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Are you a patriot?
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I'm expecting many butthurts. I'm thinking of this from an American aspect. I've met soooo many motherfuckers who are patriotic as fuck, yet continue to not abide by laws set by their government. My favorite line is "I love my country. I hate my government", lolol. So, are you proud of your country? I can't say I'm proud or ashamed as I don't let that define me. I was just born in an area that has been defined as a nation by false geographical lines. Do you let your countries actions define yourself?
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I'm not patriotic. Humans are humans. I will stand for humanity. If my government behaved ethically then I would consider patriotism, but sadly that is far from reality.
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Acaterpillar said: I'm not patriotic. Humans are humans. I will stand for humanity. If my government behaved ethically then I would consider patriotism, but sadly that is far from reality.
But even then. If they behaved ethically (which I think we'd both agree to be impossible), how could you claim pride of such a large entity? I mean, how many factors go into the creation of a government, ya know? I see all these Berntards who seem to act 'patriotic', yet even the man they support attempts to point out the fallacies of our current system (not that I agree with the fuck).
Personally, I find patriotism to be idiotic brainwash. "I'm proud of an area of mine that is governed by this certain entity which acts in ways that I deem as moral." Nawwhai'msayin?
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ShroomPuncher said: Personally, I find patriotism to be idiotic brainwash. "I'm proud of an area of mine that is governed by this certain entity which acts in ways that I deem as moral." Nawwhai'msayin?
I agree. I think patriotism can take different forms though. Some people could feel pride for the people and culture that occupies their country rather than their government.
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Hell no. Also I'm Canadian so I mean, should I really cheer that we're currently managing to fuck up a country that was essentially good by default? Also I had jack shit to do with any of it, so what exactly is there for me to be proud of? That's not to say I don't appreciate the benefits of living here, and that I wouldn't defend them if needed, but I don't think patriotism should enter into it.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Ezuma]
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ShroomPuncher said: Personally, I find patriotism to be idiotic brainwash. "I'm proud of an area of mine that is governed by this certain entity which acts in ways that I deem as moral." Nawwhai'msayin?
I agree. I think patriotism can take different forms though. Some people could feel pride for the people and culture that occupies their country rather than their government.
Now that, I can entertain. I personally wouldn't consider it patriotism, though. I take pride in many people I associate with or even the culture created therein. And I'm an Anarchist lol. 
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Ezuma said: Hell no. Also I'm Canadian so I mean, should I really cheer that we're currently managing to fuck up a country that was essentially good by default? Also I had jack shit to do with any of it, so what exactly is there for me to be proud of? That's not to say I don't appreciate the benefits of living here, and that I wouldn't defend them if needed, but I don't think patriotism should enter into it.
So, if you disagree with your country's policies, brotha, why fight for it? I wanted long ago to fight for the US until I realized I wouldn't be fighting for the PEOPLE, but rather, the economical interests of the state.
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Oh I wouldn't fight for my country in terms of in the army, not now anyways. I would however, in the right circumstances, defend policies and systems that I see as good. Sadly those are being crushed pretty steadily by Heir Harper. Sadly joining protests is a bit of a bad option these days if you want to be employed
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I love Murica mane!!!!
No I actually fucking hate the US. Think we are corrupt and our culture is fucked up and I hate patriotic people. I unfortunately live in a shitty area that everyone pretends to be a redneck and everyone acts all patriotic and says "Murica" and "Muryland" and shit. In reality my city is a bunch of poser fake redneck wannabes and the patriotic dickheads make our city look so fucking retarded.
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Ezuma said: Oh I wouldn't fight for my country in terms of in the army, not now anyways. I would however, in the right circumstances, defend policies and systems that I see as good. Sadly those are being crushed pretty steadily by Heir Harper. Sadly joining protests is a bit of a bad option these days if you want to be employed
I feel ya on that! If you show any resistance, even peaceful, people like to jump and assume you're some ISIS provocateur or something haha. Personally, I'd fight for moral values, rather than extending it to the government and calling them policies. If my country was raided, I'd arm up and fight for my loved ones, but would still refuse to act as if I'm a supporter of our current system.
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Xplicit RelapzZ said: I love Murica mane!!!!
No I actually fucking hate the US. Think we are corrupt and our culture is fucked up and I hate patriotic people. I unfortunately live in a shitty area that everyone pretends to be a redneck and everyone acts all patriotic and says "Murica" and "Muryland" and shit. In reality my city is a bunch of poser fake redneck wannabes and the patriotic dickheads make our city look so fucking retarded.
Hell yez! Got lots of alcoholic, law-breaking, 'patriotic' scum out here. Shit, if you gonna break the laws of a system you supposedly praise, why even support it. If you can't abide by their rulings, you clearly shouldn't even attempt to act as if you support them.
And I'm with you, comrade.
Fuck 'MURICA!
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Xplicit RelapzZ said: I love Murica mane!!!!
