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Jill Stein - Green Party
    #22133123 - 08/23/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, I'm curious what you guys think of Jill Stein from the Green Party?

Obviously she would never win the presidential election, but I like her, and I think it takes nerve to do what she is doing.

What do you guys think?


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22142307 - 08/25/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So, I'm curious what you guys think of Jill Stein from the Green Party?

Obviously she would never win the presidential election, but I like her, and I think it takes nerve to do what she is doing.

What do you guys think?




I think that she will do better than the rest. 




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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22142586 - 08/25/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Better than the rest of what?


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22144559 - 08/26/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Better than the rest of what?




She's better than the rest of the recent presidents, from Reagan to Obama. She is very educated, and which she cannot be fooled by the lobbyist or the friends of them. We need someone that know how to think, like Lincoln was a very educated president that cannot be made a fool out of, and JFK as well. We need educated presidents that has an sharp analytical mind to improve things. Right now, you can see what kind of minds that the past presidents has, by the fruit of their labors.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22144863 - 08/26/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know much about her but I'm probably more in line with the green party than any other.

How would a Bernie/Stein ticket play out?  Can he tap someone that's not a d for the d ticket?  Would it be to weird?  Should he balance out his ticket with a moderate?

Seems like doubling down and having a woman on the ticket might work.  I'd like to see Bernie/Warren but I'd hate to lose her in the Senate too.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22144868 - 08/26/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If Bernie gets the nomination he better put trump as his VP to ensure he survives his presidency.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #22145191 - 08/26/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The green party will always be fringe.  Their platform is based on empty ideals that, if followed, would only serve to make the human experience worse than it already is.

Fuck jill stein.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Enlil]
    #22146286 - 08/26/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The green party will always be fringe.  Their platform is based on empty ideals that, if followed, would only serve to make the human experience worse than it already is.

Fuck jill stein.




I don't know what their platform is entirely. I just like the idea of a 3rd party gaining some momentum in this country. Just not the Tea Party.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22146891 - 08/26/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It doesn't really matter who the president is anymore.  This ship has been on autopilot for a long time.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Enlil]
    #22147496 - 08/26/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It doesn't really matter who the president is anymore.  This ship has been on autopilot for a long time.




It matters. The president can go to war with Russia.

I think congress matters more than 99% of ppl even realize.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22148176 - 08/26/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>Lincoln was a very educated president that cannot be made a fool out of, and JFK as well.

JFK was an idiot in many ways. His major blunder being the bay of pigs. I know all the excuses people make for that, bottom line is if you are going to do something do it right or don't do it at all. He wimped out on air support which he promised and that doomed them. It could have been a clean coup but he fumbled as bad as an obumble.

His other blunder which arguably cost him his life was double crossing the mafia. His father made a deal with the mob for their support. In case you forgot, jfk won by a razor thin margin and the mob's help was crucial. When he set bobby against the mob they justifiably felt betrayed and with allies in govt who hated the bum, they took him out. You either leave the mob alone or you keep your end of a deal. Double crossers end up in ditches.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22148250 - 08/26/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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>Lincoln was a very educated president that cannot be made a fool out of, and JFK as well.

JFK was an idiot in many ways. His major blunder being the bay of pigs. I know all the excuses people make for that, bottom line is if you are going to do something do it right or don't do it at all. He wimped out on air support which he promised and that doomed them. It could have been a clean coup but he fumbled as bad as an obumble.

His other blunder which arguably cost him his life was double crossing the mafia. His father made a deal with the mob for their support. In case you forgot, jfk won by a razor thin margin and the mob's help was crucial. When he set bobby against the mob they justifiably felt betrayed and with allies in govt who hated the bum, they took him out. You either leave the mob alone or you keep your end of a deal. Double crossers end up in ditches.




You really want to get into the JFK discussin again. I think you misrepresent history in the most discriminatory way possible toward JFK.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22148272 - 08/26/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Got anything specific to back that up with woozy? I didn't think so.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Enlil]
    #22154866 - 08/28/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The green party will always be fringe.  Their platform is based on empty ideals that, if followed, would only serve to make the human experience worse than it already is.

Fuck jill stein.





Bullshit. But yes the autopilt remark is true so theres that :lol:

I voted Jill Stein last election because Paul wasnt on the ballot in MI


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: DeadHearts]
    #22155253 - 08/28/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There is nothing wrong with voting third party no matter what the pro-govt shills tell you. Vote third party unless an outsider gets the nomination this time.

I happen to think bobby kennedy was taken out by the mob too. They realized he was just a tool so they whacked his brother first. They would have done him too but a sitting ag has protection and its a big job. But when bobby started running for the white house they were not going to allow that. I don't know how they got sirhan, maybe he really wanted to get rfk and they provided the support. Its like asking how they got ruby and kept him quiet. So the two involved in double crossing the mob both got hit but very few have questioned the events surrounding rfk's assassination.

The media deified jfk, people wrote songs about him and a cult was born, totally undeserved. The closest comparison might be to mandela, who was likewise raised to hero status despite a violent and evil past. The left has to search really hard for heroes, they have no real ones so they take what they can scrape up. They are working on obumble but it brings to mind the saying about polishing a turd.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Enlil]
    #22159204 - 08/29/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The green party will always be fringe.  Their platform is based on empty ideals that, if followed, would only serve to make the human experience worse than it already is.






Oh, I get it. They are the same thing as modern democrats and republicans. :smirk:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22160626 - 08/29/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The green party will always be fringe.  Their platform is based on empty ideals that, if followed, would only serve to make the human experience worse than it already is.






Oh, I get it. They are the same thing as modern democrats and republicans. :smirk:




Actually better, because Enlil is only referring to their energy and economic policy, I assume.

I think even something really stupid, but different, would be beneficial these days. Something to shake up the power structure for a few years and throw it out of balance so we can reclaim things.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22162503 - 08/29/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The green party will always be fringe.  Their platform is based on empty ideals that, if followed, would only serve to make the human experience worse than it already is.






Oh, I get it. They are the same thing as modern democrats and republicans. :smirk:




Actually better, because Enlil is only referring to their energy and economic policy, I assume.

I think even something really stupid, but different, would be beneficial these days. Something to shake up the power structure for a few years and throw it out of balance so we can reclaim things.





That's a pretty low bar you set.  but in today's system, you could put a mongoloid idiot in the white house and he would probably do just about as good as any of the modern tools.  Hmm, on second thought, it would probably be an improvement.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22162639 - 08/29/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The green party will always be fringe.  Their platform is based on empty ideals that, if followed, would only serve to make the human experience worse than it already is.






Oh, I get it. They are the same thing as modern democrats and republicans. :smirk:




Actually better, because Enlil is only referring to their energy and economic policy, I assume.

I think even something really stupid, but different, would be beneficial these days. Something to shake up the power structure for a few years and throw it out of balance so we can reclaim things.





That's a pretty low bar you set.  but in today's system, you could put a mongoloid idiot in the white house and he would probably do just about as good as any of the modern tools.  Hmm, on second thought, it would probably be an improvement.




It depends. See, I like the fact that these tree hugger bitches are anti-war. If you get some fuckin hot headed backwoods redneck from Texas... or some shit like that.. Now you gotta worry about nukes flyin, and the national debt tripling.

On the same token, a lot of the shit that fucks this country over is intentional. It's done on the behalf of wealthy interest groups so Mr. President can go on after is last term and give speeches for $300,000 or whatever. So if we get some dumbass who doesn't even know what's in their best interest personally... might be better. It's worth a shot anyway. Lets shake some shit up, fuckit!


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22163227 - 08/30/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The green party will always be fringe.  Their platform is based on empty ideals that, if followed, would only serve to make the human experience worse than it already is.






Oh, I get it. They are the same thing as modern democrats and republicans. :smirk:




Actually better, because Enlil is only referring to their energy and economic policy, I assume.

I think even something really stupid, but different, would be beneficial these days. Something to shake up the power structure for a few years and throw it out of balance so we can reclaim things.





That's a pretty low bar you set.  but in today's system, you could put a mongoloid idiot in the white house and he would probably do just about as good as any of the modern tools.  Hmm, on second thought, it would probably be an improvement.





Every 4 years the bar has and is already set to the lowest point. I still cant believe people by and large accept these idiots and media darlings
As the best this country has to offer. Pathetic.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: DeadHearts]
    #22163313 - 08/30/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No argument here.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22163366 - 08/30/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ill seomd that.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23496888 - 07/31/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Here's a recent post of Jill.


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    #23497151 - 07/31/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

im not seeing it....?


