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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22133971 - 08/24/15 05:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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yah and with those little things being in more than 1 place at the same time, and just looking at them affects their behavior, some sneaky magic shit going on and it seems like one possible explaination for that (like being in 2 places at once) could only be explained by either being faster than light, or bending space and time.  but how could something so small be smart enough to do it just because we looked at it?



Are you talking about how particles change based on how they are percieved? And string theory and shit? Light is both a wave, and a particle, but it's based on how you perceive it. String theory is really weird and complicated to.

We've honestly only scratched the surface of how the universe works.


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22133972 - 08/24/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But the real problem is traveling back. Are you going to be able to travel back to your timeline where you never went back in time, or are you going to travel to the new timeline that you created by traveling back in time.




maybe its like a dream, maybe time doesn't exist in a solid state, maybe the past doesn't matter like it never really existed, because its just a dream


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22133978 - 08/24/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I mean there is some philosophical theory that the universe and everything in it could have been created 5 minutes ago, and us and our memories are just a byproduct of that creation.

But with philosphy, debating what is really even real is pretty common. We can't physically disprove this is all a dream, or you guys are all imaginary. Or even if I am imaginary.


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: Achillita]
    #22133980 - 08/24/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
yah and with those little things being in more than 1 place at the same time, and just looking at them affects their behavior, some sneaky magic shit going on and it seems like one possible explaination for that (like being in 2 places at once) could only be explained by either being faster than light, or bending space and time.  but how could something so small be smart enough to do it just because we looked at it?



Are you talking about how particles change based on how they are percieved? And string theory and shit? Light is both a wave, and a particle, but it's based on how you perceive it. String theory is really weird and complicated to.

We've honestly only scratched the surface of how the universe works.




i honestly don't know what im talking about, ive read about so many different things like quirks,strings, alphabet soup, its all a jumbled mess in my head, i just remember something small would be in 2 places at once, i think they might have even said while also being nowhere?  and that their behavior would change just by looking at them, which would indicate intellegence, unless somehow we were looking at ourselves.  I always wondered, as we look at smaller and smaller things, when you get too small that perhaps suddenly you pick up on shadows on the microscopes lenses n shit, so when you looked into one you might not be looking at anything but still see something and then it moves as your eye moves or the camera or w/e the fk


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: Achillita]
    #22133987 - 08/24/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean there is some philosophical theory that the universe and everything in it could have been created 5 minutes ago, and us and our memories are just a byproduct of that creation.

But with philosphy, debating what is really even real is pretty common. We can't physically disprove this is all a dream, or you guys are all imaginary. Or even if I am imaginary.




it could also be that right now, only this exact moment is real, and if you go back in time, its just you there, nothing else


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22133988 - 08/24/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i honestly don't know what im talking about, ive read about so many different things like quirks,strings, alphabet soup, its all a jumbled mess in my head, i just remember something small would be in 2 places at once, i think they might have even said while also being nowhere?  and that their behavior would change just by looking at them, which would indicate intellegence, unless somehow we were looking at ourselves.  I always wondered, as we look at smaller and smaller things, when you get too small that perhaps suddenly you pick up on shadows on the microscopes lenses n shit, so when you looked into one you might not be looking at anything but still see something and then it moves as your eye moves or the camera or w/e the fk



Quirks are a part of string theory, and I'm pretty sure how a particle behaves based on how we perceive it fits in with string theory aswell, though I can't recall for sure.

But the experiment with how partcles behave based on it was orignally done with light. There were slits in a metal panel(i am pretty sure it was microscopic) and as light passed through, we saw that they were particles hitting the panel, but when light goes through the slits, it forms waves along the "catcher" panel. I'm really bad at explainin this.

But that experiment has been done quite a few times with the same results.


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: Achillita]
    #22133989 - 08/24/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But if you create a whole new timeline, then how did you go back in the first place? The timeline never existed that lead to you going back in the first place. To my understanding/feeling, a timeline could possibly be changed given the right circumstances, but that is still living in the same Universe, just different events happening between you going back and the future you left behind. A time line denotes a fixed cause and effect path. If a death makes you decide to go back in time, and you stop the death, the time line is changed, but so is the event that lead you to go back in the first place.

The only thing that makes sense to me where the event that caused you to go back AND actually changing it could both simultaneously exist, is through multiverse theory. In a line that is either fixed, wobbly or can be changed, every last thing you do in the past, effects the future. If you draw a straight line on a piece of paper representing the timeline you knew, then travel back to a point and make a drastic alteration denoted by an "X" and then draw a parallel line to represent the new future due to the change, the original timeline after that X ceases to exist, including the event that sent you back to begin with.

This shit hurts my fucking head trying to figure it out and every time it's brought up in any movie or TV show and I get sent back to trying to figure out how it could even work I start getting frustrated :lol: I fucking hate time travel.