No I actually fucking hate the US. Think we are corrupt and our culture is fucked up and I hate patriotic people. I unfortunately live in a shitty area that everyone pretends to be a redneck and everyone acts all patriotic and says "Murica" and "Muryland" and shit. In reality my city is a bunch of poser fake redneck wannabes and the patriotic dickheads make our city look so fucking retarded.
I think American patriotism has been co opted and is basically nationalism with a nice dose of xenophobia tossed in for good measure. The thing about loving anything, even a country, is that for the good of that idea/person/object you are willing to completely honest about not only the triumphs but the weaknesses as well.
Too many so-called patriots love the United States the way a toddler loves its mother. The state is infallible, its decisions beyond question, its actions beyond reproach and when faced with aspects of the state that directly harm them, they can't fathom that the country may actually be set up to do this harm, that regardless of their so-called "love of country" the country doesn't love them back and, in fact, merely sees them as factors of production.
A healthy patriotism is capable of critical analysis and synthesis, not just blind slogans and knee-jerk reactionary tendencies.
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I'm not a patriot.
For most of my life asshats are in power, elected by apparently a population largely consisting of asshats, who utterly ruined the cuntry I grew up in. Socially. Environmentally. Economically.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Asante]
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For most of my life asshats are in power, elected by apparently a population largely consisting of asshats, who utterly ruined the cuntry I grew up in. Socially. Environmentally. Economically.
I'm forcing you to hang out with me when I move to Zwolle.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: I am a patriot. I love my country and my country loves me. It's beautiful. We're gonna have kids soon.
Can I name one of them?
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Patlal said: I am a patriot. I love my country and my country loves me. It's beautiful. We're gonna have kids soon.
Can I name one of them?
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Damn, ya'll are on point! I was expecting some ex Navy Seal to come in and merc me with 'murica bullets.
A country's actions are defined by those that rule it. I always find it sadly funny when people talk about how they love their country, but hate their government. "But the constitution!", lol. If you align with a country and support statism, you should be willing to accept criticism from the apoliticals.
Let's talk about flag burning!!
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Let's talk about flag burning!!
I don't really see the point in it. It just seems like trolling TBH. Whenever they show video clips of people burning the American flag I'm always like "...okay...so?" But it certainly riles some folks up. *Kanye shrug*
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ShroomPuncher said: Damn, ya'll are on point! I was expecting some ex Navy Seal to come in and merc me with 'murica bullets.
A country's actions are defined by those that rule it. I always find it sadly funny when people talk about how they love their country, but hate their government. "But the constitution!", lol. If you align with a country and support statism, you should be willing to accept criticism from the apoliticals.
Let's talk about flag burning!!
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I'm ex-military and would consider myself mildly patriotic, though I don't care for politics whatsoever. I may just be more of a veteran-supporter than patriotic I guess - WW2 vets make me tear up just from being in their presence.
I for the most part agree with Carlin in that the country was "bought for and paid for a LONG time ago", and never believed anything I could ever do would affect anything, so I don't dabble in politics, and live a quiet life by myself with my family. I don't watch the news, read it, or care for it .
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ShroomPuncher said: Damn, ya'll are on point! I was expecting some ex Navy Seal to come in and merc me with 'murica bullets.
A country's actions are defined by those that rule it. I always find it sadly funny when people talk about how they love their country, but hate their government. "But the constitution!", lol. If you align with a country and support statism, you should be willing to accept criticism from the apoliticals.
Let's talk about flag burning!!
Burn all you want. They are just symbols.
Right. And it's funny. The only reason I bring it up is when all the vets and patriots get so butthurt that they bring up violence. "He's burning American flag. Practicing his rights. Let's beat him up for practicing what our country was founded upon"
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No. I dislike the US quite a bit actually.
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I am not all that enamored of WW2 vets. It was their generaton that got 50,000 of my generation killed for nothing. A lot of the leaders were vets. Pardon me if I don't think they are the greatest generation. I missed that horror by a hair's breadth
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: bukkake]
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bukkake said: No. I dislike the US quite a bit actually.
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zappaisgod said: I am not all that enamored of WW2 vets. It was their generaton that got 50,000 of my generation killed for nothing. A lot of the leaders were vets. Pardon me if I don't think they are the greatest generation. I missed that horror by a hair's breadth
Say all you want but the boots on the ground saved millions of lives and perhaps the world from dictatorship and fascism - I count that for something. I'm talking about combat vets, not 'leaders' sitting behind desks Also, removing Hitler from power isn't exactly "nothing". 407,316 US soldiers died, while over 10 million civilians died at the hands of the axis.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: pfxtc]
#22136087 - 08/24/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm far from the most patriotic guy in the world -- that said, I don't "hate" my country. If one "hates" their country, then why even be there? Okay yeah, so up & moving countries isn't as easy as moving down the street. But seriously, if I hated my country, I'd at least be making long term plans to get out at some point down the road.
