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kosmokratorshaman
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Lemnaminor]
#22137774 - 08/24/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess I better get crackin on my collection.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22139775 - 08/25/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Those look like PC pedros.
For my own benefit, what characteristics make you think that?
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Magenta]
#22141266 - 08/25/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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All pachanoi have desired alkaloids. People forget they all come from essentially the same place. You think your cacti is weak? Stop watering it, and expose the thing to full sun, then see how weak it is.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22143355 - 08/25/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've never harvested my cacti to know. I was just curious.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22143626 - 08/25/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Intj said: All pachanoi have desired alkaloids. People forget they all come from essentially the same place. You think your cacti is weak? Stop watering it, and expose the thing to full sun, then see how weak it is.
What are you trying to say? Honestly I don't think you even know
Stressing cacti has not yet been 100% proven to strengthen their alkaloid contents if that's what your trying to say.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: spaceman101]
#22143770 - 08/25/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought it dehydrates the cactus so the percentage is increased but not so much the actual quantity.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22143824 - 08/25/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can tell me pc pedros are potent all you want but all that tells me is you probably haven't ever tried a really good pedro or a bridgesii.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Magenta] 1
#22143908 - 08/25/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magenta said:
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nicechrisman said: Those look like PC pedros.
For my own benefit, what characteristics make you think that?
The areole size, color and direction of the spines is what points it out to me but I think it's different for each person as there are some other ways to distinguish them but those stick out to me the most.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: spaceman101]
#22145431 - 08/26/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Intj said: All pachanoi have desired alkaloids. People forget they all come from essentially the same place. You think your cacti is weak? Stop watering it, and expose the thing to full sun, then see how weak it is.
What are you trying to say? Honestly I don't think you even know
Stressing cacti has not yet been 100% proven to strengthen their alkaloid contents if that's what your trying to say.
So you think because a cactus is "pc" it's considered weak or non active? Lol. There are plenty of accounts from people who can attest to higher alkaloid concentrations from stressed cacti including myself, as opposed to non. Have YOU stressed a "pc" before? For the record, what I was referring to was how people immediately assume something is inactive because of how it looks.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22145491 - 08/26/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Intj said:
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spaceman101 said:
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Intj said: All pachanoi have desired alkaloids. People forget they all come from essentially the same place. You think your cacti is weak? Stop watering it, and expose the thing to full sun, then see how weak it is.
What are you trying to say? Honestly I don't think you even know
Stressing cacti has not yet been 100% proven to strengthen their alkaloid contents if that's what your trying to say.
So you think because a cactus is "pc" it's considered weak or non active? Lol. There are plenty of accounts from people who can attest to higher alkaloid concentrations from stressed cacti including myself, as opposed to non. Have YOU stressed a "pc" before? For the record, what I was referring to was how people immediately assume something is inactive because of how it looks.
where you are correct that just labeling something as PC does not dismiss alkaloid content, you are entirely INCORRECT that stressors cause higher alkaloidal production. There are no scientific studies done to show otherwise. If you have the empirical data, please upload it for us "amateur" growers.
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kosmokratorshaman said:
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Intj said:
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spaceman101 said:
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Intj said: All pachanoi have desired alkaloids. People forget they all come from essentially the same place. You think your cacti is weak? Stop watering it, and expose the thing to full sun, then see how weak it is.
What are you trying to say? Honestly I don't think you even know
Stressing cacti has not yet been 100% proven to strengthen their alkaloid contents if that's what your trying to say.
So you think because a cactus is "pc" it's considered weak or non active? Lol. There are plenty of accounts from people who can attest to higher alkaloid concentrations from stressed cacti including myself, as opposed to non. Have YOU stressed a "pc" before? For the record, what I was referring to was how people immediately assume something is inactive because of how it looks.
where you are correct that just labeling something as PC does not dismiss alkaloid content, you are entirely INCORRECT that stressors cause higher alkaloidal production. There are no scientific studies done to show otherwise. If you have the empirical data, please upload it for us "amateur" growers.
Well, to say it's incorrect would mean that is a fact that stressing the cactus does not produce higher percentages. Since neither one of us has hard data disproving eachothers statements, I'd hardly say it's wrong. I know this is what I, am many others do, and it works great for me. My ugly greenish yellow, sun stressed cacti are always good compared to the pretty ones. Originally I learned about it from a popular vendor on an auction site, who was kind enough to indulge me.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22147420 - 08/26/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Until you have proper evidence do not state it as absolute truth. How about that?
You are right that it being labeled properly as a PC pedro does not mean at all that it has no actives within it but it does mean that per ounce it will have less than a tested potent clone.
You can trip with a PC clone you just have to use more than you would say a true blooded Ecuadorian. Although if you plan to make a drink to consume you probably won't want to use another half a ft to get the same effects you would from 1ft tried and true clone.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Intj]
#22147440 - 08/26/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Maybe" stressed cactus do produce bigger quantity of alkaloids. i say "Maybe" because i don't think so, but neither i can disprove it. The question is : do you think that the increased potency would go on par with the higher amount of tissue produced instead by a beautiful trich, grown in the best and ideal conditions?
Because one thing that i know for sure is that if you grow a cacti in the ideal conditions, it will grow faster. And that is not just an enflated water balloon, i'm talking about more tissue, hence more alkaloids. This means that even if the hypotetical concentrations would be lower, compared to a stressed one, grown in "survival mode" ( admitting it does actually produce more alkaloids ) the total amount of Mescaline and alcaloids yield may be bigger.
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Re: Can I get cuttings from these San Pedro Cacti? [Re: spaceman101]
#22148063 - 08/26/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm glad to hear that, so is it better if I get a small cutting (smallest possible) and root it but graft one of my 3 month old seedling so I know that should be more potent?
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