426 - 09/09/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I am not a power mad greed head who wants to parlay my time in office into huge bucks when I leave.  After one term.  Whatever I get done in my first term will be enough.  Trump and Hillary?  Fucking monsters.


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