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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22159961 - 08/29/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the only reason he did anything after becoming quadriplegic is because he was a millionair.  if he was in a nursing home he wouldn't have anybody to read him books, he wouldn't have any of that technology that makes him functional, ect ect.  he's basically a key example of why people do need things given to them


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22159971 - 08/29/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the only reason he did anything after becoming quadriplegic is because he was a millionair.  if he was in a nursing home he wouldn't have anybody to read him books, he wouldn't have any of that technology that makes him functional, ect ect.  he's basically a key example of why people do need things given to them



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22160033 - 08/29/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If he was a millionaire he didn't need anything given to him, did he?  My point is that everybody, even quadriplegics, can be put to use for their benefits.  Do you know who objects to that the most?  Unions.  The most vocal objections to workfare came from public sector unions.  Because they are protectionsit leeches.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22160038 - 08/29/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If he was a millionaire he didn't need anything given to him, did he?



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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22160045 - 08/29/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hehehe


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22160838 - 08/29/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A lot of homeless people are people who are mentally ill(30-40% of single homeless people) and 10-15% if they are homeless with their family.

Not to mention a lot of homeless people are homeless because they got extremely sick or severely injured and it threw them into a downward spiral.

I've met and talked to quite a bit of homeless people around my area. They are some of the nicest people I have ever talked to. The majority of them go around collecting cans so they can buy their next meal so they don't starve.

In my city, it's very common for homeless people to beg. They are people, a lot of times severely in need of help.

There are tons of abandoned buildings and houses that all across the US. We could hire homeless people to fix up these abandoned houses, ad in turn they get a house themselves. They work, get a home, and a lot of times can get their life back together.

But we should also help those with mental illness problems. It's a shame that we ignore the people who need our help the most.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Achillita]
    #22160963 - 08/29/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They are homeless because they won't go to the shelter because the other homeless who do are fucking assholes.  Which has nothing to do with the fact that if I ran a homeless shelter there would be no paid cleaning or cooking staff.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22161664 - 08/29/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you should check out how phoenix az. saved the city a ton of money on the homeless problem


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22161750 - 08/29/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You should provide a link


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22162688 - 08/29/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's a good thing you asked, because i was misremembering. The story was about Salt Lake City. :derp:  Nevertheless, i found some more stories, and one of them is even about Phoenix


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/22/home-free
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Handing mentally ill substance abusers the keys to a new place may sound like an example of wasteful government spending. But it turned out to be the opposite: over time, Housing First has saved the government money. Homeless people are not cheap to take care of. The cost of shelters, emergency-room visits, ambulances, police, and so on quickly piles up. Lloyd Pendleton, the director of Utah’s Homeless Task Force, told me of one individual whose care one year cost nearly a million dollars, and said that, with the traditional approach, the average chronically homeless person used to cost Salt Lake City more than twenty thousand dollars a year. Putting someone into permanent housing costs the state just eight thousand dollars, and that’s after you include the cost of the case managers who work with the formerly homeless to help them adjust. The same is true elsewhere. A Colorado study found that the average homeless person cost the state forty-three thousand dollars a year, while housing that person would cost just seventeen thousand dollars.

Housing First isn’t just cost-effective. It’s more effective, period. The old model assumed that before you could put people into permanent homes you had to deal with their underlying issues—get them to stop drinking, take their medication, and so on. Otherwise, it was thought, they’d end up back on the streets. But it’s ridiculously hard to get people to make such changes while they’re living in a shelter or on the street. “If you move people into permanent supportive housing first, and then give them help, it seems to work better,” Nan Roman, the president and C.E.O. of the National Alliance for Homelessness, told me. “It’s intuitive, in a way. People do better when they have stability.” Utah’s first pilot program placed seventeen people in homes scattered around Salt Lake City, and after twenty-two months not one of them was back on the streets. In the years since, the number of Utah’s chronically homeless has fallen by seventy-four per cent.





http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/25/phoenix-program-gets-homeless-off-streets-into-own-apartments/2588579/
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Kelleher is one of 90 chronically homeless people who will have a home at the newly refurbished downtown Phoenix housing complex by next month. A third of the property's nearly 300 units will house the area's most desperate population, easing some of the strain on an overflow parking lot near the state Capitol where homeless people have congregated for the last three months.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/housing-first-homeless-charlotte_n_5022628.html
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It's cheaper to give homeless men and women a permanent place to live than to leave them on the streets.

That’s according to a study of an apartment complex for formerly homeless people in Charlotte, N.C., that found drastic savings on health care costs and incarceration.

