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My 1:4 vs 1:2 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment w/ PICS!!! **10 monotub grow**
    #22133690 - 08/24/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys!  I know this is probably a re-hash, but I figured that it would be really fun to do an experiment on yield with low spawn ratios, as well as how much of a difference casing makes during fruiting.  Normally, I have always gone with the recommended spawn ratio of 1:2 with my monotubs, but since healthy spawn is a mycologist's most valuable resource, I wanted to know how much of a difference on total yield and colonization time a 50% lower spawn ratio would make. 

Unfortunately, I am not working with a clone or isolated strain here.  Everything I am using is the result of a G2G transfer from a jar I inoculated with a MS syringe of Penis Envy about a month or so ago.  This is going to probably give inconsistent results, but it's all I have, and I wont be able to clone until I start seeing fruits off of this experiment.



Nothing new here. I used the basic coir/verm/gypsum recipe we all know and love, 650 grams of coir, 2 quarts of verm, and about 400 cc's of gypsum in 66qt sterilite tubs.  For pasteurization, I loaded each tub's bulk substrate into a plastic bag and tied it off with a zip-tie.



I find that a probe thermometer with a timer is a great tool to have when pasteurizing.  In the picture, you see a plate placed over the plastic bag.  This was to help keep the bag submerged in the water as much as possible.  Later, I found that placing the PC's round metal rack and a 10lb weight on top did a much better job of keeping the bag fully submerged.



After one hour at 140-160 degrees F, the bags were pasteurized bags were allowed to cool.  Above, there are only 3 bags pictured.  I did the fourth bag the next day since I ran out of gypsum that night.

 

I selected the 12 healthiest jars of spawn I could find.  As per Frank's recommendation, I soaked the spawn in water for about one hour, then allowed it to drain in my small hand strainer before adding it to the bulk substrate.  I've never done this before, so I'm eager to see the results.  It's worth mentioning, but this is the first time I haven't removed sunflower seeds during my WBS prep process.  TBH, none of my jars were contaminated, and all look VERY healthy, so I think I'll continue to leave them in.  After all, it's just more work to remove them, I go through WBS faster, and they start to smell pretty bad in my trash after only a day of two.

   

Each tub received 3 quarts of soaked WBS spawn.  I've never layered my spawn, and I've never added a thin layer of coir to cover exposed grains.  I've always just mixed thoroughly and I've been pretty happy with the past results.



Three of the four tubs were sealed up on 8/22, and the fourth was sealed the following day on 8/23 after a quick gypsum run.  I'm pretty optimistic about this experiment, and I hope that I see good results.  The big thing I'm trying to determine here is what my spawn to yield ratio will be.  Although I don't think that my tubs will perform as well as those spawned at 1:2 or 1:2, I am optimistic that my yield will be higher compared to the volume of spawn that I used.  I'll give you all an update when it comes time to birth the tubs.  At that point, two will be cased with pasteurized jiffy mix, and two will be left uncased.  Cheers!  :sunny:


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22133710 - 08/24/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: cronicr]
    #22133720 - 08/24/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

BTW, I'm still learning, so let me know if I'm doing anything wrong.  Helpful pointers here and there are certainly welcome, too.  I want you guys to be involved in this little experiment along with me too.  Thanks!


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22152406 - 08/27/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

After five days, everything is looking great!  It should be about another 5-7 days before casing/fruiting.  The only thing that concerns me is the potential for the bottom tub's lid to crack under the weight of top three.  I definitely wouldn't recommend stacking more than four on top of each other.

   


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22187419 - 09/04/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Birthday time!  So after 13 days of colonization, two of the four tubs appear colonized enough to fruit.  These two will be left uncased throughout this grow.  The last two tubs will be given another day or so before casing. 
   

It's worth mentioning that yesterday I also whipped up 3 66qt tubs spawned at 1:2 for yield comparison.  Hopefully they will colonize a bit faster.  Cheers!



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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22187526 - 09/04/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:popcorn: Why all the different hole configurations?


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22187574 - 09/04/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:popcorn: Why all the different hole configurations?