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23497291 - 07/31/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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im not seeing it....?




Everyone on this site are only with the two parties system. They doesn't know nothing about the third. And then there are paid trolls that pretending to belong to a certain party in order to manipulate the other into voting for whom they want, and to keep other from knowing what the third party is all about. Because the most of Bernie's supporters are third party that believes that they need to belong to major party in order to get things done, and which that makes no exposure for the third. And so if the Ex-Bernie Bros would join the third at this election, then that will give the third party a chance to win the next following election. Because more people will start investing into it, instead of looking at it as a hopeless party. But right now, it is to late to revive the third party, because it is instilled in everyone's minds, the images of the members of the two major parties.
If Jill can be able to do something miraculous, in order to get everyone attention and listen to her, then she might have a chance this election. But right now, Bernie has drawn everyone attention of the green party to the democratic party. But now they are lost sheep that were convinced that there's no hope, that Trump is the enemy and Hillary is their savior, the great glowing goddess. 







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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23497445 - 08/01/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So, I'm curious what you guys think of Jill Stein from the Green Party?

Obviously she would never win the presidential election, but I like her, and I think it takes nerve to do what she is doing.

What do you guys think?




Wow! You knew about Jill Stein that long ago. I just recently looked into her..say, about a month and a half ago. I was all board the Bernie train for a while.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: big_scrappy97]
    #23500042 - 08/01/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

She's picking up some steam!  :shrug:





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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23510566 - 08/04/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #23510964 - 08/04/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Bernie isn't a sellout. He's a man of his word. The Democratic party sold out.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23510992 - 08/04/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

By pleading no contest at the convention?

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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #23511304 - 08/04/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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By pleading no contest at the convention?

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Clinton won. He promised to endorse the winner. He kept his promise.

Look, we could go back and forth on whether or not he should have done it, but I respect him enough to leave that decision up to him. I believe he did what he thought was best, knowing full well that he would pay dearly for it, which I believe he is, because of people like you.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23511312 - 08/04/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He didnt just endorse her though, he full on threw in the towel



He claimed she was unfit for office now hes saying shes the only one fit for office.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23511588 - 08/05/16 03:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As disgusting as it is to say, in this race, he's probably right. Trump sure as hell isn't fit for POTUS.


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As disgusting as it is to say, in this race, he's probably right. Trump sure as hell isn't fit for POTUS.




Trump is fit to be president. The Saudis wants Hillary to be president because she will ignore the inhumane things that they are practicing in Saudi Arabia. But they see Trump as a threat. If the people pressures him into doing something about their inhumane practices, that he will give in and do as they want him to do. But the Saudis like it the way it is; the way it feels when Obama be kissing on their sweaty bottoms, and now they are looking forward for hillary doing the same as well. 


Even by the standards of arms deals between the United States and Saudi Arabia, this one was enormous. A consortium of American defense contractors led by Boeing would deliver $29 billion worth of advanced fighter jets to the United States' oil-rich ally in the Middle East. http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

WASHINGTON – The U.S.-led coalition against Saddam Hussein a decade ago spent hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives. Now, in a new twist, Iraqi parliamentarians have accused the United States and its Western allies of helping the terror army ISIS by secretly dropping arms to prolong the conflict, according to a new report from Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/iraqis-accuse-u-s-of-helping-isis/#ob6SyyuLZrDfjUvE.99

Russia Accuses U.S. of Supporting the Islamic State (ISIS) in Syria. “Seeding Disastrous Consequences” http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-accuses-u-s-of-supporting-the-islamic-state-isis-in-syria-seeding-disastrous-consequences/5422251

Prison for female driving, death for dissent, lashes for liberalism - these are some of the punishments, human rights groups say, Saudi Arabia has handed down in recent months. http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/15/middleeast/saudi-arabia-justice/index.html




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    #23522005 - 08/08/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It is quite clear that Trump is a child with a hypersensitive, fragile yet inflated ego. Trump voters are useful idiots, as were Clinton voters in the primaries. Now we have little choice, though I will probably not be voting, or cast a protest vote this year. Clinton is a terrible person, and her presidency is sure to be rife with scandal.


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    #23522037 - 08/08/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What's interesting is how much negative press Jill Stein is starting to get; much like we saw with Bernie.  Clearly the Establishment is very nervous about her becoming another Sanders type threat, and wants to prevent that from ever happening.

Down with the Establishment, vote Stein if you liked Bernie.


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What's interesting is how much negative press Jill Stein is starting to get; much like we saw with Bernie.  Clearly the Establishment is very nervous about her becoming another Sanders type threat, and wants to prevent that from ever happening.

Down with the Establishment, vote Stein if you liked Bernie.




I will be casting my vote for Stein.

'The Establishment' is quite unfriendly to left-wing politics in this country (economics particularly). There is no left wing voice in America. I was having a discussion with LDS a few weeks ago about this. We have no left wing party, and no room for left wing politics. We have a corporatist centrist party (Democrats) and a pretty radical right wing party. That is all the powerful elite in America will permit, if we do not insist.

I think that on the whole the American people are center-left on social issues, and quite right-wing on economic issues. We are a small minority without a voice, Falcon, though that seems to be changing. Right wing rhetoric is much more easily packaged and accessible. It is slogan based, and readily takes advantage of the 'common enemy', which never seems to be the true enemy of the people.


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I think im most likely going for Stein as well


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    #23522574 - 08/08/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with you wooof.

And I too will be voting for Stien.  I hope the momentum keeps up.  I honestly don't care if this costs Clinton the presidency.  It's her own damn fault if she keeps supporting the establishment above the people.

Of course, if she renounces her ties to Wall St and the Military Industrial Complex, I'll reconsider, but this is looking more and more unlikely.  :shrug:


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    #23522578 - 08/08/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

She aint renouncing shit man


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I agree with you wooof.

And I too will be voting for Stien.  I hope the momentum keeps up.  I honestly don't care if this costs Clinton the presidency.  It's her own damn fault if she keeps supporting the establishment above the people.

Of course, if she renounces her ties to Wall St and the Military Industrial Complex, I'll reconsider, but this is looking more and more unlikely.  :shrug:





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She aint renouncing shit man





:whathesaid:

When she brought DWS into her campaign after resigning, she basically gave Bernie supporters the bird. I also heard a couple months ago that she was going after Jeb!'s donors, so she isn't likely to win over my support anytime soon. Assange will continue to leak dirt on Clinton and the DNC. Her presidential bid is looking quite pathetic at this point.

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What's interesting is how much negative press Jill Stein is starting to get; much like we saw with Bernie.  Clearly the Establishment is very nervous about her becoming another Sanders type threat, and wants to prevent that from ever happening.

Down with the Establishment, vote Stein if you liked Bernie.




I agree! Bernie was a sellout and wound up being a turncoat POS to his own agenda, maybe jill Will prove to have a bit more courage


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I also heard a couple months ago that she was going after Jeb!'s donors, so she isn't likely to win over my support anytime soon.



A lot of rich Republicans, like Meg Whitman, are starting to support Hillary.  That scares the hell out of me.  Also a lot of establishment Republican officials.

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Clinton's only saving grace is that she is running against the worst presidential candidate in American history.



Though Trump has said a lot of dumb things, I actually believe he's getting very unfair coverage by the mainstream media who are taking things out of context and twisting the truth.

For example, the New York Times just posted an article by a former CIA director stating "In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation."

That sounded pretty bad, so I read the article and learned that because Trump doesn't agree with establishment politics on Foreign Affairs, he is an "unwitting" Russian agent.  What a load of bullshit.

I lost my respect for the New York Times when they did the same type of thing with Bernie.  They're no longer a liberal paper, they're an establishment paper.


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Fucking hilarious to see dems get a taste of what republicans have put up with generations now... :lol:


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Fucking hilarious to see dems get a taste of what republicans have put up with generations now... :lol:



Perhaps you missed that I called out the Times for being unfair to a REPUBLICAN.  I'm perfectly fine with a liberal bias, but I'm not ok when the truth gets twisted.  This is a recent trend for the NY Times.


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    #23522921 - 08/08/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Perhaps you missed that I called out the Times for being unfair to a REPUBLICAN.  I'm perfectly fine with a liberal bias, but I'm not ok when the truth gets twisted.  This is a recent trend for the NY Times.




You really should ignore him. As I have said before, be part of something bigger than yourself, a movement to bring intellectual conversation back to the shroomery!

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I also heard a couple months ago that she was going after Jeb!'s donors, so she isn't likely to win over my support anytime soon.