I'm also very proud of my country in ways, and disappointed in it in others. I think that's natural. No country is perfect. And here we're far (US) from perfect. But it's still a great, GREAT country. Despite the faults it's still one of the great countries on this planet.
And by the way, OP, I think it's still possible for one to dislike their government, yet be proud of their country at the same time. There's an infinite number of people around the globe who have deep, deep love & connection for their country, yet despise their governments.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Niffla]
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Niffla said: I'm far from the most patriotic guy in the world -- that said, I don't "hate" my country. If one "hates" their country, then why even be there? Okay yeah, so up & moving countries isn't as easy as moving down the street. But seriously, if I hated my country, I'd at least be making long term plans to get out at some point down the road.
I'm also very proud of my country in ways, and disappointed in it in others. I think that's natural. No country is perfect. And here we're far (US) from perfect. But it's still a great, GREAT country. Despite the faults it's still one of the great countries on this planet.
And by the way, OP, I think it's still possible for one to dislike their government, yet be proud of their country at the same time. There's an infinite number of people around the globe who have deep, deep love & connection for their country, yet despise their governments.
Exactly.
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Say all you want but the boots on the ground saved millions of lives and perhaps the world from dictatorship and fascism - I count that for something. I'm talking about combat vets, not 'leaders' sitting behind desks Also, removing Hitler from power isn't exactly "nothing".
I appreciate what the grunts did a great deal but I do not appreciate the attitude that came out of the whole generation. They got a shit load of my generation killed for nothing. My cousin included. Tortured and starved. Nah. I aint going to forgive them. It would have been so easy to win, too, but they totally fucked it up and got a lot of South Vietnamese killed as well. Total fuckups.
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ShroomPuncher said: I'm expecting many butthurts. I'm thinking of this from an American aspect. I've met soooo many motherfuckers who are patriotic as fuck, yet continue to not abide by laws set by their government. My favorite line is "I love my country. I hate my government", lolol. So, are you proud of your country? I can't say I'm proud or ashamed as I don't let that define me. I was just born in an area that has been defined as a nation by false geographical lines. Do you let your countries actions define yourself?
I have a very turbulent relationship with my mother country but it will suffice to say that I love her to death. I don't know if I'd say that I'm proud to be a 'Murican but I honestly can't think of many other places I'd want to live or that could, on the whole, treat me much better.
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zappaisgod said: I am not all that enamored of WW2 vets. It was their generaton that got 50,000 of my generation killed for nothing. A lot of the leaders were vets. Pardon me if I don't think they are the greatest generation. I missed that horror by a hair's breadth
Say all you want but the boots on the ground saved millions of lives and perhaps the world from dictatorship and fascism - I count that for something. I'm talking about combat vets, not 'leaders' sitting behind desks Also, removing Hitler from power isn't exactly "nothing".
I appreciate what the grunts did a great deal but I do not appreciate the attitude that came out of the whole generation. They got a shit load of my generation killed for nothing. My cousin included. Tortured and starved. Nah. I aint going to forgive them. It would have been so easy to win, too, but they totally fucked it up and got a lot of South Vietnamese killed as well. Total fuckups.
Name me a good generation And all I'm talking about is the grunts. I see them a lot at the VA, and they are the nicest guys in the building.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Niffla]
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Niffla said: I'm far from the most patriotic guy in the world -- that said, I don't "hate" my country. If one "hates" their country, then why even be there? Okay yeah, so up & moving countries isn't as easy as moving down the street. But seriously, if I hated my country, I'd at least be making long term plans to get out at some point down the road.
I'm also very proud of my country in ways, and disappointed in it in others. I think that's natural. No country is perfect. And here we're far (US) from perfect. But it's still a great, GREAT country. Despite the faults it's still one of the great countries on this planet.
And by the way, OP, I think it's still possible for one to dislike their government, yet be proud of their country at the same time. There's an infinite number of people around the globe who have deep, deep love & connection for their country, yet despise their governments.
I would love to leave my country. But what's the point in spending THOUSANDS to attempt to leave and only end up in another cesspool.
And I'd say I have to disagree. A country is synonymous with it's government; regardless of changes over years. Country is nothing more than boundaries (which have been previously defined by a nation). Governement, or nation, is the governmental entity occupying those boundaries. It'd be more logical to say you appreciate the 'scenery' of a 'country' than to even say you're proud of the country itself. For example, I love the region I live in and am obliged to stay in because of legal restrictions, however, I do not extend that to it's people, government, or history. I just think it's puuuurtyyy.
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Like I'm proud of the Americas. They've formed such fantastic mountains and stuffz.
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ShroomPuncher said: I would love to leave my country. But what's the point in spending THOUSANDS to attempt to leave and only end up in another cesspool.
Okay so basically you think the entire globe sucks, since in your world the country you live in sucks, and everywhere else is a "cesspool". Gotcha.