I made these years ago before I was aware of the more common hole placement designs.  I just kinda drilled a few holes here and there in a nice pattern and called it good.  TBH, they have all been used in the past with great success, so I'm not really too worried.  Any future tubs I make will have two 1-1/2" holes just above the 4" substrate level on the long sides, and one hole higher up on the short side.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22187636 - 09/04/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:goodluck::popcorn:


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22188168 - 09/04/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22188363 - 09/04/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Cool man use what works for you :super:




The hole placement isn't ideal, but it definitely still works.  These tubs are so old that I had to duck tape a few of them because the plastic cracked sometime when they were in storage.  I just have to make what I've got on hand work.  I'll keep you guys updated!


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22192843 - 09/05/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

At day 14, I birthed the two remaining 1:4 ratio tubs and cased with a very thin layer of hydrated Jiffy Mix I had pasteurized the previous night.  I've never cased before, let alone used Jiffy Mix, but I've been told that it does make a good all in one casing layer.

 

Here's how they looked after two weeks of colonization.  I really have to be honest.  The 1:4 spawn ratio I used did result in fairly slow colonization.  Normally, my 1:2 tubs would go into fruiting within 7-10 days, and the mycelium would look much thicker and more robust.  I have four tubs colonizing that I spawned at a 1:2 ratio, and I'm really excited to compare their performance down the line.

   

I did my best to spread out the casing layer as thinly as possible without leaving any of the mycelium beneath exposed.  If I had to guess, I would say that it's probably about 1/3 cm thick.  Additionally, I tried to spread it out as carefully as I could to avoid bruising the delicate mycelium beneath.  I think I did okay.

 

Unfortunately, I made a major rookie mistake.  I thought that four quarts of dry mix hydrated to field capacity would be more than enough for two mono's.  Unfortunately, I was wrong, and I ended up running out just before I was able to cover the last tub.  Sooooo frustrating!  :facepalm3:



I ended up having to pasteurize another quart of Jiffy Mix.  Not a huge deal, but next time ill make sure to use a little more.  I guess 2.5 dry quarts (measured before hydrating to field capacity) per tub is about the right amount.



I ended up with a little casing mix left over, so I put a piece of tinfoil over the top of the jar and placed it in my fridge.  I plan on using it to patch the mycelium that ends up poking through the casing layer in a few days.

Hopefully I haven't done anything wrong here.  This is the first time I've tried casing, as well as the first time I've tried a 1:4 spawn ratio.  Like I mentioned previously, I have four more tubs currently colonizing that were spawned at 1:2 (6 quarts of spawn to 650 grams of coir, 2 quarts of vermiculite, and 1/2 quart of gypsum).  Once those finish colonizing ( hopefully within 7 days!) I'll case two of those using the same method I described above. Even though I am using spawn that originally came from one MS jar, I feel like this should demonstrate the performance of 1:4 vs 1:2 spawn ratios, as well as cased vs uncased bulk substrates.

Please post any questions or suggestions that you my have!


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22193452 - 09/05/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22213383 - 09/09/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

 

The two tubs that were cased were allowed to sit and colonize for four days.  I was originally planning on patching them, but they are too colonized at this point.  It would almost be like applying a second casing layer.  It was honestly a bit my fault.  I let them colonize for too long, and should have patched them yesterday or the day before, but I was stubborn and wanted to wait the traditional 4 days.  I removed the tape, stuffed the 2" holes with poly, and fruited.  Hopefully we see pins soon!


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22213612 - 09/09/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So you shook up your fully colonized jars with water in them, then soaked those colonized grains for an hour before putting in the tub? Why? Never heard of this


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    #22213625 - 09/09/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22213668 - 09/09/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting. Don't know how I didn't stumble on that earlier. Will have to give it a shot next time around. Thanks for the link


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: Cue]
    #22214300 - 09/09/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Too bad about the rando hole placement, kind of throws the science of it out the window.. You've made me want to try jiffy mix for my current run, I hope they sell it at wal-mart...


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: newrook]
    #22214352 - 09/09/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Too bad about the rando hole placement, kind of throws the science of it out the window.. You've made me want to try jiffy mix for my current run, I hope they sell it at wal-mart...




