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OfflineShroomPuncher
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Are you a patriot?
    #22135335 - 08/24/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm expecting many butthurts. I'm thinking of this from an American aspect. I've met soooo many motherfuckers who are patriotic as fuck, yet continue to not abide by laws set by their government. My favorite line is "I love my country. I hate my government", lolol. So, are you proud of your country? I can't say I'm proud or ashamed as I don't let that define me. I was just born in an area that has been defined as a nation by false geographical lines. Do you let your countries actions define yourself?


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #22135353 - 08/24/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not patriotic. Humans are humans. I will stand for humanity.
If my government behaved ethically then I would consider patriotism, but sadly that is far from reality.


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22135373 - 08/24/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Acaterpillar said:
I'm not patriotic. Humans are humans. I will stand for humanity.
If my government behaved ethically then I would consider patriotism, but sadly that is far from reality.




But even then. If they behaved ethically (which I think we'd both agree to be impossible), how could you claim pride of such a large entity? I mean, how many factors go into the creation of a government, ya know? I see all these Berntards who seem to act 'patriotic', yet even the man they support attempts to point out the fallacies of our current system (not that I agree with the fuck).

Personally, I find patriotism to be idiotic brainwash. "I'm proud of an area of mine that is governed by this certain entity which acts in ways that I deem as moral." Nawwhai'msayin?


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #22135392 - 08/24/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Personally, I find patriotism to be idiotic brainwash. "I'm proud of an area of mine that is governed by this certain entity which acts in ways that I deem as moral." Nawwhai'msayin?




I agree. I think patriotism can take different forms though. Some people could feel pride for the people and culture that occupies their country rather than their government.


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #22135411 - 08/24/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hell no. Also I'm Canadian so I mean, should I really cheer that we're currently managing to fuck up a country that was essentially good by default? Also I had jack shit to do with any of it, so what exactly is there for me to be proud of?
That's not to say I don't appreciate the benefits of living here, and that I wouldn't defend them if needed, but I don't think patriotism should enter into it.


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Ezuma]
    #22135416 - 08/24/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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ShroomPuncher said:
Personally, I find patriotism to be idiotic brainwash. "I'm proud of an area of mine that is governed by this certain entity which acts in ways that I deem as moral." Nawwhai'msayin?




I agree. I think patriotism can take different forms though. Some people could feel pride for the people and culture that occupies their country rather than their government.




Now that, I can entertain. I personally wouldn't consider it patriotism, though. I take pride in many people I associate with or even the culture created therein. And I'm an Anarchist lol.  :smile:


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Hell no. Also I'm Canadian so I mean, should I really cheer that we're currently managing to fuck up a country that was essentially good by default? Also I had jack shit to do with any of it, so what exactly is there for me to be proud of?
That's not to say I don't appreciate the benefits of living here, and that I wouldn't defend them if needed, but I don't think patriotism should enter into it.





So, if you disagree with your country's policies, brotha, why fight for it? I wanted long ago to fight for the US until I realized I wouldn't be fighting for the PEOPLE, but rather, the economical interests of the state.


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #22135421 - 08/24/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I wouldn't fight for my country in terms of in the army, not now anyways. I would however, in the right circumstances, defend policies and systems that I see as good. Sadly those are being crushed pretty steadily by Heir Harper. Sadly joining protests is a bit of a bad option these days if you want to be employed


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #22135423 - 08/24/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I love Murica mane!!!!

No I actually fucking hate the US. Think we are corrupt and our culture is fucked up and I hate patriotic people. I unfortunately live in a shitty area that everyone pretends to be a redneck and everyone acts all patriotic and says "Murica" and "Muryland" and shit. In reality my city is a bunch of poser fake redneck wannabes and the patriotic dickheads make our city look so fucking retarded.


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22135445 - 08/24/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ezuma said:
Oh I wouldn't fight for my country in terms of in the army, not now anyways. I would however, in the right circumstances, defend policies and systems that I see as good. Sadly those are being crushed pretty steadily by Heir Harper. Sadly joining protests is a bit of a bad option these days if you want to be employed





I feel ya on that! If you show any resistance, even peaceful, people like to jump and assume you're some ISIS provocateur or something haha. Personally, I'd fight for moral values, rather than extending it to the government and calling them policies. If my country was raided, I'd arm up and fight for my loved ones, but would still refuse to act as if I'm a supporter of our current system.


