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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
#22168243 - 08/31/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: Why? The ending of the story is the motivation to even read the book in the first place. If you know how it ends then you know what happens to everyone in the story. If it doesn't matter how you live your life then it doesn't matter if you are happy because you will die. I doesn't matter what you do because you will die and be forgotten. It doesn't matter if you have wants or if they go unfilled. You know what it all amounts to in the end so why bother or delay in inevitable. In a sense, why does what you wrote above matter if we all die some day? Maybe sooner than others.
The pages in between are irrelevant if one knows how the story ends.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Rahz]
#22169269 - 08/31/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I'm personally glad that I read the entire book and not just the first and last page, mostly because its about the journey the story takes you through. It's about the in between parts man. A road trip for instance can be simply about where you left from and where your going and everything in between in inconsequential. That seems pretty boring so why do that? For myself a road trip is about the experience and sights of the actual trip not where your going, you know that part, its the randomness that can happen along the way that adds the accent notes.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: nuentoter]
#22171182 - 08/31/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Satisfying my deep wants has never been possible. Making the story awesome has always been my intention but always turned out pathetic. So far, not so good.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
#22172070 - 08/31/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: I just find it hard to shake the feeling that it's so small and dull compared to the cosmos. It's hard for me to not just see it as one planet in a vast sea of darkness.
you could spend several lifetimes exploring the earth and u still wouldn't even get close to seeing and experiencing all that it has to offer. it's like all the cosmos in one bundle.
u don't even have to travel to see how amazing it is, u can step outside and look at the ground and witness all the wonderful critters crawling around doing their thang, then u look up and u have this huge ball of fire just hanging in the sky. really what makes it dull is all the man made bs that makes it seem like there's nothing out there. yet we have all these amzing things right infront, below, and above us and we hardly bat an eye cuz we're desensitized.
there are miracles all around us. just look at ur computer screen, we're chatting from god knows how far from each other, we could be on two different planets for all we know, and yet here we are. how did we get here?.. i remember when these things only existed in the realm of imagination and now they;re as real as ever.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: zZZz]
#22172971 - 09/01/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find that being easily amazed at everything around us. If I had several lifetimes I wouldn't spend them exploring earth, that is far too limiting. I could find everything on this planet in maybe like 8-9 lifetimes. Then I would spend the rest in space, the one place we know so little about.
I understand that at first everything at earth seems amazing, but after a while it loses its luster. But when I look up at space I yearn to leave this planet to see what's out there.
There earth is just a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the cosmos.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
#22173340 - 09/01/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: I find that being easily amazed at everything around us. If I had several lifetimes I wouldn't spend them exploring earth, that is far too limiting. I could find everything on this planet in maybe like 8-9 lifetimes. Then I would spend the rest in space, the one place we know so little about.
I understand that at first everything at earth seems amazing, but after a while it loses its luster. But when I look up at space I yearn to leave this planet to see what's out there.
There earth is just a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the cosmos.
'I know, I'll deal with my existential crisis by taking myself out of reality and aspiring to things that I'll never have the opportunity to achieve!'
Honestly man, that's what I see you doing. Foresaking all that is right under your nose, you look to the unexplored regions of our cosmos where no man has gone before. Unless you're in training right now to be an astronaut, or you've bags full of money, it would probably be wise to stop doing that to yourself - at least until you get a handle on the harsh realities of your own existence.
There was a guy on the forum a while back, who said the following:
As I rejected the idea that I, a fully grown adult male of the most ferocious predatory species on this planet, could ever be a victim of anything or anybody, I haven't felt oppressed since I was a pubescent teenager. That was at least 60 years ago. Only a fool bitches and moans about something that they cannot change, and reality is one of those things. It may not be pretty, or what you want, but it's what you got and it's reality. End of story. --Kool Kat, PS&P forum
The guy knew what he was talking about IMO. Pay particular attention to what he says about reality. I think that goes for all but the most deluded of us.
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I don't get it, why should I look to what's on earth for the answer when the planet is just one out of thousands?
Also how can you not be a victim of anything? Certainly the forces of nature are one such thing was are a victim of as well as the socioeconomic setting we are placed in?
