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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177748 - 09/02/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/California/Publications/California_Ag_Statistics/2013cas-all.pdf
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California’s leading crops
remained fruits, nuts and vegetables. Over a
third of the country’s vegetables and two



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What part of because it is huge did you not understand

That is also from 2013.  The drought is getting very real.  From what I understand almonds are extremely water needy.  Who needs almonds?  It is their top crop


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177773 - 09/02/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
How is the airline industry subsidized? 




http://www.laane.org/downloads/ShortchangedStudy.pdf
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Developed and nurtured with taxpayer dollars, the
airline industry holds a special status in the United
States From the early days of flight up through the
early 1970s, the US government provided more
than $155 billion in direct support for the aviation
industry. Even after the industry was deregulated
in the 1970s, federal and local governments have
continued to play a crucial role in supporting the
industry by providing infrastructure support, tax
exemptions, and low-cost financing. The justification
given for the government’s investment in the
industry has been the crucial role the airlines play in
facilitating commerce, providing jobs, and bringing
the inhabitants of a vast continent closer together
More recently, the terrorist attacks of 9/11
brought financial devastation to the industry and
provided a compelling rationale for increased
government subsidies After 9/11, the federal
government not only provided the airlines with
billions in cash grants, but also increasingly took
on some of the economic risks associated with the
industry’s operations, by acting as the airlines’
insurer, providing loan guarantees, and taking
responsibility for airline employee pensions
Even after the industry returned to profitability in 2006
and 2007, it continued to benefit from some of
these federal subsidies




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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177787 - 09/02/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
  The drought is getting very real. 




The drought is over. We have in-shore water temps approaching 80 degrees.  This winter is gonna break rainfall records.  El Nino to the max.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177799 - 09/02/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
How is the airline industry subsidized? 




http://www.laane.org/downloads/ShortchangedStudy.pdf
Quote:


Developed and nurtured with taxpayer dollars, the
airline industry holds a special status in the United
States From the early days of flight up through the
early 1970s, the US government provided more
than $155 billion in direct support for the aviation
industry. Even after the industry was deregulated
in the 1970s, federal and local governments have
continued to play a crucial role in supporting the
industry by providing infrastructure support, tax
exemptions, and low-cost financing. The justification
given for the government’s investment in the
industry has been the crucial role the airlines play in
facilitating commerce, providing jobs, and bringing
the inhabitants of a vast continent closer together
More recently, the terrorist attacks of 9/11
brought financial devastation to the industry and
provided a compelling rationale for increased
government subsidies After 9/11, the federal
government not only provided the airlines with
billions in cash grants, but also increasingly took
on some of the economic risks associated with the
industry’s operations, by acting as the airlines’
insurer, providing loan guarantees, and taking
responsibility for airline employee pensions
Even after the industry returned to profitability in 2006
and 2007, it continued to benefit from some of
these federal subsidies






40 years ago.  A loan guarantee is not a subsidy


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177803 - 09/02/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
  The drought is getting very real. 




The drought is over. We have in-shore water temps approaching 80 degrees.  This winter is gonna break rainfall records.  El Nino to the max.



The drought is not over and California is drinking its groundwater milkshake at an ever increasing rate.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177835 - 09/02/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It rained in august this year in L.A.
The drought is over.  Mark my words, we're gonna set records for rainfall and snowpack this year.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177839 - 09/02/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Uh huh


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177880 - 09/02/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:

40 years ago.  A loan guarantee is not a subsidy




Post 9/11

Cash Grants: 4.64 billion in taxpayer funds

Pension Bailouts: Pensions for 240000 airline employees assumed by federal corporation

War Risk Insurance: FAA took over from private sector role of providing War risk insurance after 9/11.  (~ 340 million per year in industry savings)

Those are not loan guarantees


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177887 - 09/02/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Uh huh




I'll remind you of this conversation in december.  I'll be expecting some contrition.  :wink:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177897 - 09/02/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:

