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markmckaytnt
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Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush
#22133953 - 08/24/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi all... I just dunked my PF Cakes after a 3rd flush and forgot about them for 48hours... Oooop!.... ...
Anyway, I have a few trays fruiting so I thought I'd mess about a bit.
I got an 8 by 5 by 2 inch black plastic tray and put 1 centimetre of wet Perlite in the bottom and crumbled the 5 quite small cakes over the top and then cased with about 3/4 of a centimetre of 50/50 Verm and Coir on top...

Empty Case

Perlite Added

Cakes Crumbled

50/50 Verm & Coco Coir Casing on top

Wrapped with foil ready to Incubate
The cakes were very damp but smelled very mushroomy when crumbled so its worth a try...
The strain is Ecuador Cubensis...
Taken 2 trips of 3g then 3.5g dry and both very good. I've had better visuals in the past but still very good...
Got some nice prints so well worth the effort...
I'm gonna incubate the crumbled cakes for 5 days and stick in the terrarium...
Pictures up soon if they fruit....
Wish me look fellow Shroomers
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: markmckaytnt]
#22133959 - 08/24/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good luck
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: markmckaytnt] 2
#22133961 - 08/24/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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markmckaytnt said: I got an 8 by 5 by 2 inch black plastic tray and put 1 centimetre of wet Perlite in the bottom and crumbled the 5 quite small cakes over the top and then cased with about 3/4 of a centimetre of 50/50 Verm and Coir on top...
That is not a casing, nor is it a casing layer.......that is a layered uncased bulk substrate sitting on perlite.....that is all.....a casing layer does not go on the substrate until it is fully colonized, and we do no call spawning to a bulk sub "cased" or "a casing"......that is the wrong term.
Secondly perlite is not part of the substrate, at all.....period. It should never go in the substrate
It is only used to humidify a SGFC......you do not have a SGFC, so you do not need perlite yet.....
You should have used verm, and u should have mixed the cakes in, not layered them.
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markmckaytnt said: I'm gonna incubate the crumbled cakes for 5 days and stick in the terrarium...
Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.
Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.
Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.
P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.
Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.
You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.
You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.
Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.
Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.
The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 83F , and contams thrive.
Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.
Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years. Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger. RR
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Edited by PussyFart (08/24/15 05:15 AM)
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: PussyFart]
#22139915 - 08/25/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pussyfart!... Thank you for your reply...
I've grown these for years and know the script...
The substrate was full colonised a few weeks ago...
I decided to 'mess about a bit' with the cakes after the 3rd flush but thanks for your comment...
The advice you give is fully valid for anybody new to growing these little fella's.......
BTW I have used Perlite as a bottom layer with very good results everytime...
I find that when in a tray with pf cake crumbled on top and 50/50 Verm/Coir 'Casing/Topping' layer that quite big shrooms pop up real quick and they are quite heavy in weight...
I think the perlite causes quite a high humidity above a tray...
BTW the mycelium is already popping through to casing today after about 24 hours or so, so there maybe life left in the old dog a pf cake...
Further comments welcomed...
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: markmckaytnt]
#22139918 - 08/25/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks DustJuice
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: markmckaytnt]
#22139931 - 08/25/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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BTW PussyFart...
You colonise at 70f and fruit at 80f
I normally colonise around 80f and fruit at 70f...
Have you found a new technique that is completely opposite to all my years of growing knowledge?...
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: markmckaytnt]
#22140142 - 08/25/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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markmckaytnt said: BTW I have used Perlite as a bottom layer with very good results everytime...
You would have gotten the same results without it.....it added nothing....
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markmckaytnt said: I think the perlite causes quite a high humidity above a tray...
It can't, there is no airflow......perlite does not soak up water, it is a rock, water sits on it's very porus surface and slowly evaporates off over time, given proper air flow around it....
You are covering all of it up with substrate material....it adds nothing to the top of the tray.
SGFCs have holes under and all around the perlite, so it can perform as intended.
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markmckaytnt said: BTW PussyFart...
You colonise at 70f and fruit at 80f
I normally colonise around 80f and fruit at 70f...
Have you found a new technique that is completely opposite to all my years of growing knowledge?...
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I never said I do that....I said you COULD do that....
Temp drop doesn't effect pinning, there is no need for a temp drop.
My temps stay constant.
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Edited by PussyFart (08/25/15 10:26 AM)
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: PussyFart]
#22140584 - 08/25/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've trayed out spent cakes before... wasn't really worth the time and effort for the space used in fruiting chamber, but if you have nothing else going on why not.
The bottom perilite layer is definitely weird, but if it's worked for you in the past with good results why not.
I think I notice faster colonization in high 70's rather than low 70's but maybe its not true.
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: newrook]
#22220023 - 09/11/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey there!... Just a few pics from the grow... Fruited but not that many shrooms lol... but got a trips worth and there are hundreds of knots and pins so gonna give it a 5th flush lol!...
The biggest shroom was 14.5g, not bad for an Ecuador I think and 41.1 grams wet total ...
Also posted a few pics below from other trays...
Trip on folks!...

