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Wave of terror - advice?
    #22134816 - 08/24/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hi Everyone,

Before we get into this, I need to confess that I have been tripping 3-6 grams every weekend for the past few months.  Haven't really had any problems other than slight tolerance... until recently.

I'm starting to have these crazy thoughts while tripping lately that spark a bad trip.  For instance, I somehow convince myself that there is something wrong with me (such as stroke, MS, bad heart, cancer, etc.).  I have no real symptoms that indicate such illnesses, but I seem to thoroughly convince myself that something is wrong while tripping.  And I can't stop doing it!

On top of that, I have these panic attack-like feelings that come over me in waves while tripping.  Its like waves of pure terror and panic that consume me for a brief sec and then it goes away.  Anybody ever have these feelings during a trip.

And the scariest thing is "fear of my death".  I've never been one to fear death and I'm not religious, but these last few trips are really fucking with me.  I start thinking that I could die any second and complete fear of my own death grips me.  Its wonderfully bizarre.  I literally just sit on my couch and am completely stricken with fear over death.  Its like I feel that I'm close to death and theres nothing I can do.

Of course, once the trip goes away these feelings all go away as well.  Like I said, I've been tripping weekly for over a month and its always been blissful until recently.  I've tried to change set and setting, but maybe I just need to step away for a while.

Do you guys think its just a result of tripping too often?  How can one overcome this fear of death?  Will the trip become more enjoyable if I take a break for a while?  Has anyone ever felt the "wave of terror" come on during a trip?

Thanks everyone.  Hearing your personal experiences makes me feel a bit better about this.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: bsfurr]
    #22134907 - 08/24/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

definitly felt that a couple time with a so so setting and high doses. sometime its not just my personal health but also others health or my animals health. when it happens i try to say to my self ,youre just tripping, the drug you done is really safe, everything is ok and i try to occupy myself. play an instruments ,pet my animals, talk to people i also keep a benzo on hands (never took it, i keep it for emergency only)

it got out of hands once on a epic PE solo trip wasnt prepared for that at all ,comming back from OBE was lying in my bed stuck in loops thinking i had broke my mind ,or that i had experienced a psychotic episode (but finnaly i was just trippin :lol: just didnt know lvl 5 was that fucked up)

:suffermanly:. was so scared almost called the cops on my self rofl


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: bsfurr]
    #22136060 - 08/24/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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bsfurr said:

Do you guys think its just a result of tripping too often? 




How will you find out?  By asking or by cutting back and seeing what happens?


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: champinhom]
    #22136146 - 08/24/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, Im going to take a long break and see what happens.  I figured it was my brain being stressed by tripping too often.  Just wanted to get some feedback from the community.

Thanks!


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: bsfurr]
    #22136237 - 08/24/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You could try adding some Lemon Balm tea to the mix, or smoke on some Skullcap, both relieve anxiety, relax you and help ease your mind so you can get into a good place. I've never really had a difficult or bad Ayahuasca experience when Lemon Balm was in the mix, and it doesn't seem dull things down at all imo but it does kinda change the experience a bit but that can probably be worked out by adjusting the dosage. I myself take anywhere from 2 to 4 grams of dried Lemon Balm (bought online), usually i stick with 2 or 3 grams though, but the freshly dried Lemon Balm leaves will be a bit stronger than the stuff you find online so perhaps 1 to 2 grams will be good. As for the Skullcap, i haven't had much experience with it, but i did take a few puffs of it a time or two during a difficult experience and it did seem to put my mind at ease, though i can't remember if it dulled down the experience at all. Another option would be some Amanitas, low dose probably, that could also probably help.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: bsfurr]
    #22137584 - 08/24/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've had similar experiences, both convincing myself that something is physically wrong, the waves of terror, the feeling of imminent death...

There's a few ways I try and psych myself out of this:

One way is simply to say to myself "fuck it, whatever happens, happens". Instead of trying to convince myself that everything's OK, I just treat my body almost like a separate entity that can take care of itself. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that your continued existence and physical wellbeing relies on a conscious mental effort.....as though the trip could snuff you out the moment you give in to it. Remember that the trip is within your mind and you are a little bit dissociated from your body.

The physical sensation of the trip, the body load, can be quite strong all the same, especially during the onset. This can escalate into panic about tiny physical symptoms. If I get that panic feeling of imminent death, I just wait for it to happen, and wait.... "I'm still here!". It soon starts to seem ridiculous, and I calm down.

If the trip gets really strong and escalates towards oblivion, that can also feel like death approaching. I find I can accept this more readily during a strong trip because it feels like consciousness is something separating from my physical body, that this consciousness will continue after the approaching "death". It's a bit delusional, but it does sometimes feel like the trip is navigating towards and through death, and it's better to just "go with it".

Within the trip itself, death is nothing to fear. Perhaps you are on the borderline where it would be more comfortable to let the waves consume you instead of resisting them.:mushroom2:

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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: bsfurr]
    #22138265 - 08/24/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mushrooms show you what you need to work on.  Draw your own conclusions about how to work with this "terror" you're describing...  It's a common enough experience though, probably why a lot of people go on to become convinced (during the trip) that they've actually died.  Meanwhile, their brain keeps working.  It's just empty panic, if you want to avoid it I find it really helps to get into the best physical shape you can manage - then not only do you KNOW you're not dying, you can just shrug it off. :lol:

But since you seem to think you're tripping too often start with that.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22139647 - 08/25/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for all the advice everyone!  I have been analyzing the feelings for weeks now trying to understand what they might mean.  I'm going to take a break for a while and then meditate before dosing again.  I'm hoping that calming my mind and body down before dosing will relieve the stress.

