|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
Mrvince
Stranger


Registered: 03/18/15
Posts: 290
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti?
#22132593 - 08/23/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
So I picked these 2 cacti up from Home Depot a few months ago and I'd like to know if I can get cuttings from these to replant. Not sure if they're big enough yet but the one on the right is about 13 inches and the one on the left is about 14-15 inches.

Thanks for your time
|
kosmokratorshaman
Cosmic Creator


Registered: 05/13/15
Posts: 1,206
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Mrvince]
#22132801 - 08/23/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
of course, take a good 8-10 inch cutting, and let it callous for 3 weeks.
-------------------- I am.
|
Mrvince
Stranger


Registered: 03/18/15
Posts: 290
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
|
3 weeks seems like a long time, also would it be best to lay it on the side or plant it standing up?
|
kosmokratorshaman
Cosmic Creator


Registered: 05/13/15
Posts: 1,206
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Mrvince]
#22133119 - 08/23/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
leave it standing up in a pot. I use dry soil, but you can do it without
-------------------- I am.
|
MykoMyers
RASTASCLEPIUS


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 154
Loc: West Coast
Last seen: 6 years, 3 months
|
|
Dry soil works bury but do not water for 3 to 4 weeks allow to atleast dry at the bottom first
-------------------- Reishi for trade
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Mrvince]
#22134748 - 08/24/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Those look like PC pedros. Probably not worth a lot of effort honestly.
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
|
Mrvince
Stranger


Registered: 03/18/15
Posts: 290
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22134766 - 08/24/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Really? Did Home Depot mislabel them?
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Mrvince] 1
#22134774 - 08/24/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
It's Trichocereus pachanoi, but the particular landscaping clone that is most commonly distributed is commonly referred to as "PC" or predominant cultivar. It is known for not having a very strong alkaloid profile. Still a beautiful cactus though.
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
|
Zombi3
Bella Ciao!!




Registered: 01/11/13
Posts: 27,086
Loc: Bat Country
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Mrvince]
#22134779 - 08/24/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
@ OP, Are you in Canada or the U.S.?
@ chrisman, what are te identifying features to ID a PC from a regular pachanoi?
-------------------- Plants Love To Think
|
Mrvince
Stranger


Registered: 03/18/15
Posts: 290
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22134787 - 08/24/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
So the mescaline content will be very low? I bought seeds a while ago and I now have 13 seedlings that sprouted 4 months ago, should I just graft those or what would be best to do?
I'm in US, California
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Zombi3]
#22134788 - 08/24/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Mrvince]
#22134793 - 08/24/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mrvince said: So the mescaline content will be very low? I bought seeds a while ago and I now have 13 seedlings that sprouted 4 months ago, should I just graft those or what would be best to do?
I'm in US, California
Yeah you'd probably have better chances of getting potent cacti that way. Best is to get cuttings of a known to be active clone. What part of Cali are you in?
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
|
Mrvince
Stranger


Registered: 03/18/15
Posts: 290
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22134808 - 08/24/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I was in search for an active cacti for a while and thought I finally came across one, however it doesn't seem like it now. Not sure where I can get cuttings. I'm in the High Desert (lower part of California)
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Mrvince]
#22134818 - 08/24/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Well if you ever come towards Orange county I could hook you up with some nice cuttings to grow. Or you can order some bridgesii. I was just out in the desert a couple weeks ago. Went out to Anza Borrego to watch the Perseid meteor showers. Such clear dark skies out there!
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
|
Mrvince
Stranger


Registered: 03/18/15
Posts: 290
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22134853 - 08/24/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I'll think about it, however I think I'm done with cacti for now. Thanks
|
MykoMyers
RASTASCLEPIUS


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 154
Loc: West Coast
Last seen: 6 years, 3 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Mrvince]
#22135376 - 08/24/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Dude Home Depot San pedro works like a charm don't listen to these people
-------------------- Reishi for trade
|
kosmokratorshaman
Cosmic Creator


Registered: 05/13/15
Posts: 1,206
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: MykoMyers]
#22135386 - 08/24/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Take your cuttings. Root them. Pup the stump. In a year, you will have a nice garden.
-------------------- I am.
|
Lemnaminor
Lophophora - eyed



Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 1,366
Loc: Sicily
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
|
|
I guess that while PC pedros are known for being weak, they still have enought mescaline. Even assuming they have half the alcaloids concentration of a good clone, they would still do the trick if you do eat/prepare a bigger cutting.
--------------------
      "The best things in life, come covered in spines."
|
MykoMyers
RASTASCLEPIUS


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 154
Loc: West Coast
Last seen: 6 years, 3 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Lemnaminor]
#22136215 - 08/24/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Walmart Home Depot and other cuttings of sp in SoCal may be weak but they do get the job done 1 foot to 2 feet is good I feel they are just weak due to the age. Idk someone enlighten me is it possible to isolate extremely high alkaloid varieties
-------------------- Reishi for trade
|
Lemnaminor
Lophophora - eyed



Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 1,366
Loc: Sicily
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: MykoMyers] 1
#22136836 - 08/24/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Of course there is a way. And by now there are a lot of known potent clones. Ever heard of SS01 SS02? those are not Super Sayan Levels.
Basically is possible to do it even on small scale. If you do have for example 10 seed grown different trichs, that have different genetics too (not same seed batch), it's likely that some are more potent than others. To spot wich one is the most potent could be the tricky part, since extraction or ingestion is required, but discovered the potent one all you have to do is to clone and propagate that one.
Anyhow, Pachs and Perus may have the poorest concentrationts, or the highest ones. Bridgesii instead seems to be the most reliable one, not having that big difference in individuals, and providing stable mid-high concentrations (compared to other trichs)
--------------------
      "The best things in life, come covered in spines."
|
kosmokratorshaman
Cosmic Creator


Registered: 05/13/15
Posts: 1,206
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Lemnaminor]
#22137774 - 08/24/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I guess I better get crackin on my collection.
-------------------- I am.
|
Magenta
I care!!


Registered: 06/14/09
Posts: 20,322
Loc: The land of plenty
Last seen: 2 months, 6 days
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22139775 - 08/25/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
nicechrisman said: Those look like PC pedros.
For my own benefit, what characteristics make you think that?
--------------------
|
Intj
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Registered: 06/10/15
Posts: 30
Loc: SoCal
Last seen: 8 years, 5 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Magenta]
#22141266 - 08/25/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
All pachanoi have desired alkaloids. People forget they all come from essentially the same place. You think your cacti is weak? Stop watering it, and expose the thing to full sun, then see how weak it is.
-------------------- you see, things are stuff. But stuff, can also be things..
|
Magenta
I care!!


Registered: 06/14/09
Posts: 20,322
Loc: The land of plenty
Last seen: 2 months, 6 days
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22143355 - 08/25/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I've never harvested my cacti to know. I was just curious.
--------------------
|
spaceman101
Friend to all



Registered: 01/18/13
Posts: 11,726
Loc: In heaven bored as hell
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22143626 - 08/25/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Intj said: All pachanoi have desired alkaloids. People forget they all come from essentially the same place. You think your cacti is weak? Stop watering it, and expose the thing to full sun, then see how weak it is.
What are you trying to say? Honestly I don't think you even know
Stressing cacti has not yet been 100% proven to strengthen their alkaloid contents if that's what your trying to say.
-------------------- ------------- Check out my Pollen Trade thread for spreading Good genetics far and wide Great Vendors thread where we can discuss "Non Shroomery" Vendors that sell good products worth checking into A few things I wanna get my hands on check it out and let me know if you have any of these Need help getting started growing mushrooms Here's The Noob Forum
|
Magenta
I care!!


Registered: 06/14/09
Posts: 20,322
Loc: The land of plenty
Last seen: 2 months, 6 days
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: spaceman101]
#22143770 - 08/25/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I thought it dehydrates the cactus so the percentage is increased but not so much the actual quantity.
--------------------
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22143824 - 08/25/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
You can tell me pc pedros are potent all you want but all that tells me is you probably haven't ever tried a really good pedro or a bridgesii.
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
|
spaceman101
Friend to all



Registered: 01/18/13
Posts: 11,726
Loc: In heaven bored as hell
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Magenta] 1
#22143908 - 08/25/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Magenta said:
Quote:
nicechrisman said: Those look like PC pedros.
For my own benefit, what characteristics make you think that?
The areole size, color and direction of the spines is what points it out to me but I think it's different for each person as there are some other ways to distinguish them but those stick out to me the most.
-------------------- ------------- Check out my Pollen Trade thread for spreading Good genetics far and wide Great Vendors thread where we can discuss "Non Shroomery" Vendors that sell good products worth checking into A few things I wanna get my hands on check it out and let me know if you have any of these Need help getting started growing mushrooms Here's The Noob Forum
|
Intj
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Registered: 06/10/15
Posts: 30
Loc: SoCal
Last seen: 8 years, 5 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: spaceman101]
#22145431 - 08/26/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
spaceman101 said:
Quote:
Intj said: All pachanoi have desired alkaloids. People forget they all come from essentially the same place. You think your cacti is weak? Stop watering it, and expose the thing to full sun, then see how weak it is.
What are you trying to say? Honestly I don't think you even know
Stressing cacti has not yet been 100% proven to strengthen their alkaloid contents if that's what your trying to say.
So you think because a cactus is "pc" it's considered weak or non active? Lol. There are plenty of accounts from people who can attest to higher alkaloid concentrations from stressed cacti including myself, as opposed to non. Have YOU stressed a "pc" before? For the record, what I was referring to was how people immediately assume something is inactive because of how it looks.
-------------------- you see, things are stuff. But stuff, can also be things..
|
kosmokratorshaman
Cosmic Creator


