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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22146794 - 08/26/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You friends saved themselves potential suffering and pain, what difference does it make if they died then or later. What purpose does the lesson of life (if any, they are probably just opinions) have if you can't take any of it with you when you die? What value is there in life that there isn't in death? Death is the end, the end of pain and torment, a blissful sleep to protect. Life is mostly suffering with a few good moments here and there, and we scrimp and slog for scraps of them (which ironically causes suffering).

How can you "waste life" if it has no inherent value? People seem to value it a lot even though it amounts to nothing in the end.

Everything I do now feels so empty and void, it's like I'm stuck on auto pilot at the moment. If I am depressed it's from this thought process. Art, music, games, love, it all seems so trivial and bland right now. So subjective and pointless.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22146985 - 08/26/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Death is the end, the end of pain and torment, a blissful sleep to protect.



This really resonates with me; I have come to feel very excited about 'passing on' from this plane of existence.

Still, whilst I'm here, there's so much to do and learn. More than anything, my time here has become more valuable the more I've learned to be kind, compassionate, and to help not only other people, but also myself.

I'm gonna echo what most others have said here though man, I think what you describe is not just a state of thought - it seems more like an illness. I hope that you explore that avenue man, it could change your life forever.

Peace and love to you brother.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22147146 - 08/26/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How does that make it valuable? You're just another human. What we do here amounts to nothing the end? What is the point in doing any of it? What's the point in learning new things or helping others?


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22147225 - 08/26/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I can't answer those questions for you brother, I can only relay my own life experiences in the hope that they might help. But at the end of the day, nothing can help you unless you want it to.

You can parade about all day on internet forums talking about how pointless everything is or you can take life by the balls, get some help, and make the most of your time here.

A quote from The Shawshank Redemption seems particularly apt:

"I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really. Get busy living or get busy dying."

I hope you chose the former. I think I've been to the kind of place you are now, and I say with the firmest conviction that it is all worth it.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22147267 - 08/26/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How is it worth it? Why stay alive when death promises release from pain and ambiguity?


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22147337 - 08/26/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Seek help from a mental health professional. Ask those questions again when you've at least tried that path.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22147366 - 08/26/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have, things only get worse and worse in my life


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22147372 - 08/26/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

To what extent have you?


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22147458 - 08/26/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A good extent believe me and it has always been wrong.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #22147471 - 08/26/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Your life is no accident - you are here for profound reasons...
the completion of which often takes years if not lifetimes.
When life seems so empty and bleak, be patient and hang on.
You are going through a temporary phase that will shift
once you go deeper and deeper into the work.




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No escape - Death is not the answer
We may think that everything is rosy and lovey dovey when we leave this earthly existence, but this is not necessarily so. Death is not an escape from our past actions: we take our disturbing desires, earthly attachments, shocking traumas, and resistant selfish ways and will with us wherever we go, even to the other side. One reason why certain religions do not support suicide and the death penalty is the understanding that death is not a cure. Death may provide the soul consciousness a temporary reprieve from the irritations and limitations of the physical body (thus allowing the soul to see life from a clearer "vantage point") but death does not erase the "karma" of ones negative thoughts words feelings and deeds - it only cast a clear light upon them. But at some point (if not in this life time than another), there must be a reckoning and atonement for all that we have left behind us from all our past lives. Every action has its consequences: no one can escape their past... this is Divine Justice - the Universal Law of Karma.




two quotes from a spiritual friend of mine from his healing website

from certain spiritual perspectives, death is not the end of conscious experience, and this life we lead here is a form of school for our consciousness. the idea that conscious experience ends with death is not by any means proven or the only idea floating around about what happens at death. i would recommend that you check out some spiritual traditions, books, teachings, etc... out there and see what resonates with you. changing our view on death i think can have profound impacts on our quality of life and levels of depression. that said, if there is an underlying depression caused by other factors, that too could be influencing your bleak outlook on life, as others have said.

i wish you happiness and a life full of personal meaning and satisfaction :smile:


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: deff]
    #22147741 - 08/26/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If there are lessons to learn how do we know what they are? Who decides that? How do we know they are not the perspective of the individual alone? Such things are far to arbitrary to be of an use.

Also how do we know we have a purpose on this planet or this life? Again who decides that and how do we know? There is no way to tell that aside from faith and that is nothing but the trade of idiots.

To me spirituality is just a waste of time. My whole life I have believed in it and had nothing to show for it. The more I delved into science the less spirituality seemed viable or believable. As for as I know our lives are just an accident and given the state of the world the belief is cemented quite well.

The more days that pass the more pointless and empty life feels. I try to find a way around it but everything is so arbitrary that it seems pointless to make any solid declaration. Our senses are fallible and our knowledge is imperfect. How can we be sure of anything?


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22147819 - 08/26/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if spirituality leads to a happy life versus nihilism leading to depression, then i wouldn't say spirituality is a waste of time :smile: but everyone is unique in what works for them and interests them, just some food for thought :smile:


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: deff] * 1
    #22147876 - 08/26/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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if spirituality leads to a happy life versus nihilism leading to depression, then i wouldn't say spirituality is a waste of time :smile:



That. is. amazing.

Fuckin' nail on the head there deff!!!!!!

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We may think that everything is rosy and lovey dovey when we leave this earthly existence, but this is not necessarily so. Death is not an escape from our past actions: we take our disturbing desires, earthly attachments, shocking traumas, and resistant selfish ways and will with us wherever we go, even to the other side.



This also resonates very very deeply with me. Faith may well be 'the trade of idiots', and if it is, then I'm a full blown fucking idiot. But an idiot who can't deny the depths of his soul and what is telling him.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22147882 - 08/26/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:laugh: :thumbup:


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22147907 - 08/26/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I've been convinced for some time now that deff clearly knows what he is talking about. :thumbup:


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22147915 - 08/26/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah I've been convinced for some time now that deff clearly knows what he is talking about. :thumbup:



You and me both brother!


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22147982 - 08/26/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not. Spirituality is just a delusion based on nothing but faith. I just cannot live that way. I need proof not just someone's say so.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22147991 - 08/26/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My brain is just too logical to accept something based on faith. Also spirituality has caused some pretty horrid things as well.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #22147999 - 08/26/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A good approach, to seek some evidence for yourself. I think sometimes people get caught up in seeking others to prove it to them though, rather than to seek to prove it to themselves. Which is perhaps a difficult part of spirituality -- the practice that requires individual effort and cannot be pawned onto another.


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    #22148004 - 08/26/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My spirituality has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else's say so. It's simply a result of years and years spent questioning everything, and the resulting conclusion I have come to.


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