A lot of rich Republicans, like Meg Whitman, are starting to support Hillary.  That scares the hell out of me.  Also a lot of establishment Republican officials.

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Clinton's only saving grace is that she is running against the worst presidential candidate in American history.



Though Trump has said a lot of dumb things, I actually believe he's getting very unfair coverage by the mainstream media who are taking things out of context and twisting the truth.

For example, the New York Times just posted an article by a former CIA director stating "In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation."

That sounded pretty bad, so I read the article and learned that because Trump doesn't agree with establishment politics on Foreign Affairs, he is an "unwitting" Russian agent.  What a load of bullshit.

I lost my respect for the New York Times when they did the same type of thing with Bernie.  They're no longer a liberal paper, they're an establishment paper.





I think the NYT is about as establishment as news media gets, tbh. I don't expect any better from them. They have been attacking Assange also.

What we do know about Trump is that he is a very vulnerable man. There are countless examples of his fragile ego leading him places he would not otherwise go, including running for president in the first place. Putin is well versed in manipulation tactics, and Trump will be very easily manipulated. He has already begun the process.


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    #23522946 - 08/08/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Fucking hilarious to see dems get a taste of what republicans have put up with generations now... :lol:



Perhaps you missed that I called out the Times for being unfair to a REPUBLICAN.  I'm perfectly fine with a liberal bias, but I'm not ok when the truth gets twisted.  This is a recent trend for the NY Times.




BS! The NYT has been doing this shit for years, only because it's happened to a fucking democrat, NOW you notice, or merely now you've acknowledged it, either way, it's delicious seeing you libs get a taste of your own medicine!:lol:


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What we do know about Trump is that he is a very vulnerable man. There are countless examples of his fragile ego leading him places he would not otherwise go



I agree.

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Putin is well versed in manipulation tactics, and Trump will be very easily manipulated. He has already begun the process.



I'm not so sure.  :shrug:

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    #23525620 - 08/09/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That interview was interesting. It's funny to see CNN saying, 'people are tired of hearing this disrespect toward the Trump and Clinton campaigns'. People aren't tired of hearing it. People are saying it. The opinion polls of these two candidates are abysmal.


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    #23525642 - 08/09/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jill Stein will make a good president, but it is to far along down the road to even focus on voting for her. All it will do is make Hillary to become the winner of the election. Jill doesn't have that much air time to be embedded into the minds of the people. When election time will come, that the memories of her will just fade away. All that will be in people's thoughts, is the essence of her and which she does has some of Hillary's characteristics. Like a woman with short hair style that wears pant suits. Especially the elderly will get crossed up between her and Hillary and will accidentally vote for Hillary thinking that Jill is Hillary. She needs to make a bigger impression. But I like some of the things that she had said. She does want GMO products to be labeled and that she wants more studies done on GMO's by a trustworthy food and medical organizations to make sure that they are safe and the vaccines as well. But the media has kept her quiet during these debates so that the public will not know about what is going on under our noses.


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    #23525683 - 08/09/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Jill Stein will make a good president, but it is to far along down the road to even focus on voting for her. All it will do is make Hillary to become the winner of the election.




Quite the opposite, actually. Do you understand American politics at all? The Green party is splitting the Democratic vote, generally speaking. Therefore, voting for her benefits Trump.


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Jill Stein will make a good president, but it is to far along down the road to even focus on voting for her. All it will do is make Hillary to become the winner of the election.




Quite the opposite, actually. Do you understand American politics at all? The Green party is splitting the Democratic vote, generally speaking. Therefore, voting for her benefits Trump.





That's BS, he's a Hillary supporter, he wants her, all the way:cookiemonster:


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Jill Stein will make a good president, but it is to far along down the road to even focus on voting for her. All it will do is make Hillary to become the winner of the election.




Quite the opposite, actually. Do you understand American politics at all? The Green party is splitting the Democratic vote, generally speaking. Therefore, voting for her benefits Trump.




From what I have seen, that most of Bernie's bros are moving on up to Trump. They are tired of Hillary's games.








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From what I have seen, that most of Bernie's bros are moving on up to Trump. They are tired of Hillary's games.





Ehh..I wouldn't say most. This poll says roughly 55% of Sander's supporters will vote for Clinton and 22% said they will vote for Trump. 22% is still a substantial number. The only issue with this poll is they didn't suggest Stein. They may not have added her because she really doesn't have a chance as of right now (or at all to admit).

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Quite the opposite, actually. Do you understand American politics at all? The Green party is splitting the Democratic vote, generally speaking. Therefore, voting for her benefits Trump.





That's BS, he's a Hillary supporter, he wants her, all the way:cookiemonster:




How is that "BS"? It is true.  :facepalm:
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From what I have seen, that most of Bernie's bros are moving on up to Trump. They are tired of Hillary's games.





Ehh..I wouldn't say most. This poll says roughly 55% of Sander's supporters will vote for Clinton and 22% said they will vote for Trump. 22% is still a substantial number. The only issue with this poll is they didn't suggest Stein. They may not have added her because she really doesn't have a chance as of right now (or at all to admit).

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-22/nearly-half-of-sanders-supporters-won-t-support-clinton





I am so tired of what Mr. Poll says.. But from what I see, is that more and more Bernie's supporters doesn't want to have nothing to do with Hillary. That they say that they will support Trump or Jill or else die. And by listening to the crickets' musical at the Clinton's rallies, that it shows that the crickets are doing a come back.


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I am so tired of what Mr. Poll says.. But from what I see, is that more and more Bernie's supporters doesn't want to have nothing to do with Hillary. That they say that they will support Trump or Jill or else die. And by listening to the crickets' musical at the Clinton's rallies, that it shows that the crickets are doing a come back.




I know many previous Bernie supporters that now support Hillary. I don't know any Bernie supporters, other than myself, that now support Trump (even though there are plenty according to Mr. Poll). :strokebeard:

There aren't many people at her rallies because no one is excited to vote for Hillary now. It doesn't mean they aren't voting for her.


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I'll never understand how Bernice supporters can support Hilary after what she did to them. It's just fascinating to watch. It's like Stockholm syndrome


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23529207 - 08/10/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'll never understand how Bernice supporters can support Hilary after what she did to them. It's just fascinating to watch. It's like Stockholm syndrome




You realize all the Bernie supporters on yhis forum have been shit talking Hillary for over a year, right?

The actual left doesnt like her, the centrists are squeamish, but if I gotta deal with a disingenuous corporate dem ill take that over a gop buffoon any day.

Edit: To clarify: Ill be voting Stein but it wont matter as I'm in FL and Hillary will win the state handily.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23529294 - 08/10/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You realize all the Bernie supporters on yhis forum have been shit talking Hillary for over a year, right?

The actual left doesnt like her, the centrists are squeamish, but if I gotta deal with a disingenuous corporate dem ill take that over a gop buffoon any day.

Edit: To clarify: Ill be voting Stein but it wont matter as I'm in FL and Hillary will win the state handily.




Wow, I thought Florida was one of the more contested states, but upon further investigation, it appears that Florida is moving away from being a swing state.

It's strange how coastal areas tend to lean more democratic throughout the country. I suppose that's due to coastal areas having generally higher population density, but I wonder what other factors are involved. Maybe the ocean air is more pure, and doesn't clog their brain with toxins, like a certain oil rigger I know of :wink:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23529321 - 08/10/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23529477 - 08/10/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help




Lol... What's his demographic make up look like? Poorly educated white dudes who chew a lot of tobacco and a few rich assholes.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23529499 - 08/10/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help




So you're saying 8% of Hispanics approve of Trump.  :vibin:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: qman]
    #23529510 - 08/10/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help




So you're saying 8% of Hispanics approve of Trump.  :vibin:




I think he's saying 8% don't disapprove of him. That's not the same thing. It is hilarious that you're so encouraged by single digit numbers though :laugh2:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help




Lol... What's his demographic make up look like? Poorly educated white dudes who chew a lot of tobacco and a few rich assholes.




Some white bitches also support him, real trashy loud mouth tobacco chewing trash. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: qman]
    #23529538 - 08/10/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help




So you're saying 8% of Hispanics approve of Trump.  :vibin:




I think he's saying 8% don't disapprove of him. That's not the same thing. It is hilarious that you're so encouraged by single digit numbers though :laugh2:




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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: qman]
    #23529552 - 08/10/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help




Lol... What's his demographic make up look like? Poorly educated white dudes who chew a lot of tobacco and a few rich assholes.




