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    #22135266 - 08/24/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Peyote Grafts [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22135419 - 08/24/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sound.

Mescaline is a very interesting substance. Haven't tried it yet but definitely LOOKING FORWARD...
Must be awesummm :smile:


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Re: Peyote Grafts [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22138506 - 08/25/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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P.Zappatecorum said:However, my bloated pereskiopsis balloons weighed around 250g total fresh, and dried down to only 8g of material.  That is only 3% dried material from the total weight of fresh material, meaning that you will need over 6 times more fresh pereskiopsis grafts to attain the same amount of dried material as older, stouter and mature plants. 




I've found loph grafts to dry down to an average of 8% (more than some seed grown and cloned trichs), and subjectively estimate they were only around 1% mescaline content at this age. These were grown for a year, degrafted, then tried a few months later. Around half of them were mature enough to flower and all at least 4cm diameter.



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Re: Peyote Grafts [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #22143644 - 08/25/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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P.Zappatecorum said:However, my bloated pereskiopsis balloons weighed around 250g total fresh, and dried down to only 8g of material.  That is only 3% dried material from the total weight of fresh material, meaning that you will need over 6 times more fresh pereskiopsis grafts to attain the same amount of dried material as older, stouter and mature plants. 




I've found loph grafts to dry down to an average of 8% (more than some seed grown and cloned trichs), and subjectively estimate they were only around 1% mescaline content at this age. These were grown for a year, degrafted, then tried a few months later. Around half of them were mature enough to flower and all at least 4cm diameter.





How many doses did that many cacti yield?


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Re: Peyote Grafts [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22143685 - 08/25/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just wondering..how does a pure bridgesii trip compare to your trips that were apparently part peyote, in your experience? Excuse me for derailing


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Re: Peyote Grafts [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22143819 - 08/25/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've never had mescaline of any sort actually.  This will be my first trip.  I hope I harvested enough for a decent run, I ended up only getting 10g dry peyote and 10g dry bridgesii.  Almost done making some tar with an IPA extract, looks like it should be at least 2g.   

MostlyHarmless, are you guessing your yotes are 1% mescaline from dry weight or fresh?


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Re: Peyote Grafts [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22150859 - 08/27/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How many doses did that many cacti yield?




The majority went in the blender after pulling out the tufts :grin:

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MostlyHarmless, are you guessing your yotes are 1% mescaline from dry weight or fresh?




Dry.

I kept note of some weights/sizes of a few pulled at random :
33mm weighed 15g
42mm weighed 27g
43mm weighed 34g
50mm weighed 48g

They then dried to approx 8% of those weights.

After growing for a year under CFL, the ones that flowered, collectively returned more seed than was initially sowed for this experiment. They can be pushed to flowering in 4-6 months fairly easily but seed yield per fruit averaged lower than usual when left to self pollinate.


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Re: Peyote Grafts [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #22151449 - 08/27/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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P.Zappatecorum said:
How many doses did that many cacti yield?




The majority went in the blender after pulling out the tufts :grin:

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P.Zappatecorum said:
MostlyHarmless, are you guessing your yotes are 1% mescaline from dry weight or fresh?




Dry.

I kept note of some weights/sizes of a few pulled at random :
33mm weighed 15g
42mm weighed 27g
43mm weighed 34g
50mm weighed 48g

They then dried to approx 8% of those weights.

After growing for a year under CFL, the ones that flowered, collectively returned more seed than was initially sowed for this experiment. They can be pushed to flowering in 4-6 months fairly easily but seed yield per fruit averaged lower than usual when left to self pollinate.




Sorry for kind of going off topic here. Do the specimens pushed to maturity exhibit the same fitness as those grown naturally? Could seed producing specimen be reintroduced into the wild? Would they be viable themselves and would they produce viable offspring?


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Re: Peyote Grafts [Re: healing]
    #22155585 - 08/28/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see why not.  The only issue is that de-grafted plants lack the large taproot of naturally grown plants, so they are more tolerant of wet conditions but cannot survive prolonged droughts the way a plant with a large, intact tap-root can.


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Re: Peyote Grafts [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22157885 - 08/28/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't see why not.  The only issue is that de-grafted plants lack the large taproot of naturally grown plants, so they are more tolerant of wet conditions but cannot survive prolonged droughts the way a plant with a large, intact tap-root can.




That is a no to the main question, though. They are not equally fit. Thank you for the info.


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Re: Peyote Grafts [Re: healing]
    #22158768 - 08/28/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you never grafted or trimmed the tap root they would be, it's just that in cultivation people tend to graft to speed things up or trim the tap root as the pot needed for a full sized taproot is ridiculous and an intact root increases the susceptibility to rot. 

Basically, the specimens suited to growing in captivity are going to be less successful in the wild and vice versa.  If you were planning on reintroducing plants back to the wild you could definitely do that, you'd just need to avoid grafting and leave the roots intact.


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