Registered: 05/13/15
Posts: 1,206
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22145491 - 08/26/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Intj said:
Quote:
spaceman101 said:
Quote:
Intj said: All pachanoi have desired alkaloids. People forget they all come from essentially the same place. You think your cacti is weak? Stop watering it, and expose the thing to full sun, then see how weak it is.
What are you trying to say? Honestly I don't think you even know
Stressing cacti has not yet been 100% proven to strengthen their alkaloid contents if that's what your trying to say.
So you think because a cactus is "pc" it's considered weak or non active? Lol. There are plenty of accounts from people who can attest to higher alkaloid concentrations from stressed cacti including myself, as opposed to non. Have YOU stressed a "pc" before? For the record, what I was referring to was how people immediately assume something is inactive because of how it looks.
where you are correct that just labeling something as PC does not dismiss alkaloid content, you are entirely INCORRECT that stressors cause higher alkaloidal production. There are no scientific studies done to show otherwise. If you have the empirical data, please upload it for us "amateur" growers.
-------------------- I am.
|
Intj
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Registered: 06/10/15
Posts: 30
Loc: SoCal
Last seen: 8 years, 5 months
|
|
Quote:
kosmokratorshaman said:
Quote:
Intj said:
Quote:
spaceman101 said:
Quote:
Intj said: All pachanoi have desired alkaloids. People forget they all come from essentially the same place. You think your cacti is weak? Stop watering it, and expose the thing to full sun, then see how weak it is.
What are you trying to say? Honestly I don't think you even know
Stressing cacti has not yet been 100% proven to strengthen their alkaloid contents if that's what your trying to say.
So you think because a cactus is "pc" it's considered weak or non active? Lol. There are plenty of accounts from people who can attest to higher alkaloid concentrations from stressed cacti including myself, as opposed to non. Have YOU stressed a "pc" before? For the record, what I was referring to was how people immediately assume something is inactive because of how it looks.
where you are correct that just labeling something as PC does not dismiss alkaloid content, you are entirely INCORRECT that stressors cause higher alkaloidal production. There are no scientific studies done to show otherwise. If you have the empirical data, please upload it for us "amateur" growers.
Well, to say it's incorrect would mean that is a fact that stressing the cactus does not produce higher percentages. Since neither one of us has hard data disproving eachothers statements, I'd hardly say it's wrong. I know this is what I, am many others do, and it works great for me. My ugly greenish yellow, sun stressed cacti are always good compared to the pretty ones. Originally I learned about it from a popular vendor on an auction site, who was kind enough to indulge me.
-------------------- you see, things are stuff. But stuff, can also be things..
|
spaceman101
Friend to all



Registered: 01/18/13
Posts: 11,726
Loc: In heaven bored as hell
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22147420 - 08/26/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Until you have proper evidence do not state it as absolute truth. How about that?
You are right that it being labeled properly as a PC pedro does not mean at all that it has no actives within it but it does mean that per ounce it will have less than a tested potent clone.
You can trip with a PC clone you just have to use more than you would say a true blooded Ecuadorian. Although if you plan to make a drink to consume you probably won't want to use another half a ft to get the same effects you would from 1ft tried and true clone.
-------------------- ------------- Check out my Pollen Trade thread for spreading Good genetics far and wide Great Vendors thread where we can discuss "Non Shroomery" Vendors that sell good products worth checking into A few things I wanna get my hands on check it out and let me know if you have any of these Need help getting started growing mushrooms Here's The Noob Forum
|
Lemnaminor
Lophophora - eyed



Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 1,366
Loc: Sicily
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22147440 - 08/26/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
"Maybe" stressed cactus do produce bigger quantity of alkaloids. i say "Maybe" because i don't think so, but neither i can disprove it. The question is : do you think that the increased potency would go on par with the higher amount of tissue produced instead by a beautiful trich, grown in the best and ideal conditions?
Because one thing that i know for sure is that if you grow a cacti in the ideal conditions, it will grow faster. And that is not just an enflated water balloon, i'm talking about more tissue, hence more alkaloids. This means that even if the hypotetical concentrations would be lower, compared to a stressed one, grown in "survival mode" ( admitting it does actually produce more alkaloids ) the total amount of Mescaline and alcaloids yield may be bigger.
--------------------
      "The best things in life, come covered in spines."
|
Mrvince
Stranger


Registered: 03/18/15
Posts: 290
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: spaceman101]
#22148063 - 08/26/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I'm glad to hear that, so is it better if I get a small cutting (smallest possible) and root it but graft one of my 3 month old seedling so I know that should be more potent?
|
|