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And I'd say I have to disagree. A country is synonymous with it's government; regardless of changes over years. Country is nothing more than boundaries (which have been previously defined by a nation). Governement, or nation, is the governmental entity occupying those boundaries. It'd be more logical to say you appreciate the 'scenery' of a 'country' than to even say you're proud of the country itself. For example, I love the region I live in and am obliged to stay in because of legal restrictions, however, I do not extend that to it's people, government, or history. I just think it's puuuurtyyy.
So in order for one to have any level of pride and/or love for their country -- they must 100% love and agree with everything their government does?

A country is more than just a government & a region. A country is everything -- region, climate, the people, the culture, the food, the music, the entertainment, the government...it encompasses everything. Do you have to like everything to be patriotic? That's a really, really simplistic way of looking at it.
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ShroomPuncher said: I would love to leave my country. But what's the point in spending THOUSANDS to attempt to leave and only end up in another cesspool.
I am in the process of this. Yeah, it's tough and not easy. Also, no matter where you go you'll never escape America. There's McDonald's everywhere and as shitty as American movies and music are, people in other countries love it. That face when you leave the country you despise and hear people talk about how much they love it.
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Niffla said: Okay say basically you think the entire globe sucks, since in your world the country you live in sucks, and everywhere else is a "cesspool". Gotcha.
Can't run from yourself. People perceive the world as they perceive themselves.
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I know what you're trying to say but at a certain point that inner peace spirituality stuff isn't helpful. There are corrupt assholes out there and its not a problem of self image of the people they step on. There's genuine nasty shit going on and no amount of introspection or meditation is going to sort it out
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bukkake said: I am in the process of this. Yeah, it's tough and not easy. Also, no matter where you go you'll never escape America. There's McDonald's everywhere and as shitty as American movies and music are, people in other countries love it. That face when you leave the country you despise and hear people talk about how much they love it.
Lmao what a shitty reality you must live in day to day. You're so consumed with your hatred of America that you would allow it to haunt you no matter where you go in the world. I'm not suggesting you do this, but me personally, if I was consumed with that much hate to where I would go to, let's say Malaysia, and I was still pissed off and haunted by big, bad, evil, shitty America...I'd fucking off myself. Seriously.
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I never used the word hate or said I was consumed by anything.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Niffla]
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I was talking to my wife's Grandmother a few weeks ago and she got very sentimental describing her memories of the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed. She said there were lines up the road of people of all ages, colors, and levels of health signing up to go to war. That must have been a very different time for patriotism in America, as far as the level across the board of people wanting to do nothing other than give all for their country. In my life, I could only think that in the wake of 9-11 has there been any near parallel I believe being a proud American means feeling strongly about the ideals upon which this country was built It should have nothing to do with the politics any American finds disagreeable. I would think a lot of Shroomerites would feel the same way, since we are a people who seem to feel very strongly in regards to our personal liberties. That is much the same mindset of our founding fathers.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: bukkake]
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bukkake said: I never used the word hate or said I was consumed by anything.
Dude you just said that you could never "escape America" regardless of where you went in the world, because the sight alone of a McDonalds or an American movie or the mere sound of American music would never allow you to escape 
America haunts you. You're consumed. You're fucked. And I lol'd.
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You're reading too much into that, dude. Relax.
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bukkake said: I never used the word hate or said I was consumed by anything.
Dude you just said that you could never "escape America" regardless of where you went in the world, because the sight alone of a McDonalds or an American movie or the mere sound of American music would never allow you to escape 
America haunts you. You're consumed. You're fucked. And I lol'd.
As long as McDonalds in other countries serve Royales with cheese and eat fries with mayonnaise, one should feel very far from America
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Niffla]
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ShroomPuncher said: I would love to leave my country. But what's the point in spending THOUSANDS to attempt to leave and only end up in another cesspool.
Okay so basically you think the entire globe sucks, since in your world the country you live in sucks, and everywhere else is a "cesspool". Gotcha.
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And I'd say I have to disagree. A country is synonymous with it's government; regardless of changes over years. Country is nothing more than boundaries (which have been previously defined by a nation). Governement, or nation, is the governmental entity occupying those boundaries. It'd be more logical to say you appreciate the 'scenery' of a 'country' than to even say you're proud of the country itself. For example, I love the region I live in and am obliged to stay in because of legal restrictions, however, I do not extend that to it's people, government, or history. I just think it's puuuurtyyy.
So in order for one to have any level of pride and/or love for their country -- they must 100% love and agree with everything their government does?

A country is more than just a government & a region. A country is everything -- region, climate, the people, the culture, the food, the music, the entertainment, the government...it encompasses everything. Do you have to like everything to be patriotic? That's a really, really simplistic way of looking at it.
Yes, I define a country that is defined by it's laws, it's governance, and anything else that inhibits it's ability to grow and thrive (because that is how a country Is determined; it's government). And I didn't say you had to agree 100%. A country's development is COMPLETELY determined by it's laws or lack thereof. I don't favor big societies.