You people and your hole criticism.  Though not standard, the hole placement has worked perfectly fine in the past, and I have complete certainty that it will work now.  I made two new tubs with the standard four holes at the surface on the long side and two up high on the short side.  However, these will perform fine, so everyone just calm down.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22214368 - 09/09/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you have enough fae, hole placement isn't super important. I still use totes with bad hole placements (not at substrate surface level). I just make the poly a little looser, and mist when needed


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22214399 - 09/09/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Looking good to me! As long as you're having a good time we're having a good time! Keep it up brodeje:thumbup:


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22214413 - 09/09/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Too bad about the rando hole placement, kind of throws the science of it out the window.. You've made me want to try jiffy mix for my current run, I hope they sell it at wal-mart...




You people and your hole criticism.  Though not standard, the hole placement has worked perfectly fine in the past, and I have complete certainty that it will work now.  I made two new tubs with the standard four holes at the surface on the long side and two up high on the short side.  However, these will perform fine, so everyone just calm down.





Well I would almost prefer to see different styles of hole placement, but for an experiment I would want uniformity amongst the tubs if I was testing yields.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22214473 - 09/09/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hell yeah. This is my first time casing with Jiffy Mix. My first time casing anything really. It'll be interesting to compare my results from my previous projects as well as yours. I'm hoping to achieve wall to wall flushes. Nice write up :rockon::threadmonitor:


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22214474 - 09/09/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you have enough fae, hole placement isn't super important. I still use totes with bad hole placements (not at substrate surface level). I just make the poly a little looser, and mist when needed




Same here.  I've got some more jiffy mix pasteurizing right now, so hopefully I can case another two to the 1:2 ratio tubs I made about a week ago.  This experiment is really starting to pick up the pace!


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    #22214975 - 09/09/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you have enough fae, hole placement isn't super important. I still use totes with bad hole placements (not at substrate surface level). I just make the poly a little looser, and mist when needed




Same here.  I've got some more jiffy mix pasteurizing right now, so hopefully I can case another two to the 1:2 ratio tubs I made about a week ago.  This experiment is really starting to pick up the pace!




Cool, let me know how your's turn out.  It would be cool to compare!


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    #22216784 - 09/10/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



Quick update!  I just cased two more 66qt mono's that were spawned at 1:2.  Total colonization time before casing was 7 days.  The second mono looked very similar to the one pictured above.  There are four more mono's still in colonization behind these two, and four that are currently in fruiting.


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    #22216801 - 09/10/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22237965 - 09/14/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

 

Finally!  We've got pins.  Here's a pic of one of the two tubs that are finally pinning.  The second pic is of one of the other ten tubs that was cased and showing signs of hyphal knotting. 

Mycology is kinda like watching a firework go off in extreme slow motion, one frame every six hours for a week.  These little pins are just the beginning of that firework.


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    #22238136 - 09/14/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Mycology is kinda like watching a firework go off in extreme slow motion, one frame every six hours for a week.



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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22244404 - 09/16/15 04:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

 

Making real progress!  One of the 1:4 uncased tubs is well into pinning.  Eight of the ten tubs are in fruiting, with the last two waiting for their casing layers to colonize a bit more before patching.  I'm seriously running out of room here!


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    #22248821 - 09/16/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: Darkhome]
    #22249494 - 09/17/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



Unfortunately, I was forced to perform surgery on one of the 1:4 uncased tubs.  It was showing signs of mold along the edge so I took out a large section and covered the area with salt.  I'm buying time at this point, but since it is so close to harvest, I didn't want to toss it just yet.  I moved this tub to another room in my house, and I plan on tossing it as soon as I harvest.  If I had to guess, I would say that it has another 3 days or so before it's ready to be plucked.

   

The other 1:4 uncased mono is looking good and is just a little further along in it's development.  Looks like a decent pinset with no mutant blobs that I can see, which is also a good thing  This has definitely not been my experience growing PE.  First flushes uncased have always yielded me mutants.  If I had to guess, it's another 2-3 days until harvest on that one.  The two 1:4 cased monos are doing good, showing a nice pinset, but some myco piss is apparent on both tubs.  The camera's flash makes it look much worse than it is, so I think I'm going to hold off on misting for the time being.  By the looks of it, they seem to be on track to harvest in about one week.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22249694 - 09/17/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Unfortunately, I was forced to perform surgery on one of the 1:4 uncased tubs.  It was showing signs of mold along the edge so I took out a large section and covered the area with salt.  I'm buying time at this point, but since it is so close to harvest, I didn't want to toss it just yet.  I moved this tub to another room in my house, and I plan on tossing it as soon as I harvest.  If I had to guess, I would say that it has another 3 days or so before it's ready to be plucked.

