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Trouble with Nihilism
    #22131669 - 08/23/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Simply put, reading about nihilism has made me suicidal. Life seems to have no point or purpose for me anymore and I have no desire to do or aspire towards anything. Sleep is my only respite but I don't want to live that way anymore, I don't want to wake up each day dreading life.

Maybe I don't understand it, maybe it is as bad as it seems, but I need help.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22131754 - 08/23/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's just what nihilism is, it is intended to make u feel that way.

I had a loved one who got really into that shit, except he never had the privalge to make one of these threads, he had already suffered from depression, but nihilism took him to the edge and he committed suicide about 4 years ago.. it broke my heart..

Keep striving, man. Life does have a purpose, sometimes just being alive for ur loved ones is ur purpose.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22131773 - 08/23/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive." --Pvt. Joker


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22131912 - 08/23/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Kuhl]
    #22131998 - 08/23/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It doesn't help that I'm also struggling with depression.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Kuhl]
    #22132019 - 08/23/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe nihilism could be "what" we grapple with, but practically speaking many people will argue it's not any thesis or "thing". Philosophically speaking many references to nihilism are oblique; or in coherence are the equivelent of walking off a cliff. Not that this should be comforting, but clearly people will be saying how it is self a full filling.

Heidegger wrote (clearly in a manner of speaking) "the nothing nothings". But what did he mean? Well he was arguing for the relavence of metaphysics to a modern world. Nietzsche is somewhere between being outgoingly cheery and a loose cannon, and is usually misreferenced.

I think context may be key. Who do you take to be nihilist writers, that you are reading. I recall the term has its main origin, as something "claimed" by Russian anarchists in the 19th century.

Hope things look up.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22132044 - 08/23/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
It doesn't help that I'm also struggling with depression.




It all depends on what you want.  I assume there are loved ones in your life who would be permanently devastated should anything catastrophic happen to you.  Go talk to somebody, a depression counselor, a psychiatrist, other people suffering from depression -- maybe all of the above.  If you want to live to fight another day, you know what you have to do. 

Best of good luck.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Kuhl] * 1
    #22132098 - 08/23/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've also been depressed since my early teens when I really started thinking about life more but that's no reason to die.  Since life is pointless, to kill yourself over something pointless is even more pointless.  You don't need a purpose to continue living, all you need is to find things you've enjoyed doing your whole life and continue doing them while finding new activities you enjoy.  Realistically, no one is going to create a meaningful impact on larger things in life like the environment or the well being of the billions of other people, but you can at least make the best of the situations you were born in to improve as an individual and create a better life for yourself, your family, and your friends.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: geffer]
    #22132168 - 08/23/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's pretty well said. I should have clarified that in what I was getting at, nihilism can be an intellectual position that is getting over-emphasized. That something doesn't make intellectual sense can maybe seem like the eclipse of a pinpoint focus, in view of life.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: geffer]
    #22132435 - 08/23/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Think that's pretty spot on, Geffer.
Regarding impact though what is meaningful or not is subject to change from person to person, for instance if we're considering human related impact even or the impact you could have for all the other species on this planet trapped with us. If one decides to put their value of meaning into compassion care for animals there is plenty of purpose to find, for example.

What interests me more though is how clear it is our values are subjective, and clearly can be changed with conscious will.
We have to make our purpose, I'm not convinced we simply find it. It is terrifying to realize we are the one's holding the reigns but imo Nihilism and that fear go hand in hand.

Thanatos: I recommend a healthy dose of existentialism to balance it all out in the mix, if that doesn't make sense do some reading on it along side of your current readings.
Kurt already mentioned Heidegger, if you haven't brushed up on that give it a shot. Also I <3 Huckabees is a cute little film that might jog the gears with material very blatantly about this topic, a one character is in the exact position you are in.