My last trip, I think I was anticipating bad feelings, which led to the bad trip.  I'll look into all the methods everyone described above.  This has been extremely helpful.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: bsfurr]
    #22139731 - 08/25/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It may seem counter intuitive, but a larger dose where you cannot "resist" the feeling may be helpful. Once you've experienced "death" you will learn it's nothing to be afraid of.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22144453 - 08/26/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Long is the night, to those who are awake.
Long is a mile, to those who are tired.
Long is life, to the foolish who don't know the true law.

-- Dhammapada

The Mushroom was showing you something.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22144457 - 08/26/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It may seem counter intuitive, but a larger dose where you cannot "resist" the feeling may be helpful. Once you've experienced "death" you will learn it's nothing to be afraid of.




Absolutely!


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #22144678 - 08/26/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP is having trouble with 3-6 gram trips & the suggestion is to dose higher... :facepalm3: If he starts fighting a trip on an even higher dose he'll probably go into fight or flight mode & trash his whole house.

OP, you ever thought that maybe you're just taking too much..? 3-6 grams is a moderate-heavy dose. Try taking a 2 week or month break & dose 2 grams of mushrooms. That is my suggestion.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22144801 - 08/26/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just sharing my experience.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22144966 - 08/26/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Often times when people experience a severe fear of death while tripping, it's because they're experiencing a significant degree of ego loss and they weren't prepared for it, so they resist, which is a guaranteed bad time.

I find the best way, for me to minimize anxiety is to remember to trust "sober me". I wouldn't have taken it if something bad would happen, I'm doing my best to resolve any life problems I have, etc.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22145063 - 08/26/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

True. I'm sorry man.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22145357 - 08/26/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I've definitely had waves of terror before, mostly related to the colossal mushrooms mindfuck I can get at higher doses. I'm conditioning myself to enjoy the mindfuck nowadays though rather than try to "overcome" or "beat" it. I've got it to the point now where I can laugh uproariously at how confused I get during a higher dose :lol:

^ Less terror that way :biggrin:

You'll be good OP. Your post made me curious about Magic mushrooms causing death. It looks like there are only two known Pharmacological cases:

Anonymous Female, 2012: Death my Cardiac Arrest after ingesting Magic mushrooms. Blood concentration of 30 mg/L Psilocin. Assuming 5 liters of blood in the average human adult, this represents a dose of AT LEAST 150mg of psilocin. A standard level 5 trip is approximately 50mg and a level 1 trip is approximately 10mg. Extrapolating this gives an equivalent trip strength of Level 15 AT least based on this scale. The only other drug detected in the woman's system was 4 mg/L of Tetrahydrocannabinol.


Anonymous Female, 1996: Death by somnolence and convulsions 6-8 hours into a Magic Mushroom trip. Blood concentration of 4,000 mg/L Psilocin. Assuming 5 liters of blood in the average human adult, this represents a dose of AT LEAST 20,000 mg of psilocin. A standard level 5 trip is approximately 50mg and a level 1 trip is approximately 10mg. Extrapolating this gives an equivalent trip strength of Level 2000 AT least based on this scale. WOW

Source: Erowid

So 2 deaths from hundreds of millions of doses in recorded history. If you're a betting man OP I'd say you'd take those odds every time :crazy2:


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22146185 - 08/26/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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OP is having trouble with 3-6 gram trips & the suggestion is to dose higher... :facepalm3: If he starts fighting a trip on an even higher dose he'll probably go into fight or flight mode & trash his whole house.

OP, you ever thought that maybe you're just taking too much..? 3-6 grams is a moderate-heavy dose. Try taking a 2 week or month break & dose 2 grams of mushrooms. That is my suggestion.




Psychedelics are for inner wisdom and healing. While you want to have a fun and research trip, sometimes you need to heal, and sometimes you need to go through dark times. It is likely that until you do not go through it, you will never heal it. Your ego could block you from this, but with a higher dose, you will kill your ego and so you will go through your mental surgery... sure, you might have a hard time, but it is best for the long run.

I am doing an aya retreat in less than a month, and I know before hand that I am going to release a lot and a good part of the trip (or maybe the whole first night) will kick my ass very hard. Then, probably the second night is gonna be awesome... but who knows... I do not go with preconcibed ideas... I am just saying that sometimes you need to force it out.


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Re: Wave of terror - advice? [Re: bsfurr]
    #22147287 - 08/26/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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bsfurr said:
... I've never been one to fear death  ...




The shroom may be trying to tell you that, contrary to what you feel in everyday life, you do fear death a lot more than you know.

I would suggest approaching this fear of death thing head on in everyday sober life too. Then, when you have a new and conscious angle on this problem in your normal state, go back to the altered states. Ask the shroom for its response. It may surprise or even reward you. It is, after all, some kind of dialogue between your conscious and your deeper self.

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