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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
#22169660 - 08/31/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't flip flop on anything. I have been saying that for years and years. It is the only hope for the human race. The fossils are going to run out eventually but we do need them until WE GET FUSION! If we don't we are fucked anyway.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
#22169662 - 08/31/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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When you say a company either does or doesn't have a need for an employee, you're painting a very static, black and white picture of things. I've never worked for a company who simply did or didn't have a need. I've worked for companies that had to work within budgets, regardless of what they did or did not "need".
The nature of business is one of constant flux, with needs, budgets and realities constantly changing.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
#22169669 - 08/31/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Geo thermal energy provides electricity, not just heating a cooling. It pumps water into the earth, which turns the water to steam, which causes the steam to turn a generator and create electricity.
But geothermal energy isn't the most favorable in the a lot of the East coast. Just look at this link for more info on geothermal energy if you want http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/our-energy-choices/renewable-energy/how-geothermal-energy-works.html#bf-toc-2
Colleges give a lot of people the skill to work in jobs that require higher thinking and ingenuity. Working factory jobs most likely will not come back to the US, we need to stop trying to move back in time and bring them back.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
#22169679 - 08/31/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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When they expand they need more employees and when they contract they need less employees. This has exactly nothing to do with academia unless you are applying for a job in academia. Tell me about the wonderful job market for newly minted lawyers that the colleges lie about.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
#22170830 - 08/31/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I don't think that's entirely true ZiG. That post was not up to your usual standards. Try again please.
How does it create any other job? Create is not the same as train for and I would posit that they aren't doing very well in the training departent either. A company either does or does not have a need for an employee and they aren't all that impressed with what they are getting these days anyway. The only way colleges create jobs is by hiring people to wok for them. The same is true of government bureaucracy. Nothing is actualy prduced and yet millions of reasonably capable people are drawing a paycheck for bullshit. Let me draw your attention to the tax code which runs tens of thousands of pages long. I would not be the least bit surprised if there is close to a million people employed in the tax compliance industry. I would like to see 90% of them in a productive line of work. Bureaucracy is not a productive line of work.
Ah, I see what you're saying now.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
#22176264 - 09/01/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hyperloops are pretty fuckin cool. some people (me) think it would be an awesome step forward for mobility if we had a national web of hyperloop routes, if only to move freight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop http://www.spacex.com/hyperloop
Question 9: Would you support a massive hyperloop infrastructure project?
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
#22176941 - 09/02/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Question 9: Would you support a massive hyperloop infrastructure project?
I don't know about the hyper loop, but I gotta say, infrastructure projects are one of the ony government spending I enjoy. You can see the results, touch the results and use the result for years. Sure the building will be 25% overpricd due to fucking the government over, but that's how it is.
Other projects (paper projects I call them), I don't like. Every result are super indirect. Every politician defend them using correlation is causation statement, which is so extremely wrong.
I'll support anything infrastructure and everything that ends in -care. But I'll need to review the later before making a decision
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Patlal]
#22177367 - 09/02/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited. You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers. The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money. If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
#22177406 - 09/02/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited. You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers. The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money. If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built
Well, they are trying to get new funding at least. California just sold 27 million gallons of water to Nestle for 524$ last week.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
#22177429 - 09/02/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who the hell is talking about lawyers? You would pick a field that obviously fits your opinion, but common sense tells ya (hopefully) that it doesn't speak for all. Gotta do better than that buddy-row.
Speaking in generalities is a tell-tale sign of someone not willing to consider perspectives outside of their own, which by their nature are incomplete and wrong.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Patlal]
#22177488 - 09/02/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, they are trying to get new funding at least. California just sold 27 million gallons of water to Nestle for 524$ last week.
"Get new funding" is best translated as "Beg or steal"
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
#22177507 - 09/02/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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DirdyD said: Who the hell is talking about lawyers? You would pick a field that obviously fits your opinion, but common sense tells ya (hopefully) that it doesn't speak for all. Gotta do better than that buddy-row.
Speaking in generalities is a tell-tale sign of someone not willing to consider perspectives outside of their own, which by their nature are incomplete and wrong.
That was just one example and was, in fact, not a generality. It was quite specific. I would also ask how the new grievance studies and art history majors are doing in the job market. And the new psychology and sociology and anthropolgy majors are doing. You want me to go on about how many shit worthless degrees are being churned out by the academio-industrial complex? I picked law because it is well known.
I would posit that at least half of the people attending college have no business being there and I would further posit that their retard presence is dragging down the quality of education for the people who do belong there. If you are a moron and you go to college you will still be a moron when you leave. But you might be a more resentful moron.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
#22177593 - 09/02/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rediculous.
I definitely am not a supporter of the notion that going to college is a must. In fact, I downright hate people who hold strong to that view. But I'm not going to deny that a degree or some college is a bad thing.
If you're a "moron" and you go to college, at least you'll be a moron with a better skill set to apply in any way you choose. It's never a bad thing and it opens up doors and that cannot be denied. It hardly shuts them. Only doors that shut are the ones you shut yourself and your views are full of them. You suck at thinking. 
Every post you make just brings up more generalities that don't hold a bit of water under criticism. Just stop. Guess I can't blame you though, because this is one of very few places BS like that will fly. Take this BS into academia or a productive work environment and you'd be shutdown by a kid with an associates degree. Then again, you're a carpenter (same here, among a billion other things), so it isn't as if this sort of line of thought is your money-maker.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
#22177614 - 09/02/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited. You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers. The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money. If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built
Well, they are trying to get new funding at least. California just sold 27 million gallons of water to Nestle for 524$ last week.
