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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Rahz]
    #22137356 - 08/24/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm serious. It's like defeat before the beginning. Everything I try to do just gets shot down instantly.




You just need to change the context of your viewpoint. Nihilism is IMO an honest world view. Being okay with such a proposition requires only that you give up your unreasonable expectations.

A main pointer would be that you shouldn't take your thoughts too seriously during this time, whether it's suicidal or manifests in an outward way, blaming some aspect of life or humanity for this apparent void of meaning and worth. In these regards, "don't trust yourself". Be a student of yourself. Watch how manipulative your brain is with the thoughts and emotions. You have to find the line between fixating on your condition and being cold hearted. If you can maintain that center line you will discover compassion. Perhaps not as vibrant a feeling as the ones conjured by illusion, but at least real and can lead to real experiences that are worthwhile.

You have an eternity to be dead. While you're alive be curious and learn... not like you have anything better to do right? Plenty of worse things to do.




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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: zZZz]
    #22137537 - 08/24/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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sounds like depression, man..

is their anything currently bothering u?..

problems at home, work?...

i'm all ears




It's really this whole issue.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22137888 - 08/24/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm going to get a lot of shit for this but when I start feeling this way I listen to Terence McKenna and suddenly everything is magical and full of life again. Good vibes your way man, I wish you the best :smile:


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22139837 - 08/25/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why would Terrance McKenna help me out? It's because of him that I feel into great anxiety


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22139882 - 08/25/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would Terrance McKenna help me out? It's because of him that I feel into great anxiety



Different strokes for different folks. Sorry you let someone you've never met in person influence your life so much for the worse :shrug:


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22139962 - 08/25/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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sounds like depression, man..

is their anything currently bothering u?..

problems at home, work?...

i'm all ears




It's really this whole issue.




well, imho there's really nothing to figure out..

we can say that nihilism is nihilism itself.. it really has no purpose, it's simply a stage, unless of course u surpass this stage then it becomes like some sort of crutch that helped u kind of make sense of what u were going through at the time, but i mean nihilism itself is a dead end, a puddle of mud, or like quick sand, that slowly consumes its unsuspecting prey.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22140297 - 08/25/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's not really someone I never met, it's more like an idea that I never heard about that really doesn't have flaws with it


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22140314 - 08/25/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Everything I've heard McKenna say has been along the lines of "take back your mind" "the world isn't as basic and boring as culture tries to make it out to be" or he's describing his psychedelic experiences :shrug:


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22140553 - 08/25/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But aren't they entirely subjective in that the only meaning they have is what we give them, in that they are inherently meaningless. They are just physical sensations. He even struggled with whether or not his visions meant something or wether they were delusions.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22140588 - 08/25/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But aren't they entirely subjective in that the only meaning they have is what we give them, in that they are inherently meaningless. They are just physical sensations. He even struggled with whether or not his visions meant something or wether they were delusions.




So what?  Regardless of how phenomena acquire meaning, they are indeed meaningful.  I would go so far as to say that, as psychology and neuroscience become more advanced, there could even be a science of meaning.  Who cares why it exists?  Just because there is no fundamental meaning for the universe, it doesn't mean we can't as sentient creatures be successful and thrive.

Depression is no mystery, for purely practical purposes.  (I know it is still quite mysterious scientifically).  Please take the initiative to talk to someone, and get some help.  There is absolutely no shame in that.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22140728 - 08/25/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe this article will help you. It's one of the main things I've read that helped me overcome my depression. (it doesn't have anything to do with Terence)
http://www.the-open-mind.com/getting-through-the-dark-night-of-the-soulimportant-read-as-everyone-experiences-this/#sthash.9qFNaIz5.dpuf
Hope it helps :hug:


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22141428 - 08/25/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't understand, what do you mean don't trust myself?




Never trust a depressed state of mind. Make sense? It has to do with how you relate to yourself, what you allow yourself to believe. Sometimes better to believe nothing at all.... And of course that leads back into nihilism but again, we're talking about interpretations of reality, not reality. Don't trust your initial thoughts about what nihilism is/means on an emotional level.

I remember when I was a teenager I read a magazine article on Sid Barrett about how he was a middle aged nobody with mental problems living in London off royalties. He was reclusive, overweight, kept to himself. The article also detailed his drug use and several psychotic episodes while he was in Floyd and how his mates had no choice but abandon him. Reading the article, I fell into identification with him, and felt insane. Weak willed I was at the time, my own brain working against me.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Rahz]
    #22141669 - 08/25/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't believe there is any trouble with nihilism.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Brian Jones]
    #22142608 - 08/25/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why is that?


