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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23530563 - 08/11/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Lucis]
#23530568 - 08/11/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I got a feeling Clinton is going to win and the trump supporters/third party people are going to freak and marshal law is going to get declared.
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Brian Jones]
#23530619 - 08/11/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Hillary will win by 10% and I don't care how many people can't stand her. It's finally time to get real America. Trump, Greens and Independents aren't going to win shit. Try to pretend this isn't your first rodeo.
If Trump were just some anti-establishment character who didn't say whacky bigoted shit and make a fool of himself all the time, he would have won. Is someone here saying that Clinton won't win?
I think it's too early to say, but there will be a continuous media bashing of anyone who is not Clinton until November. As I have said before, people are voting Green and Libertarian as a protest to the direction this country has been going. Their votes are being cast to shape the future, not to win the 2016 election. Nobody is under the illusion that the Greens will win come November.
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Lucis]
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Fennario said: I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.
Well, we would likely not be at war anywhere in the world. We would probably close down our military bases across the globe, never to be reopened. They couldn't be reopened once they've been closed. Those at the 'controls of power' would lose quite a lot of footing in the world. I don't know what would happen domestically. It would be a constant struggle.
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Fennario said: I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.
Well, we would likely not be at war anywhere in the world. We would probably close down our military bases across the globe, never to be reopened. They couldn't be reopened once they've been closed. Those at the 'controls of power' would lose quite a lot of footing in the world. I don't know what would happen domestically. It would be a constant struggle.
I guess the question I would ask, how would that affect our standard of living? Our leaders can't tell us how our military presence around the globe makes our lives better, what is the return on investment for US citizens?
Are we big suckers as US taxpayers or are we living high off the hog because our military gives us a competitive advantage?
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Lucis]
#23530882 - 08/11/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fennario said: I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.
I suspect it would be a lot like America after FDR. Higher wages, more domestic jobs, and a strong middle class (provided she can get anything through Congress)
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Sometimes you have to listen to those that the politicians are trying to keep silent. They had done that to Jesus, by executing him, making sure that no one will ever listen to him. And his crime was, that he was bringing in the truth. Letting other to know that people are weak to temptation that they are not to be trusted, that they only has concern for themselves not for others.
1. The US Department of the Treasury poisoned alcohol during Prohibition — and people died.
2. The US Public Health Service lied about treating black men with syphilis for more than 40 years.
3. More than 100 million Americans received a polio vaccine contaminated with a potentially cancer-causing virus.
4. Parts of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which led to US intervention in Vietnam, never happened.
5. Military leaders reportedly planned terrorist attacks in the US to drum up support for a war against Cuba. http://www.businessinsider.com/true-government-conspiracies-2013-12
Jeremiah 17:5 This is what the Lord says: “Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the Lord.
Good job. 5 out of the millions of conspiracy theories that have come and gone. This guy thinks this country is ran by lizards. 
Also, if you would like to be taken seriously don't quote an ancient book written by man in an ancient civilization with little to no understanding of science.
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Re: Jill Stein - Green Party [Re: Lucis]
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Fennario said: I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.
Ehh. Probably in much greater debt honestly. Stein's idea of how to fund tuition-free college was enough for me to realize her tax plan is garbage. She wants to basically borrow more money to "bail out this generation like we bailed out the big banks and Wall Street." The only issue is Wall Street paid the money back for the most part. Her plan has it to where basically no one that goes to college pays it back(even though doing so would ruin the whole purpose of it). Bernie's tax plan at least made sense. Her's does not.
Also, her VP pick wasn't the wisest of picks.
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Fennario said: I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.
Ehh. Probably in much greater debt honestly. Stein's idea of how to fund tuition-free college was enough for me to realize her tax plan is garbage. She wants to basically borrow more money to "bail out this generation like we bailed out the big banks and Wall Street." The only issue is Wall Street paid the money back for the most part. Her plan has it to where basically no one that goes to college pays it back(even though doing so would ruin the whole purpose of it). Bernie's tax plan at least made sense. Her's does not.
I agree that Bernie's tax plan made sense; we analyzed it in depth in the Political Forum (except the people that didn't know math well enough to participate).
I thought Jill had very similar ideas to Bernie regarding her funding plans, but I'm not certain. Do you have a link to something Jill Stein said that supports your statement above?
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Sometimes you have to listen to those that the politicians are trying to keep silent. They had done that to Jesus, by executing him, making sure that no one will ever listen to him. And his crime was, that he was bringing in the truth. Letting other to know that people are weak to temptation that they are not to be trusted, that they only has concern for themselves not for others.
1. The US Department of the Treasury poisoned alcohol during Prohibition — and people died.
2. The US Public Health Service lied about treating black men with syphilis for more than 40 years.
3. More than 100 million Americans received a polio vaccine contaminated with a potentially cancer-causing virus.
4. Parts of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which led to US intervention in Vietnam, never happened.
5. Military leaders reportedly planned terrorist attacks in the US to drum up support for a war against Cuba. http://www.businessinsider.com/true-government-conspiracies-2013-12
Jeremiah 17:5 This is what the Lord says: “Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the Lord.
Good job. 5 out of the millions of conspiracy theories that have come and gone. This guy thinks this country is ran by lizards. 
Also, if you would like to be taken seriously don't quote an ancient book written by man in an ancient civilization with little to no understanding of science.