40 years ago.  A loan guarantee is not a subsidy




Post 9/11

Cash Grants: 4.64 billion in taxpayer funds




Wasn't in your quote
Quote:



Pension Bailouts: Pensions for 240000 airline employees assumed by federal corporation


  That isn't for the airlines
Quote:



War Risk Insurance: FAA took over from private sector role of providing War risk insurance after 9/11.  (~ 340 million per year in industry savings)

Those are not loan guarantees




So they still pay for insurance but it just costs less?  How much does the airline industry pay in taxes?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22177911 - 09/02/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Uh huh




I'll remind you of this conversation in december.  I'll be expecting some contrition.  :wink:



When did you become a meteorologist?  I'll believe it when I see it.

You and me are gonna be forever New York vs California.  By the way, upstate NY is a major agriculture area as well.  And Long Island.  Upstate would be better off if it was another state.  California would be better off if it split in two as well.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177958 - 09/02/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:

You and me are gonna be forever New York vs California.  By the way, upstate NY is a major agriculture area as well.  And Long Island.  Upstate would be better off if it was another state.  California would be better off if it split in two as well.




I have a ton of respect for The State of New York.  I think that our state's have common ground in being 2 of a very few contributing, non-deadweight states.  I disagree about splitting California in 2 though.  The North would be broke.  Besides, someone has to keep those middle of the state Okies in line.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177965 - 09/02/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

When did you become a meteorologist?  I'll believe it when I see it.





Every fisherman has a little meteorologist in them. (sounds dirty doesn't it?)
It comes with the territory.  The last time we had water conditions like this was 1997/98.  The yellowtail fishing was great, and the winter was wet as fuck.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22177987 - 09/02/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:

40 years ago.  A loan guarantee is not a subsidy




Post 9/11

Cash Grants: 4.64 billion in taxpayer funds




Wasn't in your quote
Quote:



Pension Bailouts: Pensions for 240000 airline employees assumed by federal corporation


  That isn't for the airlines
Quote:



War Risk Insurance: FAA took over from private sector role of providing War risk insurance after 9/11.  (~ 340 million per year in industry savings)

Those are not loan guarantees




So they still pay for insurance but it just costs less?  How much does the airline industry pay in taxes?




1.-the cash grants were referenced in the provided link.
2.-Assuming the pension liabilities of the airlines isn't for the airlines?
3.-They pay less for insurance because the Gov't provides it at lower cost that the private sector. Kinda like single payer health care. Why would that model be good for airlines, but bad for the population as a whole?  In either event, that certainly seems like a subsidy to me.
4.-i don't know what they pay in taxes, but i do know what tax exemptions they get in California. They have State and local sales tax exemptions on Jet Fuel. Estimated value of 800 million between 2005 and 2009


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22178014 - 09/02/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The Federal Gov't regulates commerce in several ways.  Some people say they should keep their grubby little paws out of the markets.  Others say that we need more regulation.  (environmental, financial, etc.)

Question 10: What role do you think the Federal Gov't should play in the economy?  (local, regional, national)


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22178059 - 09/02/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just national and interstate.  The Commerce Clause has been vastly overapplied.  Environment and finance are national realms.  I would like to see an end to many interstate commerce strictures, like health insurance.  I believe they took care of the banking thing a while ago.  I would prefer that the federal government forbid state regulations than require them.  I would also get rid of the federal Department of Education.  Those pinheads have caused more damage than can be measured


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22209924 - 09/08/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Only a few days left, and i'm going to make this the final question. walls of text are appropriate under such circumstances i would imagine.

Question 11: What sets you apart from any other candidate for POTUS? I don't just mean Shroomery Party candidates, but ALL candidates. As an example, why would you be a better choice than Trump? Or Hillary? Or Vermin Supreme?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22211426 - 09/09/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I am not a power mad greed head who wants to parlay my time in office into huge bucks when I leave.  After one term.  Whatever I get done in my first term will be enough.  Trump and Hillary?  Fucking monsters.


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