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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Niffla]
#22136323 - 08/24/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never used the word hate or said I was consumed by anything.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Niffla]
#22136331 - 08/24/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was talking to my wife's Grandmother a few weeks ago and she got very sentimental describing her memories of the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed. She said there were lines up the road of people of all ages, colors, and levels of health signing up to go to war. That must have been a very different time for patriotism in America, as far as the level across the board of people wanting to do nothing other than give all for their country. In my life, I could only think that in the wake of 9-11 has there been any near parallel I believe being a proud American means feeling strongly about the ideals upon which this country was built It should have nothing to do with the politics any American finds disagreeable. I would think a lot of Shroomerites would feel the same way, since we are a people who seem to feel very strongly in regards to our personal liberties. That is much the same mindset of our founding fathers.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: bukkake]
#22136349 - 08/24/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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bukkake said: I never used the word hate or said I was consumed by anything.
Dude you just said that you could never "escape America" regardless of where you went in the world, because the sight alone of a McDonalds or an American movie or the mere sound of American music would never allow you to escape 
America haunts you. You're consumed. You're fucked. And I lol'd.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Niffla]
#22136377 - 08/24/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're reading too much into that, dude. Relax.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Niffla]
#22136383 - 08/24/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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bukkake said: I never used the word hate or said I was consumed by anything.
Dude you just said that you could never "escape America" regardless of where you went in the world, because the sight alone of a McDonalds or an American movie or the mere sound of American music would never allow you to escape 
America haunts you. You're consumed. You're fucked. And I lol'd.
As long as McDonalds in other countries serve Royales with cheese and eat fries with mayonnaise, one should feel very far from America
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Niffla]
#22136394 - 08/24/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ShroomPuncher said: I would love to leave my country. But what's the point in spending THOUSANDS to attempt to leave and only end up in another cesspool.
Okay so basically you think the entire globe sucks, since in your world the country you live in sucks, and everywhere else is a "cesspool". Gotcha.
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And I'd say I have to disagree. A country is synonymous with it's government; regardless of changes over years. Country is nothing more than boundaries (which have been previously defined by a nation). Governement, or nation, is the governmental entity occupying those boundaries. It'd be more logical to say you appreciate the 'scenery' of a 'country' than to even say you're proud of the country itself. For example, I love the region I live in and am obliged to stay in because of legal restrictions, however, I do not extend that to it's people, government, or history. I just think it's puuuurtyyy.
So in order for one to have any level of pride and/or love for their country -- they must 100% love and agree with everything their government does?

A country is more than just a government & a region. A country is everything -- region, climate, the people, the culture, the food, the music, the entertainment, the government...it encompasses everything. Do you have to like everything to be patriotic? That's a really, really simplistic way of looking at it.
Yes, I define a country that is defined by it's laws, it's governance, and anything else that inhibits it's ability to grow and thrive (because that is how a country Is determined; it's government). And I didn't say you had to agree 100%. A country's development is COMPLETELY determined by it's laws or lack thereof. I don't favor big societies.
Lol, "I love America, but I hate these sets of laws". Who the fuck you think sets those laws? The people who rule the country you claim to be patriotic towards. Very similar to those on these forums who are opposed against the drug war, but still want certain drugs illegalized. Dafuq? So, no, I don't think the globe sucks. That's about the dumbest shit I heard all day and I live next to hicks. I think that any area of the world that insists on you cooperating with the government when you wish to do the opposite is shit. I have options of moving to more rural areas with waaaaay less governance but, then again, I don't have the money to even move outta the states.
Yeah, I hate America. By the end of next year, I'll have been on a state mandated probation / parole for about 7 years for victimless crimes. I hate statism. I hate the police state. I hate patriotic biggots who blame their lack of work on 'illegal immigrants'.
