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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22165949 - 08/30/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not wrong.  Solar panels are a novelty item in the North and can't come anywhere near meeting energy needs.  Then there is the loss inevitable in transmission.  Then there is the toxicity of the cells themselves which are eventually going to have to be replaced.  How are you going to heat your house in the winter when your solar panels are covered with 3 feet of snow?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22165966 - 08/30/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not wrong.  Solar panels are a novelty item in the North and can't come anywhere near meeting energy needs.  Then there is the loss inevitable in transmission.  Then there is the toxicity of the cells themselves which are eventually going to have to be replaced.  How are you going to heat your house in the winter when your solar panels are covered with 3 feet of snow?



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: sprinkles]
    #22166372 - 08/30/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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OMFG leave the bitch alone:derfase:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 1
    #22166785 - 08/30/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I'm not wrong. Solar panels are a novelty item in the North and can't come anywhere near meeting energy needs.




In the North-what? North Pole? Use wind gennies there.


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Then there is the loss inevitable in transmission.




Loss of transmission? Of electricity? That's why I use Tesla's AC patents instead of Edison's DC plans. I can run power for more than two miles using AC! Believe it!


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Then there is the toxicity of the cells themselves which are eventually going to have to be replaced.




Photovoltaic cells have a usual life span of 20-30 years, with a life expectancy on newer (and recyclable) panels going up to 40 years. To top that, we'd need to be running RTGs.

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How are you going to heat your house in the winter when your solar panels are covered with 3 feet of snow?




With my RTG providing the entire neighborhood with heat for the next 30 years. Or, integration of geothermal energies into the area.

Besides, with the planet already past the tipping point for [global climate destabilization], snow is not on my list of worries anytime soon.

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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22167413 - 08/31/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I'm not wrong.  Solar panels are a novelty item in the North and can't come anywhere near meeting energy needs.  Then there is the loss inevitable in transmission.  Then there is the toxicity of the cells themselves which are eventually going to have to be replaced.  How are you going to heat your house in the winter when your solar panels are covered with 3 feet of snow?




thats why you rig the solar panels with heaters and windshield wipers:obama:  problem solved, next question


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22167470 - 08/31/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

To recap, the question was: What is the best way to create decent jobs?  If you wish to contend that energy independence in some form is the best way, then thats cool.  Anyone else besides ZiG have any ideas?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22167488 - 08/31/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The best jobs are ones that will always be around. The need or want for something must be constant, and supply must always keep up with demand with affordable pricing.

Off the top of my head;
I see food, diapers, fuel as needs.
I see food, cellphones, clothes as wants.

A stable job in this environment would seem to be food. Grocery stores, McDonald's, Super Walmart.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Arctic W. Fox] * 1
    #22167506 - 08/31/15 02:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Have public colleges be free. Doing this will allow many americans to get a college degree and open up many job opportunities that aren't available to everyone.

Also, having renewable energy, funding biodegradable plastics, and encouraging such things to be made in the US should open quite a bit of jobs in our country.

There is no surefire way to create jobs that stick, but we need the citizens of the US to have both the education and opportunity to be a major contender in global trade and economy.

Working backwards to try and bring back work that has moved elsewhere will most likely not work the way we want it to, and could even hinder the US economy even more so. We need to become a global contender in energy producing technology.

Also, I think as a country we should fund Vertical farming, something that would be costly in the beginning but pay off in the long run. Hydroponics in a skyscraper format saves both water and nutrients that are not being absorbed. Certain recycling techniques can't cut production cost by a lot. Not to mention this will also create jobs, and provide food to people in large cities.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Achillita]
    #22168087 - 08/31/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Have public colleges be free. Doing this will allow many americans to get a college degree and open up many job opportunities that aren't available to everyone.






Having more college educated people doesn't create more jobs, all it does it flood the job markets that need educated people.