   





Not sure how keen you are on ID'ing contam's but if you really think you've got mold on a tub, then throw that thing out immediately and don't even try and get anything off it. You could compromise your whole room for the sake of a few fruits from that tub.

If its bacteria then you may get away with fruiting it out and not having too much a risk of it spreading but if i had a grow that big and saw anything nasty that shit would go out the door yesterday.

Sure you isolated it but if its really mold you'll get spores all over yourself anytime you walk into that room and those can track anywhere.

If it was a tub or two then maybe, just maybe, try and save it but it looks like you got a lot going on there

p.s  the rest of it looks great :thumbup::thumbup: but whats up with the hole placement on that tub with like 20 1" holes? lol


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    #22249739 - 09/17/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have no idea what I was thinking on that tub's hole placement.  :facepalm3:  I made it several years ago in my less experienced cultivation days.  I think that the reason I chose that configuration was because I didn't have a 2" bit on hand, and the largest one I had was the 1".  To compensate, I just drilled a lot of 1" holes. That tub is the only one getting fanned since I am worried that it won't get enough FAE.  I've used it in the past without issue, and to be honest, I'm not convinced that hole placement is an exact science.  That being said, all of the new tubs I make will have the standard four 1.5" holes at substrate level, and two 2" holes high up on the short side. Keeping things consistent is always nice.

Here is my reasoning on the contaminated tub.  I removed it from the room as soon as I suspected trich.  I debrided the contaminated spot, and disposed of the section of substrate immediately.  Had i just tossed the whole sub, it would have spread the spores an equal amount.  Since the tub is isolated from the others and won't be opened until it is ready for harvest, I'm not convinced it poses a huge risk.  I doubt the mold will be back within 3 days, considering the how much of the substrate around the small spot was removed.  Am I taking a risk, sure.  But, there are plenty of mold spores coming into and out of the house every day that have no connection to those that came from this tub.  Fully colonized substrate is contaminate resistant to a degree, so I think the others will all do okay.


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    #22255125 - 09/18/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

   


The two 1:4 cased mono's are really taking off, and I have to say that I'm pretty happy with the pinset on each of these compared to the uncased tubs.  They may not look cased from the photos, but that is because I applied too thin (1/4") of a casing layer and the mycelium gobbled it up like no one's business.  All of the other mono's in this grow were given a 1/2" thick casing layer and patched, so hopefully they won't overtake it as easily as these did.  I'm still waiting on the rest of the 1:2 mono's to start showing signs of pins.

One thing that I do notice is that most of the pins seem to be concentrated towards the center of the tub, and that there are far fewer surrounding the substrate's edges.  I'm really interested to see how these continue to do, since they are my first cased tubs I've ever done.


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    #22255530 - 09/18/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks!  I'm really anxious to see how these yield compared to the uncased mono's.


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    #22263943 - 09/20/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

     

Mono #2 was harvested with a total dry weight of 60.7 grams.  Definitely a little disappointing, but considering it contaminated, I'm lucky to have gotten anything at all.  The substrate was tossed out after harvest. I will have to say, I'm happy that this tub didn't produce any mutants, considering the fact that it was uncased.


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    #22264014 - 09/20/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22270454 - 09/21/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

         

Mono #1 spawned at 1:4 and uncased was harvested.  I was pretty grateful that there weren't any first flush mutants.  Overall, I was pretty happy with how it performed.  Final dry weight was 111.2 grams, or 1.3 ounces dry per quart.  That is definitely good performance.  Due to the contamination of two of my other 1:4 mono's, I decided to toss the substrate after harvest.


