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The Ecstatic
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23544082 - 08/15/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Question for HU:
Do you support raising taxes at all?
If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23544163 - 08/15/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I agree that's a positive, and so is the fact that he's not looking for war with Russia as Hillary seems to be.
Yes, and those are the only policies that are good. The rest is atrocious. I would probably prefer a Libertarian.
Agreed.  Some of his stances aren't the greatest but he is better than the two jokes that are running right now.
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The Ecstatic said: Question for HU:
Do you support raising taxes at all?
If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?
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The Ecstatic said: Question for HU:
Do you support raising taxes at all?
If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?
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The Ecstatic said:
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The Ecstatic said: Question for HU:
Do you support raising taxes at all?
If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?
What is your point? I'm sure you have some snide condescending worthless progressive "gotcha" retarded point, so just get on with it already
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What is your point? I'm sure you have some snide condescending worthless progressive "gotcha" retarded point, so just get on with it already
This guy You have heard our tax proposals now let's hear yours. You are quick to "debunk" progressive taxes but can't even provide your own. Is it because it is a retarded methodology like trickle down economics?
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Oh yeah she is going to get zillions of electoral votes; oh wait a minute, she's not going to get a single one.
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The Ecstatic said: Question for HU:
Do you support raising taxes at all?
If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?
"support raising taxes"
Higher tax rates don't necessarily mean higher tax revenue, so that's a different issue.
Since we have a dying economy we essentially have to run a deficit every year, other wise we would enter a deep deflationary recession.
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The Ecstatic said: Question for HU:
Do you support raising taxes at all?
If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?
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The Ecstatic said:
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The Ecstatic said: Question for HU:
Do you support raising taxes at all?
If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?
What is your point? I'm sure you have some snide condescending worthless progressive "gotcha" retarded point, so just get on with it already
You are literally so afraid of contradicting yourself you refuse to answer two simple questions.
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: qman] 1
#23546253 - 08/16/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Question for HU:
Do you support raising taxes at all?
If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?
"support raising taxes"
Higher tax rates don't necessarily mean higher tax revenue, so that's a different issue.
Since we have a dying economy we essentially have to run a deficit every year, other wise we would enter a deep deflationary recession.
Thats a fair point on the former.
What do you mean by the latter, a dying economy?
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i believe dying implies that its end is imminent
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Connoisseur]
#23546270 - 08/16/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks, Merriam Webster.
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The Ecstatic said: Question for HU:
Do you support raising taxes at all?
If not, how would you balance the budget? Cut waste? If so, what waste?
"support raising taxes"
Higher tax rates don't necessarily mean higher tax revenue, so that's a different issue.
Since we have a dying economy we essentially have to run a deficit every year, other wise we would enter a deep deflationary recession.
Thats a fair point on the former.
What do you mean by the latter, a dying economy?
I call a GDP growth rate of 1% for the world's largest economy "a dying economy". Let me ask you, what do you think the GDP growth would be if we had a balanced budget? It would be below 0%.
This is what happens when you have over a half trillion trade deficit year after year and nobody calls out currency manipulators! You end up with a dying economy.
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: qman]
#23548572 - 08/16/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Higher tax rates don't necessarily mean higher tax revenue, so that's a different issue.
Since we have a dying economy we essentially have to run a deficit every year, other wise we would enter a deep deflationary recession.
Thats a fair point on the former.
What do you mean by the latter, a dying economy?
I call a GDP growth rate of 1% for the world's largest economy "a dying economy".
GDP growth rate per capita is back to normal.

I don't see why that is a problem. Can you please explain why the GDP growth rate per capita suddenly needs to go up?
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qman said: Let me ask you, what do you think the GDP growth would be if we had a balanced budget? It would be below 0%.
It would decrease somewhat, but I'm not sure how you arrived at a "below 0%" estimate. Regardless, the important measure is GDP growth rate per capita, because if GDP goes up for each person in the country, each person should be doing better (if they are being paid fairly). Can you explain why you think overall GDP growth rate is more important than GDP growth rate per capita, because I don't understand the logic?
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GDP per capita needs to grow because we have low growth and too much debt, why is that so difficult to understand, what do you think the Bernie supporters are bitching about?
Growth rate per capita is more important the GDP growth, but that doesn't make GDP growth meaningless either.
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: qman]
#23549220 - 08/17/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So basically the plan is to continue making concessions to the super rich in the hopes that their already unprecedented wealth accumulation finally begins to trickle down.
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That plan might work. The only reason you think it won't is because it never has in the past.
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The Ecstatic said: So basically the plan is to continue making concessions to the super rich in the hopes that their already unprecedented wealth accumulation finally begins to trickle down.
I'm not sure how you jumped to that conclusion, trickle down economics has clearly not worked very well.
The plan is to stop immigration and get rid of the global trade agreements, that will naturally fix the economic inequality.
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: qman] 1
#23549370 - 08/17/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: So basically the plan is to continue making concessions to the super rich in the hopes that their already unprecedented wealth accumulation finally begins to trickle down.
I'm not sure how you jumped to that conclusion, trickle down economics has clearly not worked very well.
The plan is to stop immigration and get rid of the global trade agreements, that will naturally fix the economic inequality.
And you see that plan as more plausible than taxing the rich?
Keep in mind, the glory days (before brown people immigration and bad trade deals) had the rich paying a lot more taxes than they do now.
Certainly raising taxes on the rich is part of the equation.
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The Ecstatic said: So basically the plan is to continue making concessions to the super rich in the hopes that their already unprecedented wealth accumulation finally begins to trickle down.
I'm not sure how you jumped to that conclusion, trickle down economics has clearly not worked very well.
The plan is to stop immigration and get rid of the global trade agreements, that will naturally fix the economic inequality.
And you see that plan as more plausible than taxing the rich?
Keep in mind, the glory days (before brown people immigration and bad trade deals) had the rich paying a lot more taxes than they do now.
Certainly raising taxes on the rich is part of the equation.
I'm not opposed to the rich paying more if the inequality isn't fixed, the rich didn't pay as much in actually taxes in the glory days because they had smaller piece of the pie. I would like to return to those days.
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: qman]
#23549679 - 08/17/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: GDP per capita needs to grow because we have low growth and too much debt, why is that so difficult to understand
GDP per capita IS GROWING. At a rate of close to 2% per capita per year. See the graph above.
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