Only a certain percentage of jobs really require a college education, at a certain point it becomes a huge mis-allocation of resources.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: qman]
    #22168795 - 08/31/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

College only creates jobs for people who work at colleges.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22169384 - 08/31/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think that's entirely true ZiG.  That post was not up to your usual standards. Try again please.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22169449 - 08/31/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The more people that are able to go to college without raising giant debts from student loans means that more money goes to the economy. It also allows more people to enter the intellectual work force and help us strive for better technology.

As a country, we can no longer try and go back in time to a time where factories and worker jobs were the mainstay of our economy. We need to strive to make technological advancements that benefit not only us, but the world.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22169506 - 08/31/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If it was only that simple, which it isn't.  You only named three very well known forms of alternative energy while there is literally a plethora.

It's best just to not comment if you aren't actually informed on the subject.  Act your age, not your dick size, champ.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
    #22169521 - 08/31/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ZIG clearly should be elected el presidentay of the masses. 

He clearly knows absolutely everything about everything.  Who needs an advanced education when you have an armchair and an internet connection?

"I've been doing construction for 40 years!  Fuck all that objective, informed bullshit!"

ZIG for King Dick 2015.
  "I'm not wrong."


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Achillita]
    #22169562 - 08/31/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Achillita said:
The more people that are able to go to college without raising giant debts from student loans means that more money goes to the economy. It also allows more people to enter the intellectual work force and help us strive for better technology.

As a country, we can no longer try and go back in time to a time where factories and worker jobs were the mainstay of our economy. We need to strive to make technological advancements that benefit not only us, but the world.




The employment openings for innovation and technology are limited, there's only so much demand for "intellectual work", that doesn't change by creating more workers for that demand.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22169595 - 08/31/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think that's entirely true ZiG.  That post was not up to your usual standards. Try again please.



How does it create any other job?  Create is not the same as train for and I would posit that they aren't doing very well in the training departent either.  A company either does or does not have a need for an employee and they aren't all that impressed with what they are getting these days anyway.  The only way colleges create jobs is by hiring people to wok for them.  The same is true of government bureaucracy.  Nothing is actualy prduced and yet millions of reasonably capable people are drawing a paycheck for bullshit.  Let me draw your attention to the tax code which runs tens of thousands of pages long.  I would not be the least bit surprised if there is close to a million people employed in the tax compliance industry.  I would like to see 90% of them in a productive line of work.  Bureaucracy is not a productive line of work.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22169624 - 08/31/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh sweet Jesus. 

I just about quit reading at "A company either does or does not have a need for an employee and they aren't all that impressed with what they are getting these days anyway." 

Where do you get a brush that big to paint so broadly?  Holy hell.  I won't even go into the fact that a business is not a static nor simple entity.  Wow.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
    #22169634 - 08/31/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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DirdyD said:
If it was only that simple, which it isn't.  You only named three very well known forms of alternative energy while there is literally a plethora.

It's best just to not comment if you aren't actually informed on the subject.  Act your age, not your dick size, champ.



There are very few forms of tranposrtable and viable forms of energy.  You have energy from combustion and energy from storage.  The means of storage are even more toxic than the means of combustion, way more expensive and.

Solar is useless in the North.  It is a fact.  Wind?  We are too densely populated to put up anywhere near enough windmills.  I am actually intruged by geothermal but that will only heat and cool one house.

As President I will throw the vast majority of our science budget into achieving fusion


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
    #22169640 - 08/31/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh sweet Jesus. 

I just about quit reading at "A company either does or does not have a need for an employee and they aren't all that impressed with what they are getting these days anyway." 

Where do you get a brush that big to paint so broadly?  Holy hell.  I won't even go into the fact that a business is not a static nor simple entity.  Wow.



Who said anything about it being static?  Do you think colleges create plumbing jobs?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22169649 - 08/31/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"As President I will throw the vast majority of our science budget into achieving fusion."

Good job on flip flopping there, just like a real politician.

Pretty sure you're on point, regardless.


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