Hang in there it will come around if you keep striving. Meaninglessness is a freedom imo, we aren't someone elses character we are our own and life is the challenge to tell the story we want. It's hard and scary if you ask me, but if you give a shit and try you find a lot to be valued and enjoyed.
It's all in the moments, and while the fleeting nature of life is anxiety inducing without it the whole thing  would be dull.
If this is our one shot, don't waste it.
Get as much fun as you can, actually enjoy this crazy ride, and you will have given the biggest middle-finger to the universe. Who basically set you up to die.


:minigun: IT WAS A SET UP, BOYS!


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Tropism]
    #22133072 - 08/23/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just can't shake this nagging feeling inside that nothing matters and it's all pointless. I feel a cold sensation in my heart and yet my body feels pretty good. I'm not sure what to make of all this.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #22133973 - 08/24/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"The universe is a puzzle, life is a problem to be solved, it's a conundrum, it's not what it appears to be. There are doors, there are locks and keys, there are levels, and if you get it right, somehow it will give way to something extremely unexpected."

We don't know what kind of circumstance we are caught in. Nihilism is just an attitude towards this unknown circumstance that doesn't use much of your IQ to happen upon.

Depression seems to be the ONLY evidence for nihilistic propositions. Depression is a horrific state of mind and the world is co-created by your state of mind, state of being. So you are pretty much in a pointless universe when depressed, as far as you can know. And you can't know anything else until you're healthy again.

A healthy brain doesn't assume, doesn't believe, it doesn't have to do these things, they are unnecessary, the world that the state of mind of healthiness and happiness generates is perfectly acceptable.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: circastes] * 2
    #22134669 - 08/24/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

to anyone struggling with nihilism i say as follows:

get a haircut! :crankey:

no im being deadly serious. get a weird cool one. maybe dyed or braided or both?..

if you really dont believe in anything this will have no effect on your life. you will feel nothing from this arbitrary change to some superficial aspect of your reality... right?

and if you dont feel anything due to your nihilistic paradigm, i urge you to do some more stuff. buy some interesting clothes, post a video on youtube, join a society for medieval reenactments...

i mean if you really dont believe anything you should be impervious to anything right? you should be free to traverse the limits of experience and expression without vulnerability hesitation or emotion.

so do it. prove to yourself you are actually a nihilist in the truest sense and not just some mopy pretender who has adopted nihilism as a convenient shield to avoid any kind of change to old tired behaviour patterns and ideas of self. i will take my hat off to ya.

and hey if you're not a nihilist after all or things do seem to have meaning even if you dont really know why.. well come join the rest of us
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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: quinn]
    #22134933 - 08/24/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nice one! :cheers:


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: circastes]
    #22136621 - 08/24/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just can't shake this nagging feeling in my head that tells me it's all pointless. No matter what I do to distract myself.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22136635 - 08/24/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

how can it be pointless?

look at all these points

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and that's just the beginning


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: zZZz]
    #22136879 - 08/24/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm serious. It's like defeat before the beginning. Everything I try to do just gets shot down instantly.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22137065 - 08/24/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

sounds like depression, man..

is their anything currently bothering u?..

problems at home, work?...

i'm all ears


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22137067 - 08/24/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm serious. It's like defeat before the beginning. Everything I try to do just gets shot down instantly.




You just need to change the context of your viewpoint. Nihilism is IMO an honest world view. Being okay with such a proposition requires only that you give up your unreasonable expectations.

A main pointer would be that you shouldn't take your thoughts too seriously during this time, whether it's suicidal or manifests in an outward way, blaming some aspect of life or humanity for this apparent void of meaning and worth. In these regards, "don't trust yourself". Be a student of yourself. Watch how manipulative your brain is with the thoughts and emotions. You have to find the line between fixating on your condition and being cold hearted. If you can maintain that center line you will discover compassion. Perhaps not as vibrant a feeling as the ones conjured by illusion, but at least real and can lead to real experiences that are worthwhile.

You have an eternity to be dead. While you're alive be curious and learn... not like you have anything better to do right? Plenty of worse things to do.


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Re: Trouble with Nihilism [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #22137185 - 08/24/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference."

That's as much meaning as I need.


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