I'm on an Anarchist rant, now. But, really, how can you be 'somewhat patriotic'. "World War II was justified, but we'll leave all the recent drone bombings on the back burner for when I find a law I disagree with"
Lemme go ahead and move to Somalia hahaha
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Swyfty Swyf said: I was talking to my wife's Grandmother a few weeks ago and she got very sentimental describing her memories of the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed. She said there were lines up the road of people of all ages, colors, and levels of health signing up to go to war. That must have been a very different time for patriotism in America, as far as the level across the board of people wanting to do nothing other than give all for their country.
Ironic, because evidence has come forth that the American government was well aware of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen.
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I have a lot more pride in my state/region than in my country. I don't give a fuck what people 4000 miles away from me think or do regardless of what country they are in. This country is too big.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: fapjack]
#22136457 - 08/24/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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fapjack said: I have a lot more pride in my state/region than in my country. I don't give a fuck what people 4000 miles away from me think or do regardless of what country they are in. This country is too big.
Agreed. Though the Texas Government is ass backwards, the culture and people here are something I take pride in.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: fapjack]
#22136461 - 08/24/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, this area is pretty chill
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: bukkake]
#22136471 - 08/24/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just really dislike people who sit on the Internet talking shit about their country whom especially have never served in the military, voted, or done anything to 'help' the apparent 'broken system' that they bitch about. Bonus points if they receive state/federal $.
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Yeah that's what it is all about Nothing is perfect but America is still the best country in the world in my opinion I live in Alabama and there are plenty of folks here and everywhere else that are backwards I still am proud to live here and I love the beauty of the area & the culture worth appreciating
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: pfxtc]
#22136506 - 08/24/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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pfxtc said: I just really dislike people who sit on the Internet talking shit about their country whom especially have never served in the military, voted, or done anything to 'help' the apparent 'broken system' that they bitch about. Bonus points if they receive state/federal $.
YESSS, this GUY!!! I was waiting for this. I dislike when people say I should put my life on the line for a war that is not defensive of it's nation at all. I'll be damned if I'm gonna go fight for a random foreign occupation that is irrelevant to my loved ones' safety. And besides, if voting changed anything, it'd be illegal. We're beyond that point. The system is broken. I don't believe it can be repaired and just participating in more statist actions to fix previously destroyed area of the nation doesn't fix shit.... especially when it's statists trying to fix statist shit. Let's move past the state fixing itself or us fixing it. Look at the state we live in (US). Police state, massive imprisonment, violent gangs, etc. All caused by the state.
Electing a new ruler every four years makes you no less a slave, son.
Hey, let's fix the system that we hate so fucking much by participating in it's inevitable destruction. hahahah.
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pfxtc said: I just really dislike people who sit on the Internet talking shit about their country whom especially have never served in the military, voted, or done anything to 'help' the apparent 'broken system' that they bitch about. Bonus points if they receive state/federal $.
YESSS, this GUY!!! I was waiting for this. I dislike when people say I should put my life on the line for a war that is not defensive of it's nation at all. I'll be damned if I'm gonna go fight for a random foreign occupation that is irrelevant to my loved ones' safety. And besides, if voting changed anything, it'd be illegal. We're beyond that point. The system is broken. I don't believe it can be repaired and just participating in more statist actions to fix previously destroyed area of the nation doesn't fix shit.... especially when it's statists trying to fix statist shit. Let's move past the state fixing itself or us fixing it. Look at the state we live in (US). Police state, massive imprisonment, violent gangs, etc. All caused by the state.
Electing a new ruler every four years makes you no less a slave, son.
Hey, let's fix the system that we hate so fucking much by participating in it's inevitable destruction. hahahah.
I'm not saying you HAVE to serve in the military to complain, but if you sit and bitch you should at least be an activist and/or vote, and/or do something besides bitch on Facebook about how much the country sucks. I am nobody's slave either, you're a lot more worried about a broken system then me - matter of fact I have a house over my head, pay my bills, and do whatever I want when I want - works out great. I'm not bitching at all.
Saying stuff like 'violent gangs' is caused by the state is a joke. We also don't live in a police state, move to an actually shitty country and it might open your eyes.