Lol, "I love America, but I hate these sets of laws". Who the fuck you think sets those laws? The people who rule the country you claim to be patriotic towards. Very similar to those on these forums who are opposed against the drug war, but still want certain drugs illegalized. Dafuq? So, no, I don't think the globe sucks. That's about the dumbest shit I heard all day and I live next to hicks. I think that any area of the world that insists on you cooperating with the government when you wish to do the opposite is shit. I have options of moving to more rural areas with waaaaay less governance but, then again, I don't have the money to even move outta the states.
Yeah, I hate America. By the end of next year, I'll have been on a state mandated probation / parole for about 7 years for victimless crimes. I hate statism. I hate the police state. I hate patriotic biggots who blame their lack of work on 'illegal immigrants'.
I'm on an Anarchist rant, now. But, really, how can you be 'somewhat patriotic'. "World War II was justified, but we'll leave all the recent drone bombings on the back burner for when I find a law I disagree with"
Lemme go ahead and move to Somalia hahaha
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Swyfty Swyf said: I was talking to my wife's Grandmother a few weeks ago and she got very sentimental describing her memories of the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed. She said there were lines up the road of people of all ages, colors, and levels of health signing up to go to war. That must have been a very different time for patriotism in America, as far as the level across the board of people wanting to do nothing other than give all for their country.
Ironic, because evidence has come forth that the American government was well aware of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen.
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I have a lot more pride in my state/region than in my country. I don't give a fuck what people 4000 miles away from me think or do regardless of what country they are in. This country is too big.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: fapjack]
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fapjack said: I have a lot more pride in my state/region than in my country. I don't give a fuck what people 4000 miles away from me think or do regardless of what country they are in. This country is too big.
Agreed. Though the Texas Government is ass backwards, the culture and people here are something I take pride in.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: bukkake]
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I just really dislike people who sit on the Internet talking shit about their country whom especially have never served in the military, voted, or done anything to 'help' the apparent 'broken system' that they bitch about. Bonus points if they receive state/federal $.
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Yeah that's what it is all about Nothing is perfect but America is still the best country in the world in my opinion I live in Alabama and there are plenty of folks here and everywhere else that are backwards I still am proud to live here and I love the beauty of the area & the culture worth appreciating
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pfxtc said: I just really dislike people who sit on the Internet talking shit about their country whom especially have never served in the military, voted, or done anything to 'help' the apparent 'broken system' that they bitch about. Bonus points if they receive state/federal $.
YESSS, this GUY!!! I was waiting for this. I dislike when people say I should put my life on the line for a war that is not defensive of it's nation at all. I'll be damned if I'm gonna go fight for a random foreign occupation that is irrelevant to my loved ones' safety. And besides, if voting changed anything, it'd be illegal. We're beyond that point. The system is broken. I don't believe it can be repaired and just participating in more statist actions to fix previously destroyed area of the nation doesn't fix shit.... especially when it's statists trying to fix statist shit. Let's move past the state fixing itself or us fixing it. Look at the state we live in (US). Police state, massive imprisonment, violent gangs, etc. All caused by the state.
Electing a new ruler every four years makes you no less a slave, son.
Hey, let's fix the system that we hate so fucking much by participating in it's inevitable destruction. hahahah.
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pfxtc said: I just really dislike people who sit on the Internet talking shit about their country whom especially have never served in the military, voted, or done anything to 'help' the apparent 'broken system' that they bitch about. Bonus points if they receive state/federal $.
YESSS, this GUY!!! I was waiting for this. I dislike when people say I should put my life on the line for a war that is not defensive of it's nation at all. I'll be damned if I'm gonna go fight for a random foreign occupation that is irrelevant to my loved ones' safety. And besides, if voting changed anything, it'd be illegal. We're beyond that point. The system is broken. I don't believe it can be repaired and just participating in more statist actions to fix previously destroyed area of the nation doesn't fix shit.... especially when it's statists trying to fix statist shit. Let's move past the state fixing itself or us fixing it. Look at the state we live in (US). Police state, massive imprisonment, violent gangs, etc. All caused by the state.
Electing a new ruler every four years makes you no less a slave, son.
Hey, let's fix the system that we hate so fucking much by participating in it's inevitable destruction. hahahah.
I'm not saying you HAVE to serve in the military to complain, but if you sit and bitch you should at least be an activist and/or vote, and/or do something besides bitch on Facebook about how much the country sucks. I am nobody's slave either, you're a lot more worried about a broken system then me - matter of fact I have a house over my head, pay my bills, and do whatever I want when I want - works out great. I'm not bitching at all.
Saying stuff like 'violent gangs' is caused by the state is a joke. We also don't live in a police state, move to an actually shitty country and it might open your eyes.
You're the guy Jello is singing about in this song:
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: pfxtc]
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I'm not bitching, either. Just pointing out facts. I don't believe voting to be a reasonable alternative to 'fix' what's broken. I am an activist. I've participated in a few protests. I've also seen how they do nothing. I have, however, seen more of an effect from direct action against entities that are considered to be tyrannical.