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
#22173701 - 09/01/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok brother, you go look for answers on all those unexplored planets. Be sure to come back and tell us what you find!!
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This planet or others, the answer you want is within, no need to go anywhere except deeper.
Victim:a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action.
Nature has never take action against, or directed an event towards me, if you ever feel that way you are taking it much too personally. I have never been harmed by nature in any way shape or form that did not come from my own negligence, ignorance, or indifference. Saying this I have grown up in the woods pretty much my whole life, currently living in the biggest town I've ever lived in with a pop. of 2k people and 30 miles of wilderness in all directions leaving town. I've avidly hunt, fish, forage, cut wood for the past 17 years. Even awful weather that has destroyed a woodshed, busted up my old truck was not me being victimized by nature it was me not being cautious and observant of crappy weather and not taking precautionary steps towards cutting down dead standing wood near my house.
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Jokeshopbeard said: As I rejected the idea that I, a fully grown adult male of the most ferocious predatory species on this planet, could ever be a victim of anything or anybody, I haven't felt oppressed since I was a pubescent teenager. That was at least 60 years ago. Only a fool bitches and moans about something that they cannot change, and reality is one of those things. It may not be pretty, or what you want, but it's what you got and it's reality. End of story. --Kool Kat, PS&P forum
I miss Rool Kat! Those are some wise words. I love it. Thanks for sharing this. Totally applicable to this thread too!
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: r72rock]
#22174600 - 09/01/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How do they apply? They don't negate nihilism, they don't disprove it, they don't add value where there is none.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
#22174657 - 09/01/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let's get it straight; what is the ostensible position or argument of "nihilism" that you are suggesting?
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Kurt]
#22174689 - 09/01/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That nothing matters, that there is no point to you, me, or anything else in this universe. There is no purpose or meaning to life and anything we give it is just an illusion to cope with our insignificance.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
#22174704 - 09/01/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I struggle with nihilism as well. May I ask how old you are? Very young people like me experience their emotions much more intensely as our prefrontal cortexes are not fully connected to the rest of our brain. Its nice to know that the pain, beauty, anxiety, euphoria and the seemingly overwhelming nature of existence calms down after a while.
I don't actually feel awesome by the way.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
#22174893 - 09/01/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Start with putting sentences on their own two feet.
"There is nothing that matters, no meaning, no point, no purpose."
Is this reasonable representation of your view, or would you clarify otherwise?
I just think everybody would benefit from clarity about what is being asserted, to consider how the logically stands, and in what context or consideration.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Kurt]
#22174988 - 09/01/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kurt said: Start with putting sentences on their own two feet.
"There is nothing that matters, no meaning, no point, no purpose."
Is this reasonable representation of your view, or would you clarify otherwise?
I just think everybody would benefit from clarity about what is being asserted, to consider how the logically stands, and in what context or consideration.
That sums it up.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
#22175539 - 09/01/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay, but this seems to still be a little out of focus. What would that statement refer to?
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Kurt]
#22175773 - 09/01/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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To everything in general. Human life and human endeavors.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
#22175957 - 09/01/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmmm if you refer to absolutely everything then i guess my penis has no purpose and no reason to be there, but it is. My bodily structure and intellect provide me the means to survive and to procreate.
If there was no point in anything I'm curious if then most genetics would be contracting and de-evolving into things that do not wish to procreate or eat or find shelter or avoid confrontation because well whats the point?
If nihilism is "There is nothing that matters, no meaning, no point, no purpose." then in a different way of looking at things you have just freed yourself from any stress and worry that has plagued the minds of philosophers and scholars and parents with little children to worry about and so on. You literally never have to worry about anything again because things cannot go bad or good anymore than can on be. With no meaning, point, or purpose to things then the concern for them can be alleviated.
So what happens to the soccer field when the players realize they don't care if they win or loose?
They fly a kite to pass the time.
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: qwertyuiop]
#22176032 - 09/01/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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qwertyuiop said: Very young people like me experience their emotions much more intensely as our prefrontal cortexes are not fully connected to the rest of our brain.
Yep.
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