K, I actually LOL'd at this one

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Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help




Lol... What's his demographic make up look like? Poorly educated white dudes who chew a lot of tobacco and a few rich assholes.




Some white bitches also support him, real trashy loud mouth tobacco chewing trash. :cookiemonster:




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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23529629 - 08/10/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help




So you're saying 8% of Hispanics approve of Trump.  :vibin:




It is hilarious that you're so encouraged by single digit numbers though :laugh2:



I may be wrong, but I think qman was using a "Dumb and Dumber" line:



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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23529652 - 08/10/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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qman said:
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Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help




So you're saying 8% of Hispanics approve of Trump.  :vibin:




It is hilarious that you're so encouraged by single digit numbers though :laugh2:



I may be wrong, but I think qman was using a "Dumb and Dumber" line:





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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23529673 - 08/10/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Trump's 92% disapproval among hispanics certainly doesnt help




So you're saying 8% of Hispanics approve of Trump.  :vibin:




It is hilarious that you're so encouraged by single digit numbers though :laugh2:



I may be wrong, but I think qman was using a "Dumb and Dumber" line:






Yeah, that's exactly the line I was using. I love that movie. :lol:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: big_scrappy97]
    #23530179 - 08/11/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I am so tired of what Mr. Poll says.. But from what I see, is that more and more Bernie's supporters doesn't want to have nothing to do with Hillary. That they say that they will support Trump or Jill or else die. And by listening to the crickets' musical at the Clinton's rallies, that it shows that the crickets are doing a come back.




I know many previous Bernie supporters that now support Hillary. I don't know any Bernie supporters, other than myself, that now support Trump (even though there are plenty according to Mr. Poll). :strokebeard:

There aren't many people at her rallies because no one is excited to vote for Hillary now. It doesn't mean they aren't voting for her.




When I goes driving down the road, that I see a lot of Trump and Hillary signs together on one lawn. But I thought that they were just supporting both parties. Until I had looked very carefully and saw that the Hillary signs said Hillary for prison, but not for president and which I had thought. You doesn't see that much  Hillary's signs unless, it is old signs that never has been taken down from the last election when she was running against obama.




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    #23530227 - 08/11/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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When I goes driving down the road, that I see a lot of Trump and Hillary signs together on one lawn. But I thought that they were just supporting both parties. Until I had looked very carefully and saw that the Hillary signs said Hillary for prison, but not for president and which I had thought. You doesn't see that much  Hillary's signs unless, it is old signs that never has been taken down from the last election when she was running against obama.







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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23530253 - 08/11/16 04:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Watch this video and start it at 3:30 and you will die of laughter at the end. This is a prime example of Alex Jones.  :laugh2:



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    #23530262 - 08/11/16 04:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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When I goes driving down the road, that I see a lot of Trump and Hillary signs together on one lawn. But I thought that they were just supporting both parties. Until I had looked very carefully and saw that the Hillary signs said Hillary for prison, but not for president and which I had thought. You doesn't see that much  Hillary's signs unless, it is old signs that never has been taken down from the last election when she was running against obama.







Do you not speak English or something?.... And gtfoh with Alex Jones. He is a right-wing conspiracy theorist. He is an idiot.




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    #23530271 - 08/11/16 04:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Watch this video and start it at 3:30 and you will die of laughter at the end. This is a prime example of Alex Jones.  :laugh2:








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    #23530432 - 08/11/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Even though im not a fan of alex jones I do agree with a lot of what he says, that video was a mega face palm.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23530531 - 08/11/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hillary will win by 10% and I don't care how many people can't stand her. It's finally time to get real America. Trump, Greens and Independents aren't going to win shit. Try to pretend this isn't your first rodeo.


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    #23530563 - 08/11/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.


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    #23530568 - 08/11/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I got a feeling Clinton is going to win and the trump supporters/third party people are going to freak and marshal law is going to get declared.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23530619 - 08/11/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hillary will win by 10% and I don't care how many people can't stand her. It's finally time to get real America. Trump, Greens and Independents aren't going to win shit. Try to pretend this isn't your first rodeo.




If Trump were just some anti-establishment character who didn't say whacky bigoted shit and make a fool of himself all the time, he would have won. Is someone here saying that Clinton won't win?

I think it's too early to say, but there will be a continuous media bashing of anyone who is not Clinton until November. As I have said before, people are voting Green and Libertarian as a protest to the direction this country has been going. Their votes are being cast to shape the future, not to win the 2016 election. Nobody is under the illusion that the Greens will win come November.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Lucis]
    #23530625 - 08/11/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.




Well, we would likely not be at war anywhere in the world. We would probably close down our military bases across the globe, never to be reopened. They couldn't be reopened once they've been closed. Those at the 'controls of power' would lose quite a lot of footing in the world. I don't know what would happen domestically. It would be a constant struggle.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23530662 - 08/11/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.




Well, we would likely not be at war anywhere in the world. We would probably close down our military bases across the globe, never to be reopened. They couldn't be reopened once they've been closed. Those at the 'controls of power' would lose quite a lot of footing in the world. I don't know what would happen domestically. It would be a constant struggle.




I guess the question I would ask, how would that affect our standard of living?  Our leaders can't tell us how our military presence around the globe makes our lives better, what is the return on investment for US citizens?

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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Lucis]
    #23530882 - 08/11/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.



I suspect it would be a lot like America after FDR.  Higher wages, more domestic jobs, and a strong middle class (provided she can get anything through Congress)


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Sometimes you have to listen to those that the politicians are trying to keep silent. They had done that to Jesus, by executing him, making sure that no one will ever listen to him. And his crime was, that he was bringing in the truth. Letting other to know that people are weak to temptation that they are not to be trusted, that they only has concern for themselves not for others.



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Good job. 5 out of the millions of conspiracy theories that have come and gone. This guy thinks this country is ran by lizards. :facepalm:

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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Lucis]
    #23531101 - 08/11/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.




Ehh. Probably in much greater debt honestly. Stein's idea of how to fund tuition-free college was enough for me to realize her tax plan is garbage. She wants to basically borrow more money to "bail out this generation like we bailed out the big banks and Wall Street." The only issue is Wall Street paid the money back for the most part. Her plan has it to where basically no one that goes to college pays it back(even though doing so would ruin the whole purpose of it). Bernie's tax plan at least made sense. Her's does not.

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    #23531164 - 08/11/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.



Ehh. Probably in much greater debt honestly. Stein's idea of how to fund tuition-free college was enough for me to realize her tax plan is garbage. She wants to basically borrow more money to "bail out this generation like we bailed out the big banks and Wall Street." The only issue is Wall Street paid the money back for the most part. Her plan has it to where basically no one that goes to college pays it back(even though doing so would ruin the whole purpose of it). Bernie's tax plan at least made sense. Her's does not.



I agree that Bernie's tax plan made sense; we analyzed it in depth in the Political Forum (except the people that didn't know math well enough to participate).

I thought Jill had very similar ideas to Bernie regarding her funding plans, but I'm not certain.  Do you have a link to something Jill Stein said that supports your statement above?


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    #23531593 - 08/11/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Sometimes you have to listen to those that the politicians are trying to keep silent. They had done that to Jesus, by executing him, making sure that no one will ever listen to him. And his crime was, that he was bringing in the truth. Letting other to know that people are weak to temptation that they are not to be trusted, that they only has concern for themselves not for others.



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Good job. 5 out of the millions of conspiracy theories that have come and gone. This guy thinks this country is ran by lizards. :facepalm:

Also, if you would like to be taken seriously don't quote an ancient book written by man in an ancient civilization with little to no understanding of science.




No, it is the Elite and the DNC that thinks that the people are dumb as a lizard. And there is more uncovered conspiracies on that web page. Every generation that appears, away says that the last generation were the dark period of our lives. And the next will be saying that as well about us. They will say that our generation has allowed election fraud until Trump has came into power.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23536808 - 08/13/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree that Bernie's tax plan made sense; we analyzed it in depth in the Political Forum (except the people that didn't know math well enough to participate).

I thought Jill had very similar ideas to Bernie regarding her funding plans, but I'm not certain.  Do you have a link to something Jill Stein said that supports your statement above?




Start at 17:35 when she describes her plan. Bernie's plan made sense, hers does not.



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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23536823 - 08/13/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No, it is the Elite and the DNC that thinks that the people are dumb as a lizard. And there is more uncovered conspiracies on that web page. Every generation that appears, away says that the last generation were the dark period of our lives. And the next will be saying that as well about us. They will say that our generation has allowed election fraud until Trump has came into power.