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    #22270486 - 09/21/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

   

Mono #4 was a bonafide crash and burn.  Trich returned, so it had to be harvested and tossed.  Most of the fruits were pretty small, and the final dry weight was 20 grams even.  Very disappointing considering this was the second 1:4 ratio tub that suffered contams before the first flush finished. On the upside, mono #3 (not pictured) is looking great and will be harvested very soon, but this experiment has kinda turned me off of 1:4 spawn ratios due to slow colonization and early contamination.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: GoblinKing]
    #22272193 - 09/21/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

To be fair, it would be nice to have a larger sample size than four.  Keep in mind that this is a MS grow, so results are going to be inconsistent.  That being said, 2 out of four 1:4 mono's getting contaminated before the first flush isn't a good thing.  In addition, it made me not want to attempt any second flushes out of fear that further contamination could threaten my grow.  Mono #3, the last 1:4 mono was harvested and is currently drying.  I'll post an update tomorrow morning with the final dry weight.  I do have to say that #3 performed great.  No monsters, but lots of very healthy looking shrooms.  But, the best is yet to come!  My six 1:2 cased and uncased mono's are sitting just waiting to blow up.  Below is mono #3 that was just harvested.  I'm hoping for a yield around 4 ounces dry from these little guys!

 


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That being said, 2 out of four 1:4 mono's getting contaminated before the first flush isn't a good thing.





I tried to tell you to toss that first tub, I had a feeling things would spread with how much you got going on there.


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    #22273667 - 09/22/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That being said, 2 out of four 1:4 mono's getting contaminated before the first flush isn't a good thing.





I tried to tell you to toss that first tub, I had a feeling things would spread with how much you got going on there.





You sure did!  TBH, there's no way to know if the contamination originated from that first mono, or if it would have gotten contaminated to begin with.  It's possible that the contamination spread from one mono to the other, but I'm inclined to suspect that the lower spawn ratio could have contributed to it as well. Who knows :shrug:


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    #22274631 - 09/22/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

     

Mono #3 is finished!  Final dry weight was 112.4 grams.  Not too bad, and that is just a hair better than mono #1's 111.2 grams.  In that respect, the cased and uncased mono's that didn't contaminate each produced about 1.3 dry ounces per quart of spawn used.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
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    #22326213 - 10/02/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



Mono #7 of 10 was harvested with a dry yield of 180.0 grams.  That's a little over one dry ounce per quart of spawn, so all good here.  I picked the healthiest looking specimen and put a couple samples on agar for future cloning.



Mono #5 yielded 157.4 dry grams, so just under one dry ounce per quart of spawn.  I noticed that there were a lot of underdeveloped shrooms towards the back of the tub which could have been given more time to mature.  Regardless, I harvested everything at the same time.

Both of these tubs were heavily misted and put back into fruiting for a second flush.  Mono #8 (not pictured) developed trich and had to be tossed.  Quite a shame considering it was only about 3 days from harvest.  I picked what was there, but it was only about 228 grams wet before it went into the dehydrator.

I'm pretty happy with how these two mono's performed, but I can't understand how some growers like Frank are getting 300+ grams dry off of a single tub.  How?  That is over 10 ounces for a first flush!  Mono #7 filled my entire dehydrator up.  Are they adding more bulk and more quarts of spawn than I am?  I'm added 6 quarts to my monos and about 10-12 quarts of hydrated CVG.  The only thing I can think of is that the clones/isolate they are using are genetically better performers.  After all, I am using MS here.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22326229 - 10/02/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:congrats:  great flushes man.

what size are the holes in tub #7?



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    #22326261 - 10/02/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:congrats:  great flushes man.

what size are the holes in tub #7?





The holes are 1" in size.  If you look through this thread, you will see several people criticizing that hole configuration.  What now, haters?  Look who's laughing, bitches!  :flipthebird:    But seriously, that hole configuration doesn't impede the tub's performance.  I wouldn't recommend it, and I'm not claiming it is superior, but it certainly works just as well as as a normal 2" hole setup.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22326271 - 10/02/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup: yeah I had a feeling you probably caught flack for that, but dry weight talks :lol:

btw - what are the stats on those two tubs.

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    #22326279 - 10/02/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, there are a lot of people on here that think they have a PhD in Mycology just because they got the PF Tek right once and read a few mono tub how to's.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: cronicr]
    #22331206 - 10/04/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



Mono #6 yielded 151.8 grams dry.  It was packed pretty full, but most of the shrooms were fairly small.