Moore Place houses 85 chronically homeless adults, and was the subject of a study by the University of North Carolina Charlotte released on Monday. The study found that, in its first year, Moore Place tenants saved $1.8 million in health care costs, with 447 fewer emergency room visits (a 78 percent reduction) and 372 fewer days in the hospital (a 79 percent reduction).




http://www.cbsnews.com/news/housing-homeless-can-save-money/
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...Becky Kanis: The inability to tend to your basic healthcare needs, results in people on the streets ending up in emergency rooms and ending up in in-patient hospitalizations. And one night in the hospital is a whole month's rent on most places.

Anderson Cooper: So you're saying it's more expensive to allow a chronically homeless person to live on the streets than it is to actually subsidize an apartment for them?

Becky Kanis: Yes, we are paying more as taxpayers to walk past that person on the street and do nothing than we would be paying to just give them an apartment...

...Anderson Cooper: Is it fair to give somebody an apartment who's made bad choices and is being irresponsible?

Becky Kanis: I don't think fairness is the right way to look at it. What I would prefer to look at it is what's good for everybody. So having somebody on the streets, fair or not fair, is costing us as a society as taxpayers more than it would cost to have them in housing.

Anderson Cooper: It does seem like you're rewarding somebody though, who's-- you know, drinking or doing drugs or just being irresponsible.

Becky Kanis: I see it as giving them a second chance. And most people, given that second chance, do something about those behaviors...



http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/before-and-after-from-homeless-to-hopeful/


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22162708 - 08/29/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Question 7: Though there is disagreement on exactly how to change it, both major parties agree that the corporate tax code is garbage.  How would you like to see corporate taxes changed?




Also,

Question 8: What do you think is the most effective way to create jobs? Not minimum wage jobs at Walmart; real jobs with wages that you could one day maybe buy a house with.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22163815 - 08/30/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Rein in the regulatory agencies and open oil exploration to finally become energy independent.  We do not need licensing for hair salons and barbers.  It is an anachronism.  And blow up the tax code.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22163838 - 08/30/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Question 7: Though there is disagreement on exactly how to change it, both major parties agree that the corporate tax code is garbage.  How would you like to see corporate taxes changed?




Also,

Question 8: What do you think is the most effective way to create jobs? Not minimum wage jobs at Walmart; real jobs with wages that you could one day maybe buy a house with.




"What do you think is the most effective way to create job?"

Let more illegals in from all different third world nations, I was told that these people actually help the US economy, so more people that will take jobs away from US citizens and will eventually use every social service available to soak the taxpayer.

More unskilled people that can't speak English will create a massive amount of jobs, it will just happen because it happens.  :flowstone:


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22163840 - 08/30/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We don't need oil, certainly not the amount to which has lead to our level of dependency.  Oil use should be supplemental at best.

The amount of environmental destruction that would result from opening up oil exploration here in the states would greatly outweigh any economical benefit.

Solar, high-tech hydo and other forms of energy production should be emphasized.  Anyone truly educated in the energy and environmental sectors will tell you exactly what I just said.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: DirdyD]
    #22163915 - 08/30/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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We don't need oil, certainly not the amount to which has lead to our level of dependency.  Oil use should be supplemental at best.

The amount of environmental destruction that would result from opening up oil exploration here in the states would greatly outweigh any economical benefit.

Solar, high-tech hydo and other forms of energy production should be emphasized.  Anyone truly educated in the energy and environmental sectors will tell you exactly what I just said.



Tell me how efficacious solar energy will be in Maine.  In Winter.  Hydro?  We are demolishing dams these days because of the environmental havoc they wreak.  Electric cars are bullshit and the batteries are incredibly toxic to discard when they wear out.  Anybody educated in the field will tell you what I just said.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22165071 - 08/30/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ocean water turbines that use the power of waves and ocean currents to make electricity.

Set up all around the US' ocean, and we could power the whole United States.


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Achillita]
    #22165652 - 08/30/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are you fucking tripping right now?


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22165896 - 08/30/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Solar panels don't have to be set up in Maine to get the electricity to Maine. This applies for anywhere throughout the world.


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What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22165903 - 08/30/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:picard:Yeah.  Solar panels in the Mojave desert are gonna be real useful to Maine.  There is a reason why electricity generation tends to be local.  It is called transportation cost


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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Reboot:Debate Edition [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22165911 - 08/30/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:picard:Yeah.  Solar panels in the Mojave desert are gonna be real useful to Maine.  There is a reason why electricity generation tends to be local.  It is called transportation cost



I don't know what to say about this answer except :ilold:
You'll stick to anything you have to say as long as it doesn't make you admit that you're wrong.


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What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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