"Get new funding" is best translated as "Beg or steal"
Well, Cali is feeding half the country by itself, no wonder they're broke.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Patlal]
#22177639 - 09/02/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited. You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers. The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money. If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built
Well, they are trying to get new funding at least. California just sold 27 million gallons of water to Nestle for 524$ last week.
"Get new funding" is best translated as "Beg or steal"
Well, Cali is feeding half the country by itself, no wonder they're broke.
No they aren't. They are boutique water sucking indulgences like almoonds and wine. Couple that with a massive drought and it is pretty clear they are most certainly not doing that. They never should have had that much agriculture in the first place since most of the state is seriously devoid of water resources and the parts that aren't are inhospitable to agriculture. The center of the country is the breadbasket and California only ranks at or near the top because it is huge.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
#22177653 - 09/02/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The problem with mass transportation in America is that a whole lot of the country is sparsely inhabited. You have the East Coast corridor and the West Coast corridor where it makes a modicum of sense but even there it has to be subsidized by taxpayers. The idiots in California are wasting a shit ton of money. If it cannot support itself with ticket prices it should not be built
Comparing the current "high speed" rail boondoggle in California to a hyperloop goes beyond apples to oranges. The proposed hyperloop, with it's first leg between L.A. and Las Vegas, could definitely support itself with ticket sales. Even if it couldn't, neither can the airline industry (which has been heavily subsidized since day one). Hyperloops would provide much greater mobility than any airplane could, and freight could move much faster with lower fuel costs (than trains).
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
#22177658 - 09/02/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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DirdyD said: Rediculous.
I definitely am not a supporter of the notion that going to college is a must. In fact, I downright hate people who hold strong to that view. But I'm not going to deny that a degree or some college is a bad thing.
If you're a "moron" and you go to college, at least you'll be a moron with a better skill set to apply in any way you choose. It's never a bad thing and it opens up doors and that cannot be denied. It hardly shuts them. Only doors that shut are the ones you shut yourself and your views are full of them. You suck at thinking. 
Every post you make just brings up more generalities that don't hold a bit of water under criticism. Just stop. Guess I can't blame you though, because this is one of very few places BS like that will fly. Take this BS into academia or a productive work environment and you'd be shutdown by a kid with an associates degree. Then again, you're a carpenter (same here, among a billion other things), so it isn't as if this sort of line of thought is your money-maker.
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What skill set do morons achieve at great expense in college? Not only is there a financial cost but there are also years of experience lost at things they might be much more suited for. And then there are the douches in bullshit studies who are learning no skills at all except how to whine.
I'm not wrong and nobody fucks with me.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
#22177677 - 09/02/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Comparing the current "high speed" rail boondoggle in California to a hyperloop goes beyond apples to oranges. The proposed hyperloop, with it's first leg between L.A. and Las Vegas, could definitely support itself with ticket sales. Even if it couldn't, neither can the airline industry (which has been heavily subsidized since day one). Hyperloops would provide much greater mobility than any airplane could, and freight could move much faster with lower fuel costs (than trains).
How is the airline industry subsidized? How does a fixed line provide more mobility than airtravel? Are these not essentially pneumatic tubes that push little cars? How is that significantly different from rail? What is the environmental impact of having an elevated rail all over the place? I also doubt Mr Musk's assessment of the cost.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
#22177719 - 09/02/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/California/Publications/California_Ag_Statistics/2013cas-all.pdf
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California’s leading crops remained fruits, nuts and vegetables. Over a third of the country’s vegetables and two - thirds of the country’s fruits and nuts were produced in California.
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Crop and Livestock Commodities in which California Leads the Nation
Almonds Figs Melons, Cantaloupe Pluots Apricots Flowers, Bulbs Melons, Honeydew Pomegranates Artichokes Flowers, Cut Milk Raspberries Asparagus Flowers, Potted Plants Nectarines Rice, Sweet Avocados Garlic Nursery, Bedding Plants Safflower Beans, Dry Lima Grapes, Raisins Nursery Crops Seed, Alfalfa Beans, F.M. Snap Grapes, Table Olives Seed, Bermuda Grass Bedding/Garden Plants Grapes, Wine Onions, Dry Seed, Ladino Clover Broccoli Greens, Mustard Onions, Green Seed, Vegetable and Flower Brussels Sprouts Hay, Alfalfa Parsley Spinach Cabbage, Chinese Herbs Peaches, Clingstone Squash Carrots Jojoba Peaches, Freestone Strawberries Cauliflower Kale Pears, Bartlett Tomatoes, F.M. Celery Kiwifruit Peppers, Chile Tomatoes, Processing Chicory Kumquats Peppers, Bell Triticale Corn, Sweet Lemons Persimmons Vegetables, Greenhouse Cotton, American Pima Lettuce, Head Pigeons and Squabs Vegetables, Oriental Daikon Lettuce, Leaf Pistachios Walnuts Dates Lettuce, Romaine Plums Watercress Eggplant Limes Plums, Dried Wild Rice Escarole/Endive Mandarins & Mandarin Hybrids California is the sole producer (99 percent or more) of the commodities in bold
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
#22177726 - 09/02/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, they are trying to get new funding at least. California just sold 27 million gallons of water to Nestle for 524$ last week.
"Get new funding" is best translated as "Beg or steal"
Well, Cali is feeding half the country by itself, no wonder they're broke.
No they aren't. They are boutique water sucking indulgences like almoonds and wine. Couple that with a massive drought and it is pretty clear they are most certainly not doing that. They never should have had that much agriculture in the first place since most of the state is seriously devoid of water resources and the parts that aren't are inhospitable to agriculture. The center of the country is the breadbasket and California only ranks at or near the top because it is huge.
It's kinda funny. The state should have been swallowed by the pacific long ago, yet there are droughts everywhere.
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