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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22214413 - 09/09/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Too bad about the rando hole placement, kind of throws the science of it out the window.. You've made me want to try jiffy mix for my current run, I hope they sell it at wal-mart...




You people and your hole criticism.  Though not standard, the hole placement has worked perfectly fine in the past, and I have complete certainty that it will work now.  I made two new tubs with the standard four holes at the surface on the long side and two up high on the short side.  However, these will perform fine, so everyone just calm down.





Well I would almost prefer to see different styles of hole placement, but for an experiment I would want uniformity amongst the tubs if I was testing yields.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22214473 - 09/09/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hell yeah. This is my first time casing with Jiffy Mix. My first time casing anything really. It'll be interesting to compare my results from my previous projects as well as yours. I'm hoping to achieve wall to wall flushes. Nice write up :rockon::threadmonitor:


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22214474 - 09/09/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you have enough fae, hole placement isn't super important. I still use totes with bad hole placements (not at substrate surface level). I just make the poly a little looser, and mist when needed




Same here.  I've got some more jiffy mix pasteurizing right now, so hopefully I can case another two to the 1:2 ratio tubs I made about a week ago.  This experiment is really starting to pick up the pace!


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22214975 - 09/09/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you have enough fae, hole placement isn't super important. I still use totes with bad hole placements (not at substrate surface level). I just make the poly a little looser, and mist when needed




Same here.  I've got some more jiffy mix pasteurizing right now, so hopefully I can case another two to the 1:2 ratio tubs I made about a week ago.  This experiment is really starting to pick up the pace!




Cool, let me know how your's turn out.  It would be cool to compare!


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22216784 - 09/10/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



Quick update!  I just cased two more 66qt mono's that were spawned at 1:2.  Total colonization time before casing was 7 days.  The second mono looked very similar to the one pictured above.  There are four more mono's still in colonization behind these two, and four that are currently in fruiting.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22216801 - 09/10/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:popcorn:

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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: Mr.PhilCybin] * 1
    #22237965 - 09/14/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

 

Finally!  We've got pins.  Here's a pic of one of the two tubs that are finally pinning.  The second pic is of one of the other ten tubs that was cased and showing signs of hyphal knotting. 

Mycology is kinda like watching a firework go off in extreme slow motion, one frame every six hours for a week.  These little pins are just the beginning of that firework.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22238136 - 09/14/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Mycology is kinda like watching a firework go off in extreme slow motion, one frame every six hours for a week.



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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22244404 - 09/16/15 04:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

 

Making real progress!  One of the 1:4 uncased tubs is well into pinning.  Eight of the ten tubs are in fruiting, with the last two waiting for their casing layers to colonize a bit more before patching.  I'm seriously running out of room here!


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22248821 - 09/16/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nice!:threadmonitor:


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: Darkhome]
    #22249494 - 09/17/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



Unfortunately, I was forced to perform surgery on one of the 1:4 uncased tubs.  It was showing signs of mold along the edge so I took out a large section and covered the area with salt.  I'm buying time at this point, but since it is so close to harvest, I didn't want to toss it just yet.  I moved this tub to another room in my house, and I plan on tossing it as soon as I harvest.  If I had to guess, I would say that it has another 3 days or so before it's ready to be plucked.

   

The other 1:4 uncased mono is looking good and is just a little further along in it's development.  Looks like a decent pinset with no mutant blobs that I can see, which is also a good thing  This has definitely not been my experience growing PE.  First flushes uncased have always yielded me mutants.  If I had to guess, it's another 2-3 days until harvest on that one.  The two 1:4 cased monos are doing good, showing a nice pinset, but some myco piss is apparent on both tubs.  The camera's flash makes it look much worse than it is, so I think I'm going to hold off on misting for the time being.  By the looks of it, they seem to be on track to harvest in about one week.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22249694 - 09/17/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Unfortunately, I was forced to perform surgery on one of the 1:4 uncased tubs.  It was showing signs of mold along the edge so I took out a large section and covered the area with salt.  I'm buying time at this point, but since it is so close to harvest, I didn't want to toss it just yet.  I moved this tub to another room in my house, and I plan on tossing it as soon as I harvest.  If I had to guess, I would say that it has another 3 days or so before it's ready to be plucked.