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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: big_scrappy97]
    #23536965 - 08/13/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Sometimes you have to listen to those that the politicians are trying to keep silent. They had done that to Jesus, by executing him, making sure that no one will ever listen to him. And his crime was, that he was bringing in the truth. Letting other to know that people are weak to temptation that they are not to be trusted, that they only has concern for themselves not for others.



1. The US Department of the Treasury poisoned alcohol during Prohibition — and people died.

2. The US Public Health Service lied about treating black men with syphilis for more than 40 years.

3. More than 100 million Americans received a polio vaccine contaminated with a potentially cancer-causing virus.

4. Parts of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which led to US intervention in Vietnam, never happened.

5. Military leaders reportedly planned terrorist attacks in the US to drum up support for a war against Cuba.
http://www.businessinsider.com/true-government-conspiracies-2013-12


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Good job. 5 out of the millions of conspiracy theories that have come and gone. This guy thinks this country is ran by lizards. :facepalm:

Also, if you would like to be taken seriously don't quote an ancient book written by man in an ancient civilization with little to no understanding of science.




I was wondering about that lizard statement. Why did you used a lizard as a metaphor or something. So you are referring to the reptilian race? I don't know about the lizard people, but I do know that there's something fishy going on in them woods. And it isn't the fishes that are swimming in the streams that I am referring to. But what I am referring to is a bunch of smelly old politicians going out in the woods doing what... Makes you wonder why would Bill Clinton suddenly pulls out his penis to Paula Jones as if it was the ordinary thing to do. He had expected that Paula's response suppose of had been different, as if he had thought that the government only hires his type of people. But I guess that is what the government goal is to do.








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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: big_scrappy97]
    #23538215 - 08/13/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.



Ehh. Probably in much greater debt honestly. Stein's idea of how to fund tuition-free college was enough for me to realize her tax plan is garbage. She wants to basically borrow more money to "bail out this generation like we bailed out the big banks and Wall Street."



Do you have a link to something Jill Stein said that supports your statement above?



Start at 17:35 when she describes her plan. Bernie's plan made sense, hers does not.





What she's proposing wouldn't raise the national debt by a single penny as you suggested in the quote above.  What she's proposing is to print new money to pay for student debt.

With that said, I am opposed to printing money to pay for things because that leads to inflation.  We need to leave monetary policy to the Fed, whose job it is to prevent inflation from going too high.

But it's nice to see that Jill is at least trying to help Main St rather than Wall St.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23538258 - 08/13/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What she's proposing wouldn't raise the national debt by a single penny as you suggested in the quote above.  What she's proposing is to print new money to pay for student debt.

With that said, I am opposed to printing money to pay for things because that leads to inflation.  We need to leave monetary policy to the Fed, whose job it is to prevent inflation from going too high.

But it's nice to see that Jill is at least trying to help Main St rather than Wall St.




I understand that it wouldn't be raised with tuition free college. I was suggesting that (with keeping her approach on college in mind) her other ways of paying for things won't be so bright.

And yes, I agree. The only issue is she has no shot.

My only hope is Donald Trump is exposing the Republican Party for what it is and is still left on his issues like he has been his whole life. Then, he wins the election and fucks over the entire Republican Party. Wouldn't that be awesome. :lol:


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    #23538291 - 08/13/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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My only hope is Donald Trump is exposing the Republican Party for what it is and is still left on his issues like he has been his whole life. Then, he wins the election and fucks over the entire Republican Party. Wouldn't that be awesome. :lol:



I can't support a candidate who believes in trickle down economics.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23538771 - 08/13/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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My only hope is Donald Trump is exposing the Republican Party for what it is and is still left on his issues like he has been his whole life. Then, he wins the election and fucks over the entire Republican Party. Wouldn't that be awesome. :lol:



I can't support a candidate who believes in trickle down economics.




I'm just voting for him to say "fuck the DNC". At least he doesn't support the TPP in which all the candidates who have a shot do (Gary Johnson included). :shrug:
That is really the only positive I have about him.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23539041 - 08/13/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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My only hope is Donald Trump is exposing the Republican Party for what it is and is still left on his issues like he has been his whole life. Then, he wins the election and fucks over the entire Republican Party. Wouldn't that be awesome. :lol:



I can't support a candidate who believes in trickle down economics.




It's always shocking to see people who think taxing the middle class more, which is Hilary's and Bernice's position, will somehow make them wealthier:facepalm:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: big_scrappy97]
    #23539481 - 08/14/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that's a positive, and so is the fact that he's not looking for war with Russia as Hillary seems to be.


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    #23544015 - 08/15/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree that's a positive, and so is the fact that he's not looking for war with Russia as Hillary seems to be.




Yes, and those are the only policies that are good. The rest is atrocious. I would probably prefer a Libertarian.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23544082 - 08/15/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Question for HU:

Do you support raising taxes at all?

If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23544163 - 08/15/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree that's a positive, and so is the fact that he's not looking for war with Russia as Hillary seems to be.




Yes, and those are the only policies that are good. The rest is atrocious. I would probably prefer a Libertarian.




Agreed. :thumbup:
Some of his stances aren't the greatest but he is better than the two jokes that are running right now.


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    #23545306 - 08/15/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23545376 - 08/15/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Question for HU:

Do you support raising taxes at all?

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Question for HU:

Do you support raising taxes at all?

If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?







What is your point? I'm sure you have some snide condescending worthless progressive "gotcha" retarded point, so just get on with it already:popcorn:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23545811 - 08/16/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What is your point? I'm sure you have some snide condescending worthless progressive "gotcha" retarded point, so just get on with it already:popcorn:




This guy :lol: You have heard our tax proposals now let's hear yours. You are quick to "debunk" progressive taxes but can't even provide your own. Is it because it is a retarded methodology like trickle down economics?


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    #23545953 - 08/16/16 03:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh yeah she is going to get zillions of electoral votes; oh wait a minute, she's not going to get a single one.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Question for HU:

Do you support raising taxes at all?

If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?




"support raising taxes"

Higher tax rates don't necessarily mean higher tax revenue, so that's a different issue.

Since we have a dying economy we essentially have to run a deficit every year, other wise we would enter a deep deflationary recession.


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Question for HU:

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If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?



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The Ecstatic said:
Question for HU:

Do you support raising taxes at all?

If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?







What is your point? I'm sure you have some snide condescending worthless progressive "gotcha" retarded point, so just get on with it already:popcorn:




You are literally so afraid of contradicting yourself you refuse to answer two simple questions.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: qman] * 1
    #23546253 - 08/16/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Question for HU:

Do you support raising taxes at all?

If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?




"support raising taxes"

Higher tax rates don't necessarily mean higher tax revenue, so that's a different issue.

Since we have a dying economy we essentially have to run a deficit every year, other wise we would enter a deep deflationary recession.




Thats a fair point on the former.

What do you mean by the latter, a dying economy?


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    #23546266 - 08/16/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i believe dying implies that its end is imminent


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    #23546270 - 08/16/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, Merriam Webster.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23547237 - 08/16/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Question for HU:

Do you support raising taxes at all?

If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?




"support raising taxes"

Higher tax rates don't necessarily mean higher tax revenue, so that's a different issue.

Since we have a dying economy we essentially have to run a deficit every year, other wise we would enter a deep deflationary recession.




Thats a fair point on the former.

What do you mean by the latter, a dying economy?




I call a GDP growth rate of 1% for the world's largest economy "a dying economy".  Let me ask you, what do you think the GDP growth would be if we had a balanced budget?    It would be below 0%.

This is what happens when you have over a half trillion trade deficit year after year and nobody calls out currency manipulators! You end up with a dying economy.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: qman]
    #23548572 - 08/16/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Higher tax rates don't necessarily mean higher tax revenue, so that's a different issue.

Since we have a dying economy we essentially have to run a deficit every year, other wise we would enter a deep deflationary recession.




Thats a fair point on the former.

What do you mean by the latter, a dying economy?




I call a GDP growth rate of 1% for the world's largest economy "a dying economy".



GDP growth rate per capita is back to normal.



I don't see why that is a problem.  Can you please explain why the GDP growth rate per capita suddenly needs to go up?

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Let me ask you, what do you think the GDP growth would be if we had a balanced budget?    It would be below 0%.



It would decrease somewhat, but I'm not sure how you arrived at a "below 0%" estimate.  Regardless, the important measure is GDP growth rate per capita, because if GDP goes up for each person in the country, each person should be doing better (if they are being paid fairly).  Can you explain why you think overall GDP growth rate is more important than GDP growth rate per capita, because I don't understand the logic?


