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truffleupagus


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Likely Gymnopilus
#22134719 - 08/24/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm pretty confident these are Gyms based on smell and the fact they were growing in a cluster from the base of a standing but dead tree. Spore print is a little darker than what I've seen with others but I think it's within reason still. Wondering if anyone could ID to species or would that require microscopy?


Thanks for any help!
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Spxck
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Those look like gyms to me, possibly lutes
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truffleupagus


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Re: Likely Gymnopilus [Re: Spxck]
#22134945 - 08/24/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks.
The lutes I've found in the past have always been more yellow. But clearly these guys were a little on the old side. So you might be right on that.
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MidnightCity
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Gyms usually require micro for a species level ID. That being said the spore deposit on the cap makes me wonder if these aren't Pholiota.
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truffleupagus


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Would any Pholiota have a similar Gym smell to someone familiar with Gyms though?
If so, can you suggest any other way to differentiate?
Spore print did seem dark but I'm thinking that could be due to the heaviness of it.
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truffleupagus


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I honestly think they're Gyms. But I'm also not just looking for people to agree with me. Would rather have clarification even if that means they're not.
Would smell and/or taste be my best bets to distinguish?
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maynardjameskeenan
The white stipes



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The spores look too dark for a Gymnopilus IMO. Do you have any close up pictures of the stem? Are they scaly?
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truffleupagus


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Sorry it's a little shadowy.
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MidnightCity
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A proper spore print on a white sheet of paper would help.
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/spore_print.html
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truffleupagus


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They're pretty dry at this point. I'll see what I can do.
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maynardjameskeenan
The white stipes



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Are they maggoty? kinda looks like there are some worm holes in them. I think that they could be a Gymnopilus.
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RuralAnomaly
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if anyone cares what i think, i'm leaning Pholiota too.
OP, if you wet a cap, does it get gummy?
it should work for even kinda dry ones if its pholiota, they're often tacky
not sure if that is a definitive test but it might sway the consensus one way or another?
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truffleupagus


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Yeah, spore print attempt didn't go too well. Put a couple medium sized caps under a large bowl with a moist cotton ball. Nothing. But they were rehydrated a bit. So I took the cotton ball out, figuring I'll check again later.
They were actually surprisingly free of hitchhikers, despite the less than perfect appearance. Also, they don't seem to get tacky when the caps are moistened.
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truffleupagus


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Possibly my best bet at a spore print on paper:

I just took the dried cap that had the deposit on it and smudged it hoping to get an idea of how it would look if it was less heavy.
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MidnightCity
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Those look too dark to be Gymnopilus but then again it's not a proper spore print. The spore prints in this post are what they should look like if they are Gyms: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22135511#22135511
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truffleupagus


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I do very much appreciate the help I've received in this thread. At the same time, I'm noticing the genus page on mushroom expert says that a Gym spore print can range from orange to orange brown or rusty brown.
Here's a picture that I think any TI would positively identify as Gyms:
 And I'm pretty positive this is the print from said mushrooms:

Granted, that's not really a proper print either, given that the caps were not laid flat.
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truffleupagus


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Just having a hard time believing this is our best way to differentiate when it seems like the spore colors of Pholiota and Gymnopilus have some overlap.
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Thayendanegea
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I think the only reliable spore print is on the mushroom itself in the first pics. They look pretty brown there. The bottom line is that you have two TI's telling you they are probably a pholiota ...some are toxic. Is it worth the chance?
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truffleupagus


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You're right. I'm being stubborn.
Just something about a 7 mile hike, I guess.
Did find a really nice lobstah too, though.
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