And brotha, if you pay taxes, you are a slave. If you don't pay taxes, eventually, the IRS will find you. If you don't pay the IRS for tax evasion, you can serve up to 5 years in federal penitentiary, not to mention the fines.
We're all extorted and I don't see a viable argument against that. Every ticket itself, even a minor infraction, is a slave ticket. You don't show or you FTA, you get incarcerated. You resist against what you consider to be an unnecessary act of aggression, get ready for death. Just sayin'.
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Then go live in the woods somewhere. Taxes build roads, schools, etc. I know they aren't used efficiently or wisely, that's impossible to argue - but at the same time, people aren't perfect, and no nation will ever be perfect. I find my access to safety, food, water, and shelter paramount over anything, and I get an excess of all these things - so I am happy .
The only solution you pose is anarchy, which would be interesting, but in a world of 7 billion people not really plausible. Interesting quote from Heinlein:
“A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as ‘state’ and ‘society’ and ‘government’ have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame… as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else. But being rational, he knows that not all individuals hold his evaluations, so he tries to live perfectly in an imperfect world…aware that his effort will be less than perfect yet undismayed by self-knowledge of self-failure.
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“My point is that one person is responsible. Always. [...] In terms of morals there is no such thing as ‘state.’ Just men. Individuals. Each responsible for his own acts.”
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“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”Freedom is a choice.
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pfxtc said: Then go live in the woods somewhere. Taxes build roads, schools, etc. I know they aren't used efficiently or wisely, that's impossible to argue - but at the same time, people aren't perfect, and no nation will ever be perfect. I find my access to safety, food, water, and shelter paramount over anything, and I get an excess of all these things - so I am happy .
The only solution you pose is anarchy, which would be interesting, but in a world of 7 billion people not really plausible.
The government extorts taxes to build roads through private companies, not actual government DOT or anything. If you refuse to take your kids to school, in most places in the US, they will be taken from you and put in another home or program. That is all along the lines of kidnap / extortion, literally. The state can't justify it, in my mind.
And I don't propose full-scale Anarchism. It can't happen. Too many people have been raised in a way (often DUE to state) to believe it's perfectly logical to harm one another for personal desires. Anarchism is, however, perfectly, achievable on a smaller scale. Many Anarchistic societies have sustained themselves in the past century, until government interference. Shit, even agriculture gave rise, we lived in egalitarian societies that were extremely sustainable, peaceful, and at ease.
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pfxtc said: I just really dislike people who sit on the Internet talking shit about their country whom especially have never served in the military, voted, or done anything to 'help' the apparent 'broken system' that they bitch about. Bonus points if they receive state/federal $.
How is serving in the military or voting going to fix our current system? I vote, but not because it will fix anything. The whole process is a huge waste of my time, but I'm an idealist so I have to vote. Me voting doesn't do shit. Serving in the military is really just contributing to the dysfunction of the world, so if anything that is the opposite of fixing the broken system.
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this is what i feel about patriotism

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Swyfty Swyf said: I was talking to my wife's Grandmother a few weeks ago and she got very sentimental describing her memories of the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed. She said there were lines up the road of people of all ages, colors, and levels of health signing up to go to war. That must have been a very different time for patriotism in America, as far as the level across the board of people wanting to do nothing other than give all for their country.
Ironic, because evidence has come forth that the American government was well aware of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen.

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ShroomPuncher said: Yes, I define a country that is defined by it's laws, it's governance, and anything else that inhibits it's ability to grow and thrive (because that is how a country Is determined; it's government). And I didn't say you had to agree 100%. A country's development is COMPLETELY determined by it's laws or lack thereof. I don't favor big societies.
Lol, "I love America, but I hate these sets of laws". Who the fuck you think sets those laws? The people who rule the country you claim to be patriotic towards.
So you can't be patriotic towards your people? Or your culture? It has to always go back to the government and who set the laws? That's what I was saying earlier about an infinite number of people out there on this planet today who don't agree with everything their respective governments do, but yet have deep pride and connection to their people and their culture. If you think "patriotism" is that black & white, to where it only means you support everything that your government does and what laws It creates -- then you're about as simple minded as it gets. You keep talking about how stupid those hicks are that live by you -- but all in all in reality you're every bit as simple minded and pea fucking brained as they are.
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So, no, I don't think the globe sucks. That's about the dumbest shit I heard all day and I live next to hicks.
You don't think that? But didn't you just say earlier that you're not going to move because "you're just going to end up in another cesspool"?
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I have options of moving to more rural areas with waaaaay less governance but, then again, I don't have the money to even move outta the states.
It's really not that hard, bro. I mean unless you're some burned out loser hippie with no job and no future, which you very well may be. Get a fucking job and save up instead of blowing all your money on getting high, and maybe you can take the fuck off on outta here. See I've been saving money annually for years now, and guess what, I can still blow money on getting high AND I could take the fuck off out of the country right now if I wanted to go that route.