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23549107 - 08/17/16 06:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

GDP per capita needs to grow because we have low growth and too much debt, why is that so difficult to understand, what do you think the Bernie supporters are bitching about?

Growth rate per capita is more important the GDP growth, but that doesn't make GDP growth meaningless either.


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    #23549220 - 08/17/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So basically the plan is to continue making concessions to the super rich in the hopes that their already unprecedented wealth accumulation finally begins to trickle down.


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    #23549225 - 08/17/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That plan might work.  The only reason you think it won't is because it never has in the past.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23549249 - 08/17/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So basically the plan is to continue making concessions to the super rich in the hopes that their already unprecedented wealth accumulation finally begins to trickle down.




I'm not sure how you jumped to that conclusion, trickle down economics has clearly not worked very well.

The plan is to stop immigration and get rid of the global trade agreements, that will naturally fix the economic inequality.


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So basically the plan is to continue making concessions to the super rich in the hopes that their already unprecedented wealth accumulation finally begins to trickle down.




I'm not sure how you jumped to that conclusion, trickle down economics has clearly not worked very well.

The plan is to stop immigration and get rid of the global trade agreements, that will naturally fix the economic inequality.




And you see that plan as more plausible than taxing the rich?

Keep in mind, the glory days (before brown people immigration and bad trade deals) had the rich paying a lot more taxes than they do now.

Certainly raising taxes on the rich is part of the equation.


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So basically the plan is to continue making concessions to the super rich in the hopes that their already unprecedented wealth accumulation finally begins to trickle down.




I'm not sure how you jumped to that conclusion, trickle down economics has clearly not worked very well.

The plan is to stop immigration and get rid of the global trade agreements, that will naturally fix the economic inequality.




And you see that plan as more plausible than taxing the rich?

Keep in mind, the glory days (before brown people immigration and bad trade deals) had the rich paying a lot more taxes than they do now.

Certainly raising taxes on the rich is part of the equation.




I'm not opposed to the rich paying more if the inequality isn't fixed, the rich didn't pay as much in actually taxes in the glory days because they had smaller piece of the pie. I would like to return to those days.


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    #23549679 - 08/17/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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GDP per capita needs to grow because we have low growth and too much debt, why is that so difficult to understand



GDP per capita IS GROWING.  At a rate of close to 2% per capita per year.  See the graph above.


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GDP per capita needs to grow because we have low growth and too much debt, why is that so difficult to understand



GDP per capita IS GROWING.  At a rate of close to 2% per capita per year.  See the graph above.




I should have said grow "more".


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GDP per capita needs to grow because we have low growth and too much debt, why is that so difficult to understand



GDP per capita IS GROWING.  At a rate of close to 2% per capita per year.  See the graph above.




I should have said grow "more".



Ok, let's talk about that.  If GDP per capita stayed the same, then everyone's lifestyle should stay about the same.  But GDP per capita is going up nearly 2% per person per year, so if workers were paid fairly (which we know they're not), then people's lifestyles should be getting better by roughly 2% each year.

The problem is the 2% extra productivity we're seeing each year is all going to the 1%.  We need to figure out how to get it back into the hands of the people that actually earned it.

Taxing the rich more is one way to restore middle class wealth.  Middle class America could then pay less for health insurance, public college, and other such things and would be a lot better off.


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    #23549981 - 08/17/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly, and wages are just one side of things.

If we implemented single payer, restored public tuition, invested in public transportation, a lot of the expenses that our middle class deals with (that other first world nations' counterparts need not) would be greatly reduced.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: hostileuniverse] * 3
    #23559315 - 08/20/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm willing to bet if Romney were the GOP nominee, both third parties would be doing better across the board.

Potential Stein (and Johnson) people are too afraid to dump Hillary because they hate Trump.

Even more Johnson people clinging to Trump because they hate Hillary.

Two party system :cookiemonster:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23559484 - 08/20/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

At least with two party system we are not ruled by a minority, the court system does plenty of that :cookiemonster:

That aside, I'd love to see neither Hilary or Trump get the needed electoral votes to win, power to the people!


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23559657 - 08/20/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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At least with two party system we are not ruled by a minority, the court system does plenty of that :cookiemonster:

That aside, I'd love to see neither Hilary or Trump get the needed electoral votes to win, power to the people!





"At least were not ruled by a minority."


"Id love to see the two most popular candidates lose, to then be ruled by a minority."


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23559689 - 08/20/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Your premise is that a President "rules."  I challenge the accuracy of that premise.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #23559850 - 08/20/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dont believe that for a second, just pointing out the inconsistency of his statement.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23559894 - 08/20/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think he was necessarily talking about the president when he mentioned being ruled by the minority.  He was very likely talking about Congress.  His statement about both presidential candidates wouldn't be inconsistent with that since presidents don't rule.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #23559899 - 08/20/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dont see how he could be talking about congress in a response to my post about 3rd party presidential candidates. But ok.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23559907 - 08/20/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Your post did end with the phrase, stated in isolation, "two party system".  I interpreted his post to be first responding to that by pointing out one positive aspect of the two party system, with the second part of his post being about your actual post concerning presidential elections.  He did, after all, begin the second sentence with "that aside,"


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23560364 - 08/20/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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At least with two party system we are not ruled by a minority, the court system does plenty of that :cookiemonster:

That aside, I'd love to see neither Hilary or Trump get the needed electoral votes to win, power to the people!





"At least were not ruled by a minority."


"Id love to see the two most popular candidates lose, to then be ruled by a minority."


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I dont believe that for a second, just pointing out the inconsistency of his statement.



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I dont see how he could be talking about congress in a response to my post about 3rd party presidential candidates. But ok.




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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23566836 - 08/22/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/291759-poll-jill-stein-tied-with-harambe-trailing-deez-nutz-in-texas

She's geting the word out, I think she's got a good shot




Tied with harambe, that's actually pretty impressive. I bet Nader is eating his heart out. But the real question is how the heck is dez nuts in the lead? That video seems ancient.

And honestly, all she needs to aim for us hitting those .5%, 1%, 3% thresholds that will help out future Greens. If the two big parties keep putting out crap candidates we may see one of the thirds get some people in power. They claim to be for boring electoral reform that will chip our current duopoly

She seems a bit of a quack to me though, and she almost makes Clinton seem charismatic imo.


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    #23567033 - 08/22/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
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hostileuniverse said:
At least with two party system we are not ruled by a minority, the court system does plenty of that :cookiemonster:

That aside, I'd love to see neither Hilary or Trump get the needed electoral votes to win, power to the people!





"At least were not ruled by a minority."


"Id love to see the two most popular candidates lose, to then be ruled by a minority."


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Quote:

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I dont believe that for a second, just pointing out the inconsistency of his statement.



Quote:

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I dont see how he could be talking about congress in a response to my post about 3rd party presidential candidates. But ok.




Yeah, most of my points go WAY the fuck over your head, sorry, sometimes i forget who I'm talking to:lol:




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    #23567964 - 08/23/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Glad to see everything has been running smoothly in my absence around here. 
The two party system is a scam, and indeed, to some extent, all parties are a scam in that they attempt to recruit as many members as possible and thereby decrease the chances of being able to pursue the best interests of their constituents.  The fewer parties there are, the more this problem is exacerbated.  Don't take my word for it, just ask some of the Great and Powerful Founding Fathers:

John Adams said:
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Adams

And then there's George Washington:

"17 All obstructions to the execution of the Laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation, the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels, and modified by mutual interests.

18 However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people, and to usurp for themselves the reins of government; destroying afterwards the very engines, which have lifted them to unjust dominion...