You're the guy Jello is singing about in this song:
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: pfxtc]
#22136533 - 08/24/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not bitching, either. Just pointing out facts. I don't believe voting to be a reasonable alternative to 'fix' what's broken. I am an activist. I've participated in a few protests. I've also seen how they do nothing. I have, however, seen more of an effect from direct action against entities that are considered to be tyrannical.
And brotha, if you pay taxes, you are a slave. If you don't pay taxes, eventually, the IRS will find you. If you don't pay the IRS for tax evasion, you can serve up to 5 years in federal penitentiary, not to mention the fines.
We're all extorted and I don't see a viable argument against that. Every ticket itself, even a minor infraction, is a slave ticket. You don't show or you FTA, you get incarcerated. You resist against what you consider to be an unnecessary act of aggression, get ready for death. Just sayin'.
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Then go live in the woods somewhere. Taxes build roads, schools, etc. I know they aren't used efficiently or wisely, that's impossible to argue - but at the same time, people aren't perfect, and no nation will ever be perfect. I find my access to safety, food, water, and shelter paramount over anything, and I get an excess of all these things - so I am happy .
The only solution you pose is anarchy, which would be interesting, but in a world of 7 billion people not really plausible. Interesting quote from Heinlein:
“A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as ‘state’ and ‘society’ and ‘government’ have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame… as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else. But being rational, he knows that not all individuals hold his evaluations, so he tries to live perfectly in an imperfect world…aware that his effort will be less than perfect yet undismayed by self-knowledge of self-failure.
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“My point is that one person is responsible. Always. [...] In terms of morals there is no such thing as ‘state.’ Just men. Individuals. Each responsible for his own acts.”
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“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”Freedom is a choice.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: pfxtc]
#22136567 - 08/24/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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pfxtc said: Then go live in the woods somewhere. Taxes build roads, schools, etc. I know they aren't used efficiently or wisely, that's impossible to argue - but at the same time, people aren't perfect, and no nation will ever be perfect. I find my access to safety, food, water, and shelter paramount over anything, and I get an excess of all these things - so I am happy .
The only solution you pose is anarchy, which would be interesting, but in a world of 7 billion people not really plausible.
The government extorts taxes to build roads through private companies, not actual government DOT or anything. If you refuse to take your kids to school, in most places in the US, they will be taken from you and put in another home or program. That is all along the lines of kidnap / extortion, literally. The state can't justify it, in my mind.
And I don't propose full-scale Anarchism. It can't happen. Too many people have been raised in a way (often DUE to state) to believe it's perfectly logical to harm one another for personal desires. Anarchism is, however, perfectly, achievable on a smaller scale. Many Anarchistic societies have sustained themselves in the past century, until government interference. Shit, even agriculture gave rise, we lived in egalitarian societies that were extremely sustainable, peaceful, and at ease.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: pfxtc]
#22136568 - 08/24/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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pfxtc said: I just really dislike people who sit on the Internet talking shit about their country whom especially have never served in the military, voted, or done anything to 'help' the apparent 'broken system' that they bitch about. Bonus points if they receive state/federal $.
How is serving in the military or voting going to fix our current system? I vote, but not because it will fix anything. The whole process is a huge waste of my time, but I'm an idealist so I have to vote. Me voting doesn't do shit. Serving in the military is really just contributing to the dysfunction of the world, so if anything that is the opposite of fixing the broken system.
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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: pfxtc]
#22136571 - 08/24/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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this is what i feel about patriotism

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Swyfty Swyf said: I was talking to my wife's Grandmother a few weeks ago and she got very sentimental describing her memories of the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed. She said there were lines up the road of people of all ages, colors, and levels of health signing up to go to war. That must have been a very different time for patriotism in America, as far as the level across the board of people wanting to do nothing other than give all for their country.
Ironic, because evidence has come forth that the American government was well aware of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen.

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