   





Not sure how keen you are on ID'ing contam's but if you really think you've got mold on a tub, then throw that thing out immediately and don't even try and get anything off it. You could compromise your whole room for the sake of a few fruits from that tub.

If its bacteria then you may get away with fruiting it out and not having too much a risk of it spreading but if i had a grow that big and saw anything nasty that shit would go out the door yesterday.

Sure you isolated it but if its really mold you'll get spores all over yourself anytime you walk into that room and those can track anywhere.

If it was a tub or two then maybe, just maybe, try and save it but it looks like you got a lot going on there

p.s  the rest of it looks great :thumbup::thumbup: but whats up with the hole placement on that tub with like 20 1" holes? lol


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #22249739 - 09/17/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have no idea what I was thinking on that tub's hole placement.  :facepalm3:  I made it several years ago in my less experienced cultivation days.  I think that the reason I chose that configuration was because I didn't have a 2" bit on hand, and the largest one I had was the 1".  To compensate, I just drilled a lot of 1" holes. That tub is the only one getting fanned since I am worried that it won't get enough FAE.  I've used it in the past without issue, and to be honest, I'm not convinced that hole placement is an exact science.  That being said, all of the new tubs I make will have the standard four 1.5" holes at substrate level, and two 2" holes high up on the short side. Keeping things consistent is always nice.

Here is my reasoning on the contaminated tub.  I removed it from the room as soon as I suspected trich.  I debrided the contaminated spot, and disposed of the section of substrate immediately.  Had i just tossed the whole sub, it would have spread the spores an equal amount.  Since the tub is isolated from the others and won't be opened until it is ready for harvest, I'm not convinced it poses a huge risk.  I doubt the mold will be back within 3 days, considering the how much of the substrate around the small spot was removed.  Am I taking a risk, sure.  But, there are plenty of mold spores coming into and out of the house every day that have no connection to those that came from this tub.  Fully colonized substrate is contaminate resistant to a degree, so I think the others will all do okay.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22255125 - 09/18/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

   


The two 1:4 cased mono's are really taking off, and I have to say that I'm pretty happy with the pinset on each of these compared to the uncased tubs.  They may not look cased from the photos, but that is because I applied too thin (1/4") of a casing layer and the mycelium gobbled it up like no one's business.  All of the other mono's in this grow were given a 1/2" thick casing layer and patched, so hopefully they won't overtake it as easily as these did.  I'm still waiting on the rest of the 1:2 mono's to start showing signs of pins.

One thing that I do notice is that most of the pins seem to be concentrated towards the center of the tub, and that there are far fewer surrounding the substrate's edges.  I'm really interested to see how these continue to do, since they are my first cased tubs I've ever done.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22255166 - 09/18/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Looks fantastic man :thumbup:


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22255530 - 09/18/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks!  I'm really anxious to see how these yield compared to the uncased mono's.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22263943 - 09/20/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

     

Mono #2 was harvested with a total dry weight of 60.7 grams.  Definitely a little disappointing, but considering it contaminated, I'm lucky to have gotten anything at all.  The substrate was tossed out after harvest. I will have to say, I'm happy that this tub didn't produce any mutants, considering the fact that it was uncased.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22264014 - 09/20/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: tripdawg420]
    #22270454 - 09/21/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

         

Mono #1 spawned at 1:4 and uncased was harvested.  I was pretty grateful that there weren't any first flush mutants.  Overall, I was pretty happy with how it performed.  Final dry weight was 111.2 grams, or 1.3 ounces dry per quart.  That is definitely good performance.  Due to the contamination of two of my other 1:4 mono's, I decided to toss the substrate after harvest.


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Re: My 1:4 spawn ratio and cased vs uncased experiment! [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22270486 - 09/21/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

   

Mono #4 was a bonafide crash and burn.  Trich returned, so it had to be harvested and tossed.  Most of the fruits were pretty small, and the final dry weight was 20 grams even.  Very disappointing considering this was the second 1:4 ratio tub that suffered contams before the first flush finished. On the upside, mono #3 (not pictured) is looking great and will be harvested very soon, but this experiment has kinda turned me off of 1:4 spawn ratios due to slow colonization and early contamination.


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