20 I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.

21 This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

22 The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.

23 Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

24 It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

25 There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume."
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Washington%27s_Farewell_Address#22

Washington's premise is supported by western history even as far back as the Battle of Marathon.  Without delving too deeply into the story, it goes something like this:  Persians were pissed at Athenians for supporting ethnic greek rebels within Persian territory.  they sailed to greece and parked their boats in a spot that would draw the athenian army out away from the city.  When the athenians got there, the persians got back on their boats and sailed for the undefended city.  the athenians had to run like hell for a bunch of miles to get back to the city before the boats could get there.  Now here is the important part: The Persian plan hinged on the undefended city gates being opened by partisans within the city who had been promised rulership over athens once the fighting was over.
So there you have it, political parties have been undermining democracy from the very beginning.
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Thomas Jefferson:
"My opinion was never worthy enough of notice to merit citing; but since you ask it I will tell it you. I am not a Federalist, because I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all. Therefore I protest to you I am not of the party of federalists. But I am much farther from that of the Antifederalists."
http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/presidents/thomas-jefferson/letters-of-thomas-jefferson/jefl75.php

"I deplore with you the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed, and the malignity, the vulgarity, & mendacious spirit of those who write for them: and I inclose you a recent sample, the production of a New-England judge, as a proof of the abyss of degradation into which we are fallen. these ordures are rapidly depraving the public taste, and lessening it’s relish for sound food. as vehicles of information, and a curb on our functionaries they have rendered themselves useless by forfieting all title to belief. that this has in a great degree been produced by the violence and malignity of party spirit I agree with you..."
http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-07-02-0052

Hamilton:
"And a further reason for caution, in this respect, might be drawn from the reflection that we are not always sure that those who advocate the truth are influenced by purer principles than their antagonists. Ambition, avarice, personal animosity, party opposition, and many other motives not more laudable than these, are apt to operate as well upon those who support as those who oppose the right side of a question. Were there not even these inducements to moderation, nothing could be more ill-judged than that intolerant spirit which has, at all times, characterized political parties. For in politics, as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.

And yet, however just these sentiments will be allowed to be, we have already sufficient indications that it will happen in this as in all former cases of great national discussion. A torrent of angry and malignant passions will be let loose. To judge from the conduct of the opposite parties, we shall be led to conclude that they will mutually hope to evince the justness of their opinions, and to increase the number of their converts by the loudness of their declamations and the bitterness of their invectives. An enlightened zeal for the energy and efficiency of government will be stigmatized as the offspring of a temper fond of despotic power and hostile to the principles of liberty. An over-scrupulous jealousy of danger to the rights of the people, which is more commonly the fault of the head than of the heart, will be represented as mere pretense and artifice, the stale bait for popularity at the expense of the public good. It will be forgotten, on the one hand, that jealousy is the usual concomitant of love, and that the noble enthusiasm of liberty is apt to be infected with a spirit of narrow and illiberal distrust. On the other hand, it will be equally forgotten that the vigor of government is essential to the security of liberty; that, in the contemplation of a sound and well-informed judgment, their interest can never be separated; and that a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants."
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed01.asp

Madison:
"AMONG the numerous advantages promised by a wellconstructed Union, none deserves to be more accurately developed than its tendency to break and control the violence of faction. The friend of popular governments never finds himself so much alarmed for their character and fate, as when he contemplates their propensity to this dangerous vice. He will not fail, therefore, to set a due value on any plan which, without violating the principles to which he is attached, provides a proper cure for it. The instability, injustice, and confusion introduced into the public councils, have, in truth, been the mortal diseases under which popular governments have everywhere perished; as they continue to be the favorite and fruitful topics from which the adversaries to liberty derive their most specious declamations. The valuable improvements made by the American constitutions on the popular models, both ancient and modern, cannot certainly be too much admired; but it would be an unwarrantable partiality, to contend that they have as effectually obviated the danger on this side, as was wished and expected. Complaints are everywhere heard from our most considerate and virtuous citizens, equally the friends of public and private faith, and of public and personal liberty, that our governments are too unstable, that the public good is disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties, and that measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority. However anxiously we may wish that these complaints had no foundation, the evidence, of known facts will not permit us to deny that they are in some degree true...No man is allowed to be a judge in his own cause, because his interest would certainly bias his judgment, and, not improbably, corrupt his integrity. With equal, nay with greater reason, a body of men are unfit to be both judges and parties at the same time; yet what are many of the most important acts of legislation, but so many judicial determinations, not indeed concerning the rights of single persons, but concerning the rights of large bodies of citizens? And what are the different classes of legislators but advocates and parties to the causes which they determine? Is a law proposed concerning private debts? It is a question to which the creditors are parties on one side and the debtors on the other. Justice ought to hold the balance between them. Yet the parties are, and must be, themselves the judges; and the most numerous party, or, in other words, the most powerful faction must be expected to prevail. "
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23568034 - 08/23/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't watched this yet (it's an hour), but apparently CNN did a town hall with Jill Stein and her running mate.



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    #23568307 - 08/23/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They kicked the shit out of the lib town hall IMO


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23568394 - 08/23/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you mean the corporate neocon town hall where they constantly interrupted and cut off the only liberal?


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    #23571590 - 08/24/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I thought stein and baraka gave better answers than johnson and weld


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23572058 - 08/24/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I felt like Johnson/Weld gave more concrete answers than Stein/Baraka. Stein talked about "coming together," "saving the planet," and gave more "eat the rich" type answers. I might agree with Stein's concepts, but I feel like Johnson/Weld had more actual ideas about how to improve the country, but Stein mostly had an idealized endpoint.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Crumist]
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I felt like Johnson/Weld gave more concrete answers than Stein/Baraka. Stein talked about "coming together," "saving the planet," and gave more "eat the rich" type answers. I might agree with Stein's concepts, but I feel like Johnson/Weld had more actual ideas about how to improve the country, but Stein mostly had an idealized endpoint.



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    #23574199 - 08/24/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Um no


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    #23574313 - 08/24/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dont you mean um yes.....?

Johnson and Weld are great guys I just like Stein and Baraka more.


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    #23574618 - 08/24/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Out of curiosity, can you name one of the ideas Johnson has to improve the country?



Um no



Sorry, I saw nothing in those links on how Johnson would improve the country.  Maybe you can help with an example?


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    #23574722 - 08/25/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Dont you mean um yes.....?

Johnson and Weld are great guys I just like Stein and Baraka more.




Jill and Hill, and Baraka and Barack. I am beginning to think that Jill is a part of the Establishment. She knows that she cannot win this election, and so she is sending out subliminal messages to vote for Hillary. Memories of her are not stamped into the peoples minds because she has not been around long enough to make that impression dig real deep. Right now, she just need to go over to the Trump party and talk to Trump about some of her views to see if she can have him to work them into his agenda. But other than that, she should not try to run for the presidential office.






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    #23574835 - 08/25/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You saying shes just another hillary and baraka another barack is the most ignorant thing ive heard all day, its still pretty early though


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    #23575063 - 08/25/16 05:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You saying shes just another hillary and baraka another barack is the most ignorant thing ive heard all day, its still pretty early though




Everytime you think of hillary or Jill, just think of being severely ill. And when you think of Barack or Baraka, just think that it belongs to Zika.

No I'm not saying they are another Barack or hillary. I'm saying that they are a part of the establishment's psychological warfare tactics. No one has ever mentioned or posted about them until now when the election is a few feet away. Well they had posted about Jill in an early post, but only last a moment and forgotten like a flatulent vapor in the wind and which nobody doesn't remember after a couple of hour doing it. But now they are trying to string it along as if she has a chance, but she doesn't. And so I believe that hillary had paid her to come at the end when Bernie's supporters doesn't fall for there trick, to take them from Trump. I know a mind game when I see one...



KING: Hillary Clinton camp now paying online trolls to attack anyone who disparages her online  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-hillary-clinton-paying-trolls-attack-people-online-article-1.2613980

Reddit User Claims He Was Paid to Troll Bernie Sanders Supporters http://socialnewsdaily.com/59087/reddit-user-claims-he-was-paid-to-troll-bernie-sanders-supporters/

(ANTIMEDIA) Hillary Clinton-aligned Super PAC, Correct the Record, is taking a page out of Vladimir Putin’s playbook by employing a $1 million dollar professional internet troll army to build a paid, positive consensus about the Clinton campaign. The effort, called “Breaking Barriers 2016,” claims: http://theantimedia.org/hillary-clintons-internet-troll-army/




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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23575360 - 08/25/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This thread is over a year old man


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23583358 - 08/27/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wow... I can't believe I started this thread a year ago. This year has gone by so fast! This was back when I still had hope for Bernie :frown:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23583909 - 08/27/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Time flies when your promoting communism!:cookiemonster:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23623398 - 09/07/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The reason why she is running for President, that it is because the other President and politicians did not listen to the activists about environmental issues. Because they were paid off by corporate america. But one of Trump's promises is to not put the corporate lobbyist over the people. If Jill stops attacking Trump, but sit down and talk to him about these issues, then something will get done this time around. But she already has implanted an image of Trump as being an tyrant. Trump had helped Jesse Ventura to become Governor because he wanted someone in office that is against corporate control. And Jesse is a Independent. Now if she is smart, then she will have a peaceful sit down with Trump to discusses all of these issues that needs to be taking care of.  But if you do not agree that she should, and which that means that you are a corporate troll that is trying to discourage the Ex-Bernie's followers to not be considering Trump.