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: Achillita]
    #22133997 - 08/24/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i honestly don't know what im talking about, ive read about so many different things like quirks,strings, alphabet soup, its all a jumbled mess in my head, i just remember something small would be in 2 places at once, i think they might have even said while also being nowhere?  and that their behavior would change just by looking at them, which would indicate intellegence, unless somehow we were looking at ourselves.  I always wondered, as we look at smaller and smaller things, when you get too small that perhaps suddenly you pick up on shadows on the microscopes lenses n shit, so when you looked into one you might not be looking at anything but still see something and then it moves as your eye moves or the camera or w/e the fk



Quirks are a part of string theory, and I'm pretty sure how a particle behaves based on how we perceive it fits in with string theory aswell, though I can't recall for sure.

But the experiment with how partcles behave based on it was orignally done with light. There were slits in a metal panel(i am pretty sure it was microscopic) and as light passed through, we saw that they were particles hitting the panel, but when light goes through the slits, it forms waves along the "catcher" panel. I'm really bad at explainin this.

But that experiment has been done quite a few times with the same results.




here you go...



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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22133999 - 08/24/15 05:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But you gotta understand, that the timeline you go back to stop the event is forever changed, but because it is changed, it makes a timeline as well because another thing changed that universe, splitting off into separate timelines.

The only way you could go back to the unchanged timeline is if you were to travel dimensions. Which would work in the same or similar way to how you would punch holes in space to time travel.

The multiverse theory holds infinite(some say finite, but it'd still be nearly infinite) possibilities, and it's the theory that makes the most sense when talking about time travel and existence.

If there is only one universe and timeline, then in reality we don't have free choice because all time exists simultaneously on a grand scale.

And btw, thank you shroomslip for making this thread. If you couldn't tell, I love talking about this shit.


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: CosmicFool]
    #22134002 - 08/24/15 05:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Achillita said:
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i honestly don't know what im talking about, ive read about so many different things like quirks,strings, alphabet soup, its all a jumbled mess in my head, i just remember something small would be in 2 places at once, i think they might have even said while also being nowhere?  and that their behavior would change just by looking at them, which would indicate intellegence, unless somehow we were looking at ourselves.  I always wondered, as we look at smaller and smaller things, when you get too small that perhaps suddenly you pick up on shadows on the microscopes lenses n shit, so when you looked into one you might not be looking at anything but still see something and then it moves as your eye moves or the camera or w/e the fk



Quirks are a part of string theory, and I'm pretty sure how a particle behaves based on how we perceive it fits in with string theory aswell, though I can't recall for sure.

But the experiment with how partcles behave based on it was orignally done with light. There were slits in a metal panel(i am pretty sure it was microscopic) and as light passed through, we saw that they were particles hitting the panel, but when light goes through the slits, it forms waves along the "catcher" panel. I'm really bad at explainin this.

But that experiment has been done quite a few times with the same results.




here you go...





Thanks man! :highfive:


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: Achillita]
    #22134017 - 08/24/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What I'm gathering from what you're saying is that you're saying it's possible for two time lines to co-exist. That just opens up a whole new can of worms. Unless timelines are quite literally different verses in the multiverse or we literally just never discover a way to travel into the "past". If two exist, then surely an infinite number also exist. It just doesn't make any sense for just 2, 40 or 100 to exist. Logically it would just have to keep going on for infinity. If all these different timelines exist but are not different verse, and time travel exists and we are jumping to different ones/creating new ones, then what makes them separate? They would all be tied in together some how. Which would just make it one huge rubber band ball of a single timeline.


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: Achillita]
    #22134018 - 08/24/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

maybe we can't travel backwards because we need to build a receiver
a landing pad or a target for the time traveler to arrive at :toomuchacid:


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: CosmicFool]
    #22134025 - 08/24/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's the main argument (besides the obvious: it's impossible) for why we don't have time travelers walking amongst us. But it's not a strong argument for the questions I've put forward. There's no doubt that if time travel were invented and a receiver pad built, that someone would at some point want to go back from some future to a time when it existed and change something. Then my questions start all over.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: CosmicFool]
    #22134027 - 08/24/15 05:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here, I was looking for a visual aid to hel explain the mutliverse thoery, but found the summary of the three main time travel theories.


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: Achillita]
    #22134062 - 08/24/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I like the fixed timeline the best
at least when it comes to books/movies etc.

but if time travel did become real
and if even a small number of people went back each year (lets say 10)
it starts looking far less plausible
I mean how many people could you send to kill hitler and stay unnoticed


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: CosmicFool]
    #22134098 - 08/24/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There was a plot to kill Hitler that would have involved intercepting a transport of gaschamber grade Zyklon B to a camp, and instead shaking the pellets into the air vents of Hitler's bunker.

That would have been poetic justice, a shame that it was never carried out.


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Re: Time travel to the past, your thoughts? [Re: CosmicFool]
    #22134118 - 08/24/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The fixed timeline theory is the easiest to explain, but unlikely IMO. It makes it seem that time isn't fluid, and that we have no choice in any matter.

But I agree, it's probably one of the better theories for story writing because it makes it all simple. The multiverse theory is pretty complex.


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