No, it is the Elite and the DNC that thinks that the people are dumb as a lizard. And there is more uncovered conspiracies on that web page. Every generation that appears, away says that the last generation were the dark period of our lives. And the next will be saying that as well about us. They will say that our generation has allowed election fraud until Trump has came into power.
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I agree that Bernie's tax plan made sense; we analyzed it in depth in the Political Forum (except the people that didn't know math well enough to participate).
I thought Jill had very similar ideas to Bernie regarding her funding plans, but I'm not certain. Do you have a link to something Jill Stein said that supports your statement above?
Start at 17:35 when she describes her plan. Bernie's plan made sense, hers does not.
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No, it is the Elite and the DNC that thinks that the people are dumb as a lizard. And there is more uncovered conspiracies on that web page. Every generation that appears, away says that the last generation were the dark period of our lives. And the next will be saying that as well about us. They will say that our generation has allowed election fraud until Trump has came into power.
There you go.
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Sometimes you have to listen to those that the politicians are trying to keep silent. They had done that to Jesus, by executing him, making sure that no one will ever listen to him. And his crime was, that he was bringing in the truth. Letting other to know that people are weak to temptation that they are not to be trusted, that they only has concern for themselves not for others.
1. The US Department of the Treasury poisoned alcohol during Prohibition — and people died.
2. The US Public Health Service lied about treating black men with syphilis for more than 40 years.
3. More than 100 million Americans received a polio vaccine contaminated with a potentially cancer-causing virus.
4. Parts of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which led to US intervention in Vietnam, never happened.
5. Military leaders reportedly planned terrorist attacks in the US to drum up support for a war against Cuba. http://www.businessinsider.com/true-government-conspiracies-2013-12
Jeremiah 17:5 This is what the Lord says: “Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the Lord.
Good job. 5 out of the millions of conspiracy theories that have come and gone. This guy thinks this country is ran by lizards. 
Also, if you would like to be taken seriously don't quote an ancient book written by man in an ancient civilization with little to no understanding of science.
I was wondering about that lizard statement. Why did you used a lizard as a metaphor or something. So you are referring to the reptilian race? I don't know about the lizard people, but I do know that there's something fishy going on in them woods. And it isn't the fishes that are swimming in the streams that I am referring to. But what I am referring to is a bunch of smelly old politicians going out in the woods doing what... Makes you wonder why would Bill Clinton suddenly pulls out his penis to Paula Jones as if it was the ordinary thing to do. He had expected that Paula's response suppose of had been different, as if he had thought that the government only hires his type of people. But I guess that is what the government goal is to do.
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Fennario said: I am always curious how the country would be if someone like Jill Stein won.
Ehh. Probably in much greater debt honestly. Stein's idea of how to fund tuition-free college was enough for me to realize her tax plan is garbage. She wants to basically borrow more money to "bail out this generation like we bailed out the big banks and Wall Street."
Do you have a link to something Jill Stein said that supports your statement above?
Start at 17:35 when she describes her plan. Bernie's plan made sense, hers does not.
What she's proposing wouldn't raise the national debt by a single penny as you suggested in the quote above. What she's proposing is to print new money to pay for student debt.
With that said, I am opposed to printing money to pay for things because that leads to inflation. We need to leave monetary policy to the Fed, whose job it is to prevent inflation from going too high.
But it's nice to see that Jill is at least trying to help Main St rather than Wall St.
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What she's proposing wouldn't raise the national debt by a single penny as you suggested in the quote above. What she's proposing is to print new money to pay for student debt.
With that said, I am opposed to printing money to pay for things because that leads to inflation. We need to leave monetary policy to the Fed, whose job it is to prevent inflation from going too high.
But it's nice to see that Jill is at least trying to help Main St rather than Wall St.
I understand that it wouldn't be raised with tuition free college. I was suggesting that (with keeping her approach on college in mind) her other ways of paying for things won't be so bright.
And yes, I agree. The only issue is she has no shot.
My only hope is Donald Trump is exposing the Republican Party for what it is and is still left on his issues like he has been his whole life. Then, he wins the election and fucks over the entire Republican Party. Wouldn't that be awesome.
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big_scrappy97 said: My only hope is Donald Trump is exposing the Republican Party for what it is and is still left on his issues like he has been his whole life. Then, he wins the election and fucks over the entire Republican Party. Wouldn't that be awesome. 
I can't support a candidate who believes in trickle down economics.
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big_scrappy97 said: My only hope is Donald Trump is exposing the Republican Party for what it is and is still left on his issues like he has been his whole life. Then, he wins the election and fucks over the entire Republican Party. Wouldn't that be awesome. 
I can't support a candidate who believes in trickle down economics.
I'm just voting for him to say "fuck the DNC". At least he doesn't support the TPP in which all the candidates who have a shot do (Gary Johnson included).  That is really the only positive I have about him.
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big_scrappy97 said: My only hope is Donald Trump is exposing the Republican Party for what it is and is still left on his issues like he has been his whole life. Then, he wins the election and fucks over the entire Republican Party. Wouldn't that be awesome. 
I can't support a candidate who believes in trickle down economics.
It's always shocking to see people who think taxing the middle class more, which is Hilary's and Bernice's position, will somehow make them wealthier
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I agree that's a positive, and so is the fact that he's not looking for war with Russia as Hillary seems to be.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I agree that's a positive, and so is the fact that he's not looking for war with Russia as Hillary seems to be.
Yes, and those are the only policies that are good. The rest is atrocious. I would probably prefer a Libertarian.
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