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    #23623858 - 09/07/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Holy fuck......this is retarded



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    #23623862 - 09/07/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

BBW :wave:

are you going to vote for Stein?


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
    #23628763 - 09/09/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Dont you mean um yes.....?

Johnson and Weld are great guys I just like Stein and Baraka more.




Jill and Hill, and Baraka and Barack. I am beginning to think that Jill is a part of the Establishment. She knows that she cannot win this election, and so she is sending out subliminal messages to vote for Hillary. Memories of her are not stamped into the peoples minds because she has not been around long enough to make that impression dig real deep. Right now, she just need to go over to the Trump party and talk to Trump about some of her views to see if she can have him to work them into his agenda. But other than that, she should not try to run for the presidential office.









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    #23630385 - 09/09/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You're preaching to the choir.
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    #23631107 - 09/09/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

These people are master of deception. They are trying to play with the human psyche by using psychological warfare techniques. They can be caught in lies and shown no signs of repentance at all, even after being caught in fifty thousand lies. They look at people as dumb idiots that they doesn't need no explanation of them lying to the public, because they feels as if the public are worthless trash. Jill doesn't behave as someone that want to be the next president. She move around as if she is sleepwalking, having no concerns of the election. The only one that is alive is Trump. He is behaving like the way Abraham Lincoln was trying to convinced the public that slavery is wrong and do not listen to Stevens, that he is trying to make what is immorally, right.
These people has been practicing deception for centuries. And now they has brought in someone that as went to school for that, Lt Colonel Michael Aquino. And so, whatever these politicians are saying, that are just using mind games techniques.


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The use of various techniques, such as propaganda and terror, to induce or reinforce attitudes favorable to a war effort among a population or government.
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(Exposing the Truth) For those who don’t know, Michael Aquino was a Psychological Warfare Specialist in the US Army from 1968 until 1990, when he was involuntarily discharged as a result of investigations into his involvement in the ritual sexual abuse of children at the Presidio Day Care Center in San Francisco. Throughout this same time, he has also been a devout satanist and self-confessed neo-Nazi. He joined Anton LaVey’s Church of Satan in 1969, staying until 1975 when he left to start his own Temple of Set, which has been in operation ever since.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Douglas Howard]
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23660916 - 09/20/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i got my dad into Jill Stein :thumbup:

Did anyone hear there was a warrant for her arrest last week?


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    #23660955 - 09/20/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, for spraypainting that bulldozer lol


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    #23664916 - 09/21/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea, what a great role model


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: hostileuniverse] * 4
    #23664965 - 09/21/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Meh id rather vote for a candidate sho gets arrested for protesting with people against corporations than one is either is a corporation or would get arrested for corrupting our government in their favor.


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    #23676142 - 09/25/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Jill Stein is a hollow opportunist bitch who has no real credentials to lead the country, but honestly, that kind of makes her just as fit for the job as anyone else trying to win the election.  To me, Hillary Clinton is the most dangerous of all the candidates.  She represents status quo and sincere warmongering, while Trump simply shoots off at the mouth and says whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear.  He's more disingenuous than Hillary but in a much more benign sort of way.  It's hard not to believe that he's just running on the Republican ticket to sabotage their efforts but Hillary Clinton is just so despicable that people are willing to put aside their better judgement to vote for him.  I think he will probably win.


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    #23677086 - 09/25/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

America is pretty hollow right now. :archiebunker:


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23678937 - 09/26/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

America is actually starting to head down the right path after decades of idiocy


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    #23679097 - 09/26/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, and who is there to thank for this subtle beginnings of a transition?

certainly not the right.

certainly not the left.

but you can give thanks somewhere...to the battle of ideas. so let's not change any of that, and i think America'll come out of their fugue state.


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    #23679690 - 09/26/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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America is actually starting to head down the right path after decades of idiocy




Bernie supporters say you're welcome. We convinced Hillary to promise to have an agenda farther to the left of evil communist obama.


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    #23679850 - 09/26/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

baha, righttt


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    #23679859 - 09/26/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What did I say that was incorrect? I was calling obama a communist in jest.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23679863 - 09/26/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

thats bernie supporters make hillary any better than she otherwise is or isnt is a joke


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    #23679876 - 09/26/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I didnt say they made her better. I said we forced her to adopt an agenda to the left of Obama.

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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23733174 - 10/13/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

someone please make me feel better about voting for stein.

I've heard a few people are wanting to spoil their ballots or write "Bernie" on their ballots.. but surely that will just be recorded as spoiled ballots.

Spoiled ballots can be both acts of dissent and incompetence. How will the analysis know how much weight the protest vote carries if its embedded with spoiled  ballots purely done out of incompetence? Surely, on that basis its better to see registered votes with a third party. If there is a surge in a third party then its at least an indicator of dissent.. but in doing so the door could be more open for Trump or Hilary, both of whom are fucking douches.

The dilemma here is between tactical voting and voting on conscience. I like a lot about Jill Stein, she seems like the only choice really.. but I think as Fal said, she hasn't been mega impressive.


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    #23733219 - 10/13/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you vote for anyone other than Trump, you're vote is by default for Hillary,

Stein, Johnson, and Bernice don't stand a chance


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    #23733272 - 10/13/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i applaud trump for using the term signed on with the devil when talking about bern shelling out


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    #23733674 - 10/13/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If you vote for anyone other than Hillary, you're vote is by default for Trump,

Stein, Johnson, and Bernice don't stand a chance




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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Tipote] * 2
    #23758089 - 10/21/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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someone please make me feel better about voting for stein.

I've heard a few people are wanting to spoil their ballots or write "Bernie" on their ballots.. but surely that will just be recorded as spoiled ballots.

Spoiled ballots can be both acts of dissent and incompetence. How will the analysis know how much weight the protest vote carries if its embedded with spoiled  ballots purely done out of incompetence? Surely, on that basis its better to see registered votes with a third party. If there is a surge in a third party then its at least an indicator of dissent.. but in doing so the door could be more open for Trump or Hilary, both of whom are fucking douches.

The dilemma here is between tactical voting and voting on conscience. I like a lot about Jill Stein, she seems like the only choice really.. but I think as Fal said, she hasn't been mega impressive.




I am going to vote for Stein. I don't want her to be president. I think she's kind of daffy. However, I want 3rd parties to gain some steam, and I want there to be pressure on the 2 major parties. Once the third parties gain a bit of momentum, they will hopefully find more reasonable people to run for office.

All of that said, I don't dislike Stein, as a person. She just has a lot of outlandish ideas, and her voice sounds like a hippy hypnotherapy recording.


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Crumist] * 1
    #23758111 - 10/21/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If you vote for anyone other than Hillary, you're vote is by default for Trump,

Stein, Johnson, and Bernice don't stand a chance




not my actual opinion




HU... says things. Not correct things, but things. Not everything is so simple as he would have you believe. For instance, in the evergreen state, where I live, Clinton is a shoe-in. Therefore, voting for Jill, as a protest vote, gives Trump no advantage. However, if you live in a state like Ohio, your vote has some potential to do an infinitesimal fraction of service to the Trump.


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    #23758581 - 10/21/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Stein may not be the best person, to be honest i dont think shes nearly as fit to be president as lets say ralph nader but i do think stein is a real human being and has ideas that we need to have a sustainable world for humanity.

without some of the green parties ideas we will surely die.


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    #23758614 - 10/21/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

My entire inner circle is annoyed with me for not supporting Clinton when Trump is the alternative. But what none of them seems to understand is that this has always been "her's to lose" which is a figure of speech meaning she should, absolutely should win. With the money, media, support and going against a perceived buffoon... The only person who can prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming President is Hillary Clinton. And that's my last prophetic statement about it. Vote for Jill Stein so that the Green Party can get 5% of the vote and thereby gain more legitimacy but more importantly, because you cannot bring yourself to vote for options A or B.


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    #23769274 - 10/25/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

thanks guys, i feel better.


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    #23773114 - 10/26/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

just got my stein tshirt today after like 10 weeks


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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23773139 - 10/26/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Too late, I just voted yesterday.

Actually, I voted for Stein even without seeing your t-shirt.  :wink:


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    #23773161 - 10/26/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23797165 - 11/03/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Watch this guy explain to Bill Maher and smug Silverman the Bernie or Bust "long game".


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    #23800022 - 11/04/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

silverman can eat a dick, shes a fuckin sell out

they payed her off to hop on the hilldawg train because all real human beings vote for stein :wink:


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