Meanwhile you're the one bitching and whining about anybody even having the nerve to consider themselves patriotic -- yet you can't even move out of your own zip code let alone out of the country 
I'm done with you, dude. Waste of time. I hope those fucking rednecks piss you the fuck off some more so you can sit there in your shack all heated and angry, yet can't do shit about it with your broke ass
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pfxtc said: Then go live in the woods somewhere. Taxes build roads, schools, etc. I know they aren't used efficiently or wisely, that's impossible to argue - but at the same time, people aren't perfect, and no nation will ever be perfect. I find my access to safety, food, water, and shelter paramount over anything, and I get an excess of all these things - so I am happy .
The only solution you pose is anarchy, which would be interesting, but in a world of 7 billion people not really plausible.
The government extorts taxes to build roads through private companies, not actual government DOT or anything. If you refuse to take your kids to school, in most places in the US, they will be taken from you and put in another home or program. That is all along the lines of kidnap / extortion, literally. The state can't justify it, in my mind.
And I don't propose full-scale Anarchism. It can't happen. Too many people have been raised in a way (often DUE to state) to believe it's perfectly logical to harm one another for personal desires. Anarchism is, however, perfectly, achievable on a smaller scale. Many Anarchistic societies have sustained themselves in the past century, until government interference. Shit, even agriculture gave rise, we lived in egalitarian societies that were extremely sustainable, peaceful, and at ease.
My rebuttal is to not have kids - I think it's asinine to bring kids into a savage world like ours Anarchism can only last for a certain amount of time before power takes over - look at Germany circa WW1 and 2 - they were left in a near state of chaos and Hitler took over.
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pfxtc said: I just really dislike people who sit on the Internet talking shit about their country whom especially have never served in the military, voted, or done anything to 'help' the apparent 'broken system' that they bitch about. Bonus points if they receive state/federal $.
How is serving in the military or voting going to fix our current system? I vote, but not because it will fix anything. The whole process is a huge waste of my time, but I'm an idealist so I have to vote. Me voting doesn't do shit. Serving in the military is really just contributing to the dysfunction of the world, so if anything that is the opposite of fixing the broken system.
I didn't say it was gonna fix the system, of course that's ridiculous. I just don't like people who bitch about the military who were never in it I for example never killed any brown babies, though many people assume I eat them for breakfast since I'm a veteran. The bottom line is that 'freedom isn't free' as I'm sure you've heard, and without an active military this country would be taken over by other's who DO believe in such a thing. It's a necessary evil in a world of imperfect people.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Niffla]
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ShroomPuncher said: Yes, I define a country that is defined by it's laws, it's governance, and anything else that inhibits it's ability to grow and thrive (because that is how a country Is determined; it's government). And I didn't say you had to agree 100%. A country's development is COMPLETELY determined by it's laws or lack thereof. I don't favor big societies.
Lol, "I love America, but I hate these sets of laws". Who the fuck you think sets those laws? The people who rule the country you claim to be patriotic towards.
So you can't be patriotic towards your people? Or your culture? It has to always go back to the government and who set the laws? That's what I was saying earlier about an infinite number of people out there on this planet today who don't agree with everything their respective governments do, but yet have deep pride and connection to their people and their culture. If you think "patriotism" is that black & white, to where it only means you support everything that your government does and what laws It creates -- then you're about as simple minded as it gets. You keep talking about how stupid those hicks are that live by you -- but all in all in reality you're every bit as simple minded and pea fucking brained as they are.
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So, no, I don't think the globe sucks. That's about the dumbest shit I heard all day and I live next to hicks.
You don't think that? But didn't you just say earlier that you're not going to move because "you're just going to end up in another cesspool"?
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I have options of moving to more rural areas with waaaaay less governance but, then again, I don't have the money to even move outta the states.
It's really not that hard, bro. I mean unless you're some burned out loser hippie with no job and no future, which you very well may be. Get a fucking job and save up instead of blowing all your money on getting high, and maybe you can take the fuck off on outta here. See I've been saving money annually for years now, and guess what, I can still blow money on getting high AND I could take the fuck off out of the country right now if I wanted to go that route.
Meanwhile you're the one bitching and whining about anybody even having the nerve to consider themselves patriotic -- yet you can't even move out of your own zip code let alone out of the country 
I'm done with you, dude. Waste of time. I hope those fucking rednecks piss you the fuck off some more so you can sit there in your shack all heated and angry, yet can't do shit about it with your broke ass 
Don't burn out too quick, sweetheart. We haven't even begun. Patriotism is generally defined as an attachment or love for one's nation. Today, 'nation' is generally defined as a country. In the past, not so much so. It could include cultural aspects beyond the nation. Not so much now. And I love the assumption that you think I'm broke. I got a job. I make good money. I also have to pay half my paycheck to the state for victimless crimes that I was convicted of simply for being 'near' the person. Remember, you're on the Shroomery. I'd be willing to be most people here have committed crimes so let's not go down that route. Lots of assumptions on your end and no logic or valid points. Just callin' me broke haha. Yeah, if it's a nation, I don't support it. I'd move to it if it had less restrictions than the US, however, which is entirely subjective based on your lifestyle. I'll always say "fuck a state", but don't have many options to move out of a state, dipshit.