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    #22343183 - 10/06/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



Mono #9 yielded 168.5 grams dry, which is just a hair under 6 o's.  Pretty good if you ask me.  At this point, only mono #10, the uncased mono has yet to finish.  I'm intrigued to find out how the upcoming second flushes fair.


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    #22343223 - 10/06/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So you just "mist heavily" to rehydrate for second flush?  I've seen a few people who do a full dunk and soak the sucker, any thoughts on that?

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    #22343235 - 10/06/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've always dunked in the past, but I'm misting because I find it less of a PITA.  We'll see how it works out.  According to some TC's here, they mist heavily and it works okay for them.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22343245 - 10/06/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Misting works fine yeah....but I just pull the liner back and pour 2qt or water over the sub, wait for 1-2 hours then dump it. If you don't feel like taking your shroomtub to the bathtub then just mist lol.

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    #22343775 - 10/07/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



Believe it or not, mono #7 with the many 1" holes performed the best at 180.0 grams dry.  I however, am inclined to believe that hole configuration has little to do with the performance.  As long as proper FAE is achieved, they should produce just fine. The next best producer was mono #9, which came in at 168.5 grams, and it had a standard hole setup.


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Right on man. As long as your getting good FAE without anything drying out you're golden.


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    #22351794 - 10/08/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



Mono #10 is not exactly what you would call spectacular.  I harvested a couple of the mature fruits which came out to 3.2 grams dry.  It might be one of those monos that just doesn't flush, but rather just produces fruits a couple at a time.


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    #22361316 - 10/10/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



The second flush on mono #7 was harvested today with a dry weight of 100.7 grams.  Quite a good second flush with the typical second flush monsters making their appearance.  This brings the total harvest weight on #7 to 280.7 grams, or just under 10 oz's, which I am very satisfied with.  I didn't see any trich on the substrate, so it was misted and put back into fruiting for a third flush.


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    #22367056 - 10/12/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



Mono #5's 2nd flush came in with a dry weight of 100.7 grams.  I think that at this point, I am going to end this experiment.  The results seem pretty clear to me.  Cased seems to outperform uncased, and a 1:2 spawn ratio delivers higher yields on the first flush with a lower rate of contamination.  I have my eye on other projects, including a sclerotia grow, so I'm focusing on that for the time being.  Please let me know if you have any questions.


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    #22369162 - 10/12/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Very cool and very well done.

So what were difference in times before you had a first flush off the 1/4 ratio and the 1/2 ratio. I was trying to figure out from your posts.


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    #22369775 - 10/12/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The 1:4 mono's that didn't contaminate (two contaminated before the first flush) yielded around 4 o's, and the 1:2 mono's yielded 5.5-6.4 o's.


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Re: My 1:4 vs 1:2 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment w/ PICS!!! **10 monotub grow** [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22371578 - 10/13/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting result.  66%+ of the yield from 50% of the spawn.  How full are your "quarts" of spawn?


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Re: My 1:4 vs 1:2 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment w/ PICS!!! **10 monotub grow** [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22372827 - 10/13/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Interesting result.  66%+ of the yield from 50% of the spawn.  How full are your "quarts" of spawn?




My jars are about 3/4 - 4/5 full.  I do get better biological efficiency from 1:4, but the contamination rate was 50%, which is why I think that I'll go with 1:2 in the future.


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    #22373245 - 10/13/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like I've heard of people doing 1:10 and having it colonize in <10 days.  Maybe you just had some bad jars there.  Or they just weren't clean enough.  The slower colonization made the mush mycellium too slow to stomp on any small amounts of contaminants before they got rolling?  Hard to say.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

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    #22373643 - 10/13/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Very true.


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Re: My 1:4 vs 1:2 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment w/ PICS!!! **10 monotub grow** [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22373681 - 10/13/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

IMO it's quite genetic based. There's some prolific genetics that push out a lot at 1:10 ratios. But they're usually picky. You can follow this thread of 1:10-1:12 wbs>pure hpoo. These particular genetics loved it when you fruit just as they're poking through the casing. If I did it any other way they'd just side pin. Basically just don't give up man. It took me many trays to see results lol


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