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I love Murica mane!!!!

No I actually fucking hate the US. Think we are corrupt and our culture is fucked up and I hate patriotic people. I unfortunately live in a shitty area that everyone pretends to be a redneck and everyone acts all patriotic and says "Murica" and "Muryland" and shit. In reality my city is a bunch of poser fake redneck wannabes and the patriotic dickheads make our city look so fucking retarded.




Hell yez! Got lots of alcoholic, law-breaking, 'patriotic' scum out here. Shit, if you gonna break the laws of a system you supposedly praise, why even support it. If you can't abide by their rulings, you clearly shouldn't even attempt to act as if you support them.

And I'm with you, comrade.

Fuck 'MURICA!


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22135857 - 08/24/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Xplicit RelapzZ said:
I love Murica mane!!!!

No I actually fucking hate the US. Think we are corrupt and our culture is fucked up and I hate patriotic people. I unfortunately live in a shitty area that everyone pretends to be a redneck and everyone acts all patriotic and says "Murica" and "Muryland" and shit. In reality my city is a bunch of poser fake redneck wannabes and the patriotic dickheads make our city look so fucking retarded.




I think American patriotism has been co opted and is basically nationalism with a nice dose of xenophobia tossed in for good measure. The thing about loving anything, even a country, is that for the good of that idea/person/object you are willing to completely honest about not only the triumphs but the weaknesses as well.

Too many so-called patriots love the United States the way a toddler loves its mother. The state is infallible, its decisions beyond question, its actions beyond reproach and when faced with aspects of the state that directly harm them, they can't fathom that the country may actually be set up to do this harm, that regardless of their so-called "love of country" the country doesn't love them back and, in fact, merely sees them as factors of production.

A healthy patriotism is capable of critical analysis and synthesis, not just blind slogans and knee-jerk reactionary tendencies.


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22135871 - 08/24/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am a patriot. I love my country and my country loves me. It's beautiful. We're gonna have kids soon.


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22135886 - 08/24/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not a patriot.

For most of my life asshats are in power, elected by apparently a population largely consisting of asshats, who utterly ruined the cuntry I grew up in. Socially. Environmentally. Economically.


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Asante]
    #22135892 - 08/24/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not a patriot.

For most of my life asshats are in power, elected by apparently a population largely consisting of asshats, who utterly ruined the cuntry I grew up in. Socially. Environmentally. Economically.




I'm forcing you to hang out with me when I move to Zwolle.


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Patlal]
    #22135897 - 08/24/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I am a patriot. I love my country and my country loves me. It's beautiful. We're gonna have kids soon.




Can I name one of them?


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22135900 - 08/24/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/magazine/the-making-of-a-president.html?_r=0

Asante would never survive there.  He is completely dependent on the state.


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22135932 - 08/24/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I am a patriot. I love my country and my country loves me. It's beautiful. We're gonna have kids soon.




Can I name one of them?




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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22135933 - 08/24/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Damn, ya'll are on point! I was expecting some ex Navy Seal to come in and merc me with 'murica bullets.


A country's actions are defined by those that rule it. I always find it sadly funny when people talk about how they love their country, but hate their government. "But the constitution!", lol. If you align with a country and support statism, you should be willing to accept criticism from the apoliticals.


Let's talk about flag burning!!


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #22135949 - 08/24/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Let's talk about flag burning!!




I don't really see the point in it. It just seems like trolling TBH. Whenever they show video clips of people burning the American flag I'm always like "...okay...so?" But it certainly riles some folks up. *Kanye shrug*


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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22135977 - 08/24/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not patriotic. Humans are humans. I will stand for humanity.
If my government behaved ethically then I would consider patriotism, but sadly that is far from reality.




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Re: Are you a patriot? [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #22135984 - 08/24/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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ShroomPuncher said:
Damn, ya'll are on point! I was expecting some ex Navy Seal to come in and merc me with 'murica bullets.


A country's actions are defined by those that rule it. I always find it sadly funny when people talk about how they love their country, but hate their government. "But the constitution!", lol. If you align with a country and support statism, you should be willing to accept criticism from the apoliticals.


Let's talk about flag burning!!



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