By your argument, it would seem that if one doesn't actively support a state, he's a broke fuck. Ohhh, this is great!
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: pfxtc]
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pfxtc said: Then go live in the woods somewhere. Taxes build roads, schools, etc. I know they aren't used efficiently or wisely, that's impossible to argue - but at the same time, people aren't perfect, and no nation will ever be perfect. I find my access to safety, food, water, and shelter paramount over anything, and I get an excess of all these things - so I am happy .
The only solution you pose is anarchy, which would be interesting, but in a world of 7 billion people not really plausible.
The government extorts taxes to build roads through private companies, not actual government DOT or anything. If you refuse to take your kids to school, in most places in the US, they will be taken from you and put in another home or program. That is all along the lines of kidnap / extortion, literally. The state can't justify it, in my mind.
And I don't propose full-scale Anarchism. It can't happen. Too many people have been raised in a way (often DUE to state) to believe it's perfectly logical to harm one another for personal desires. Anarchism is, however, perfectly, achievable on a smaller scale. Many Anarchistic societies have sustained themselves in the past century, until government interference. Shit, even agriculture gave rise, we lived in egalitarian societies that were extremely sustainable, peaceful, and at ease.
My rebuttal is to not have kids - I think it's asinine to bring kids into a savage world like ours Anarchism can only last for a certain amount of time before power takes over - look at Germany circa WW1 and 2 - they were left in a near state of chaos and Hitler took over.
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pfxtc said: I just really dislike people who sit on the Internet talking shit about their country whom especially have never served in the military, voted, or done anything to 'help' the apparent 'broken system' that they bitch about. Bonus points if they receive state/federal $.
How is serving in the military or voting going to fix our current system? I vote, but not because it will fix anything. The whole process is a huge waste of my time, but I'm an idealist so I have to vote. Me voting doesn't do shit. Serving in the military is really just contributing to the dysfunction of the world, so if anything that is the opposite of fixing the broken system.
I didn't say it was gonna fix the system, of course that's ridiculous. I just don't like people who bitch about the military who were never in it I for example never killed any brown babies, though many people assume I eat them for breakfast since I'm a veteran. The bottom line is that 'freedom isn't free' as I'm sure you've heard, and without an active military this country would be taken over by other's who DO believe in such a thing. It's a necessary evil in a world of imperfect people.
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pfxtc said: Then go live in the woods somewhere. Taxes build roads, schools, etc. I know they aren't used efficiently or wisely, that's impossible to argue - but at the same time, people aren't perfect, and no nation will ever be perfect. I find my access to safety, food, water, and shelter paramount over anything, and I get an excess of all these things - so I am happy .
The only solution you pose is anarchy, which would be interesting, but in a world of 7 billion people not really plausible.
The government extorts taxes to build roads through private companies, not actual government DOT or anything. If you refuse to take your kids to school, in most places in the US, they will be taken from you and put in another home or program. That is all along the lines of kidnap / extortion, literally. The state can't justify it, in my mind.
And I don't propose full-scale Anarchism. It can't happen. Too many people have been raised in a way (often DUE to state) to believe it's perfectly logical to harm one another for personal desires. Anarchism is, however, perfectly, achievable on a smaller scale. Many Anarchistic societies have sustained themselves in the past century, until government interference. Shit, even agriculture gave rise, we lived in egalitarian societies that were extremely sustainable, peaceful, and at ease.
My rebuttal is to not have kids - I think it's asinine to bring kids into a savage world like ours Anarchism can only last for a certain amount of time before power takes over - look at Germany circa WW1 and 2 - they were left in a near state of chaos and Hitler took over.
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I'm not saying I'd have kids. I'd be terrified for them. Besides, i'm too wild for 'em now. And Anarchism isn't synonymous with chaos. Government has killed FARRRRR more than any anarchistic society could even attempt to. Anarchism is simply a desire for a society free of rulers and oppression. It is quite achievable. Until a mod or admin steps in to dictate or otherwise censor this topic, this is Anarchism, in a sense. We are both freely speaking to one another without hierarchical interference... not that it doesn't happen on Shroomery, lol.
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Kinda off topic I guess but neither my wife or I ever want children . Future of humanity scares me.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: pfxtc]
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I don't blame ya. With my views and previous / somewhat current lifestyle, I wouldn't know what to do.
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ShroomPuncher said: I don't blame ya. With my views and previous / somewhat current lifestyle, I wouldn't know what to do.
See I'm boring and still don't want any
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Strong argument.
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