Corn Tek 2nd Flush

D-Casing
Opened after 2 weeks of incubation... Turned upside down and cased 50/50 mix... Didn't get a lot of shroomage but there is hundreds of knots n pins... 3 shrooms grew together and are big and identical in size... Will post 2nd flush pics...

Finally the total of my harvest today and some I got drying out!...

BTW all my shrooms are Ecuadorian and the perlite bottom layer kept the substrate wet and the top layer moist without spraying!...
Trip on dudes!...
Edited by markmckaytnt (09/11/15 03:55 AM)
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: markmckaytnt]
#22220079 - 09/11/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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out of pure curiosity ima try this after my next flush... mainly to see if anything will happen... my first 2 flushes were around 15.3 grams but i suffocated them for a week... before my first flush... which thanks to you guys i was able to correct and get decent flushes for my first grow. but it looks like my third is going to me tiny... maybe 7g. ill post in a few weeks once the next flush is done and the tray is ready... im really enjoying this new hobby and experimenting makes it a lil more exciting.
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: xpsprogamer]
#22220339 - 09/11/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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BTW. I half filled the tray with water to soak overnight in the terrarium and will drain it tomorrow... just ate the flush fresh and they were really strong... oooosh!... Stronger than the first flush by far!... I did eat all 41 grams though!...
Very colourful and bendy shapes!...
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: xpsprogamer]
#22220346 - 09/11/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Give it a try bro... Everyone says use Vermiculite on the bottom but I find Perlite is better!... Everyone has there own opinion on this but I find it works for me!...
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: markmckaytnt]
#22220431 - 09/11/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey I'm a bit of a noob and have never seen this before. I'm just thinking I might try this after my second flush. What exactly is coco coir? I've never heard of it but it looks like you had good results hey. Does it provide more food for the shrooms? I only got 5 on each cake in my first flush and they aren't that big so willing to try anything really.
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: Berthamertha]
#22220600 - 09/11/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Might just have to try this, thanks for the idea!
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: Berthamertha]
#22225609 - 09/12/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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coco coir is husk from a coconut... it comes in blocks and you soak it to expand it... Its sold as bedding for reptiles and can be obtained from all pet stores in UK...
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: Berthamertha]
#22225622 - 09/12/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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when you break up the cakes you expose more of the cake so the mycelium starts re-colonising the uncovered bits... a lot of people use a cheese grater to break up the cakes... The 50/50 mix just gives a better environment for the mushrooms to grow larger and get less aborts.
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Re: Casing PF Cakes after the 3rd Flush [Re: markmckaytnt]
#22244303 - 09/16/15 02:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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2nd flush on D-Casing...
Not to bad... Had a few lines of aborts... quite weird!...
56.9 grams wet

The PF Tek Cake casing is just about to flush tomorrow I think and will post pics...
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