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Drmantus
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HBWR Under Your Tongue
#22133928 - 08/24/15 04:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am new with working with HBWR. I have done a little reading around here and have not found much. Everyone is all concerned with extracting and processing and over processing
I can't say i am experienced i tried 5 yesterday chewed and swallowed, 2 issues massive body load and nausea. i don't mind the body load but combined with nausea is not fun.
But this was a test 5 seeds showed enough effect i felt i was tripping not mushroom tripping but i was there. and with maybe 10 seeds i could see positive effects.
there are a lot of people i see eat a whole bunch of seeds with all this expectation of a hard trip and complain that nothing happened.
A trip is a trip no matter what you decide to take from it.
But how can i rid of this nausea i seen someone soak them in lemon juice and reported no nausea. What is the reasoning behind this does the acid just help with the process of breaking down so it's not just churning in your stomach?
When placing seeds under tongue 20min or whatever and then spitting out have you found this to be effective. Any way to not have those seeds sitting in my stomach would be better for me and my body.
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Lord_DankPot
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Re: HBWR Under Your Tongue [Re: Drmantus]
#22134005 - 08/24/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I must say, I've tried sublingual absorption of lysergamides before, and the only substance worthy of a mention (in my experience) for this ROA is LSD. I've grown morning glories every year for the past 3 years, and I always trip them once or twice in the fall. Psychologically, the trip is very beneficial and seems to get me "back to baseline" with reality. This is the only reason why I consider it psychedelic (all others, to me, are stimulating and the visuals usually are a prominent aspect; neither occurs with the LSA-containing plants with me).
The method that I have found which is the LEAST sedative (though still present), is the consumption of un-ripened morning glory (heavenly blue) still encapsulated in their seed pods. If the pod is green, it's a go. I usually eat 6-8 PODS (resulting in between ~25-40 SEEDS, plus pod material) and always enter psychedelia. Your mileage may vary, but HBWR just give me the ADVERSE effects (mainly sedation, and nausea to a lesser extent), and exponentially pronounced, in comparison to the "slowly-inflating balloon" body high with the traditional re-evaluation of life circumstances that I normally get with my home-grown morning glory...
I've tripped LSD and mushrooms more times than I can count. But I still remember each of my lysergamide-vine trips (I would assume because the negative effects are hard to forget). I would say it's much harder to achieve the pleasure and euphoria typically associated with the classic psychedelics on lysergamide-vines, but FRESH, UNRIPE morning glory PODS eaten WHOLE work the best for me.
Regardless, good luck and I hope you get what you seek.
Edited by Lord_DankPot (08/24/15 05:45 AM)
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wolf8312
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I am confident that whatever is responsible for the full on -raw seed- HBWR experience will not break down properly by way of the sublingual ROA, for some reason, even in the stomach, the seeds seem to need to be broken down first or even digested. Raw seeds take as long as cannabis to produce the actual experience (effects come on quickly though) unless you end up vomiting and swallowing it back down again- in which case for some reason the experience starts thereafter with much more bearable nausea. Obviously few people would drink their own vomit to get high, though even fewer I think, would be willing to bear the kind of poisoning that HBWR produces.
Sublingual method never worked for me and I remember all I did is disgust myself before deciding I would just again eat the seeds raw.
I found that after you come up on HBWR seeds (with tolerance) the nausea will be much more manageable and you will be able to eat more seeds- and quite alot too. The only condition seems to be that you are at that point actually tripping.
From extensive experience I have found that sublingual dosing as well as crude water/alcohol extractions will lead many to believe they have experienced a full on HBWR experience when in fact only the raw seed -almost impossible to stomach without puking for most- will be the equal of an experience like LSD, mushrooms, or mescaline.
I reckon a proper psychdelic experience could also be achieved with a better method of extraction (or more likely synthesis) but honestly if one were able to get a trip as amazing as the raw seed -minus the nausea- from a simple water extraction or sublingual dosing, few people would be bothering to look for LSD.
This is why I think LSA has a reputation as a very poor substitute for LSD, but those who have done the seeds properly know that the experience is exquisite and I for one actually much prefer it to LSD except for one thing. Its unbearable poison for the first 3 hours or so!
I myself take this to mean that the poison plays a big part in the trip and if you remove it, you also remove a big part of the experience. A number of factors led me to this conclusion.
Tolerance during and after the experience, as well as the potency of different seeds and the level of poisoning experienced. High potency meant high poisoning. Extractions too, although not entirely eliminating psychedelic effects, removed that special something or magic that makes things like LSD and the raw seed experience so literally jaw dropping.
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The method that I have found which is the LEAST sedative (though still present), is the consumption of un-ripened morning glory (heavenly blue) still encapsulated in their seed pods. If the pod is green, it's a go. I usually eat 6-8 PODS (resulting in between ~25-40 SEEDS, plus pod material) and always enter psychedelia.
The thing is though you are eating unripe and hence weaker seeds with weaker nausea. The more potent the seed the more god awful the effects of the poisoning. Take them the day after and you will barely feel sick but nor will you feel much anything either.
Tahitian= ultra potent sick as a dog, mind blowing trip Madagascan= Arghhhh the humanity, mind blowing trip Hawaian= Nausea gross but manageable, trip meh Ghana/India= no nausea whatsoever, no trip whatsoever Water alcohol extractions= Meh Sublingual= Not sure it even worked
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Edited by wolf8312 (08/24/15 09:29 AM)
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Lord_DankPot
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Re: HBWR Under Your Tongue [Re: wolf8312]
#22134934 - 08/24/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because of the few times I tried HBWR and lacked success, I didn't go back to it. My first lysergamide-vine was morning glory in the form of 4.5 ground-up grams of packed seeds by Burpee...
That being said, the seeds I eat are considerably stronger than what is inside a seed pack. Yes, still weaker than HWBR. But because of the tenderness of the seeds, gastro-effects are minimally noticeable, and I need considerably less than Erowid's suggested doses. Despite being quite confident in my abilities to navigate psychedelia, I don't think I could handle the primary/side-effects of "100-150" unripened, white, tender seeds.
I'm no "professional morning glory grower", I just have observed freshness and potency are severely correlated in this drug.
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zeebo48
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My first time ever doing a drug was HBWR and I had so much fun! I got lots of energy and felt so happy and enjoyed all of it. The first hour or less is a little lousy because of nausea and or cramps but once you throw up its great ! I recommend trying it ! I plan on tripping this weekend.
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Kush_Zombie
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Re: HBWR Under Your Tongue [Re: zeebo48]
#22135282 - 08/24/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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crush up 10 hwbw (I use 10 anyways) and put them in water and add a little garlic (real garlic) as the garlic helps combat the nausea. Let them sit for an hour+ (the longer the better, I like to let it sit for 4) and then strain the seed/garlic material. Drink over a course of about 20 minutes and enjoy. I've never actually had a problem with nausea even when chewing them but I always have weed to smoke when I start to feel it too. Weed is almost a necessity with HWBW. Here's my report of when I chewed 10 seeds if you're interested https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22059090
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
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