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22143224 - 08/25/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Since you are into Terrance McKenna I'm wondering have you been using psychedelics frequently?  Doing psychedelics continuously while depressed over a period of time makes it worse.  If that's the case take a break for a year.  Maybe start excercising regularly and eating healthy if you don't already.  If you're depressed that means there is a chemical balance in your brain that you need to work on balancing or it will get worse.  I agree with the person who said don't trust yourself.  Don't think of your perspective as being the only real perspective.  Instead pay attention to how your perspective on everything is shaded by depression.  So if you get some depressing thought you can say to yourself "I would never have thought something like that if I wasn't so depressed right now."  When I was going through bad depression I found this to be a helpful way to detach myself from the depression and view it realistically while I worked on improving my health.  Once your mood improves I bet you'll have a hard time seeing things from the perspective you had when you were depressed


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22143293 - 08/25/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Simply put, reading about nihilism has made me suicidal. Life seems to have no point or purpose for me anymore and I have no desire to do or aspire towards anything. Sleep is my only respite but I don't want to live that way anymore, I don't want to wake up each day dreading life.

Maybe I don't understand it, maybe it is as bad as it seems, but I need help.




If it's any consolation many great minds on this forum struggle from this. Some moreso than others. And by "this" I mean feelings of hopelessness, suicidal ideation, and a lack of purpose.

As the saying goes: Twas ever thus

Some of us will always peer into the pit and find the pit staring back.

I do wish you the best however. Even though I can relate and find those who have stared into the pit some of the most interesting, wise, and often compassionate individuals around, it doesn't make the journey easier. A poster here prior, Icelander, used to refer to the warrior attitude. I think there may be some utility in that for you. To acknowledge that there is no point and yet to channel your inner warrior in to fight the good fight anyways.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22144422 - 08/26/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't believe there is any trouble with nihilism.



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Why is that?




    It's a joke dude. Nihilists don't believe in anything.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Brian Jones]
    #22144669 - 08/26/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't understand how that is supposed to make me feel, I thought there was a point to it.


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    #22145439 - 08/26/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Looks to me that you've decided to identify with death, demise, dissolution, and last but certainly not least - despair. You took the name Thanatos10, and you've conveniently assumed a possible philosophical position of Nihilism which is one of the two heresies of Buddhism, for example, because it is life-denying, not life-affirming. "Life is a blast," as my wife likes to say to me when I'm down, but to you I suggest that you may well be suffering from clinical depression. My former acquaintances who committed suicide in their teens or 20s, some over 40 years ago made a tragically poor choice. Death may be inevitable, but suicide is like opening a new book o the last page. You have skipped the breadth and depth, the joys and disappointments, and all the lessons that Life teaches. One dies without having first lived. What a waste. If physical death is not the end of experience, dying "in sin" may be a horrible mistake on top of being merely tragic. Suicide might be reasonable under certain circumstances like intractable pain as the result of terminal illness, or choosing to jump from a building rather than be engulfed in burning jet fuel. But if one's body is young and healthy, than the mind can be straightened out, and ought to be. One needs to balance the forces of light and darkness, not submit to the latter. Go get some professional help. I'm a provider of mental health services in real life and that's my advice to you. I've been through a nihilistic phase, but I was 19 years old. Now I'm 62. Life is worth it, despite all the suffering and evil.


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    #22145883 - 08/26/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Looks to me that you've decided to identify with death, demise, dissolution, and last but certainly not least - despair. You took the name Thanatos10, and you've conveniently assumed a possible philosophical position of Nihilism which is one of the two heresies of Buddhism, for example, because it is life-denying, not life-affirming. "Life is a blast," as my wife likes to say to me when I'm down, but to you I suggest that you may well be suffering from clinical depression. My former acquaintances who committed suicide in their teens or 20s, some over 40 years ago made a tragically poor choice. Death may be inevitable, but suicide is like opening a new book o the last page. You have skipped the breadth and depth, the joys and disappointments, and all the lessons that Life teaches. One dies without having first lived. What a waste. If physical death is not the end of experience, dying "in sin" may be a horrible mistake on top of being merely tragic. Suicide might be reasonable under certain circumstances like intractable pain as the result of terminal illness, or choosing to jump from a building rather than be engulfed in burning jet fuel. But if one's body is young and healthy, than the mind can be straightened out, and ought to be. One needs to balance the forces of light and darkness, not submit to the latter. Go get some professional help. I'm a provider of mental health services in real life and that's my advice to you. I've been through a nihilistic phase, but I was 19 years old. Now I'm 62. Life is worth it, despite all the suffering and evil.




Excellent advice, especially this:

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to you I suggest that you may well be suffering from clinical depression.




As I have stated above, this appears to be the case.  There are solutions, but you have to seek them.  The alternative would be to remain miserable indefinitely.


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