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In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society
#22130534 - 08/23/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you find it necessary to discuss socialism vs communism or who worked so much harder for what be my guest. However I wanted to primarily leave cash as a trade example out of the discussion and more so focus on necessity and simply provide examples of things you have seen to be entirely wasteful in society.
For example:
If Bill Gates personal worth is $60 billion and a sandwich is worth $6 retail in general and Bill Gates does not believe in feeding people for free then that means he could buy 6 billion sandwiches in his life time and could never eat them. Meanwhile if a bum who hung out outside a gas station and pandered for money got approx $1 every 25 minutes, it would take him over 4 hours to get the $6 required to buy a sandwich.
Is this a good example of a waste of resources? I'd like to think so
Any other good examples you can provide with disregard to who worked how hard for what? Also let's disregard "intelligence" and "engineering ability" from the argument if possible. Let's disregard the labor required or equipment needed to be engineered to create the means of dispersal. If possible, please just provide here an example of an extremely bad waste of resources that could have been dispersed better.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: imachavel]
#22130845 - 08/23/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The drug war.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: imachavel]
#22131094 - 08/23/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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>If Bill Gates personal worth is $60 billion and a sandwich is worth $6 retail in general and Bill Gates does not believe in feeding people for free then that means he could buy 6 billion sandwiches in his life time and could never eat them
Actually, he could buy 10 billion of them at full price. Anyone buying that many will get a large discount as well.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: imachavel]
#22131160 - 08/23/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bill Gates gives away more money than you will earn in your whole life.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: Sun King]
#22132735 - 08/23/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You mean he "gave it away" to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation?
Which went into stock?
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: imachavel]
#22132744 - 08/23/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gates is an idiot in some ways. He sends vaccines to Africa which has the highest population density and highest birthrate in any continent in the world. Brilliant move. Now who will feed and house all those people who didn't die? And the brats they crap out? Starvation and shelter etc are their needs, not more people. They need less people.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: imachavel]
#22134294 - 08/24/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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imachavel said:

You mean he "gave it away" to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation?
Which went into stock?

His foundation gives away money. 
Of course it went into stock. Do know what a foundation is?
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: Sun King]
#22134426 - 08/24/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nothing comes even close to the bailouts and corporate welfare offered to Wall Street. Nothing.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: Sun King]
#22134518 - 08/24/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sun King said: Bill Gates gives away more money in a year than you will earn in your whole life.
fixed it for ya.
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Stonehenge said: Gates is an idiot in some ways. He sends vaccines to Africa which has the highest population density and highest birthrate in any continent in the world. Brilliant move. Now who will feed and house all those people who didn't die? And the brats they crap out? Starvation and shelter etc are their needs, not more people. They need less people.
You're a real humanitarian. There are many places in the world people are 'crapping out babies', so we should let them wallow in their own misery. I thought the right was supposed to the christians god fearing party.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: sweeper54]
#22134569 - 08/24/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think he is basically questioning the point of sending medicine to people to cure their diseases simply so they can live disease free while dying of hunger
Question:
Did he own major stock of the company that sent the medicine?
Rephrased:
Was it a publicity move that drove the company to fame and he somehow profited more even though he spent a lot of money to finance something?
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: imachavel]
#22134604 - 08/24/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The richest man in the world gave away a ton of money to create a foundation to send medicine to Africa to pump a stock.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: imachavel]
#22134635 - 08/24/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is a good post. We constantly get the left wing crap view that we must hand over our resources to those who have wasted their own. Therefore the idiots breed like mad while we try to carefully control population. What will happen is eventually the populations of overly dense third world countries become so big that they die off no matter how many handouts we send them. Then they have plagues, starvation, etc until the population goes down some.
Meanwhile the pollution they create from coal and wood fires travels around the world, they pollute the oceans, the land and air. The next 50 to 100 years will be very bad as we reap the whirlwind from the stupid excesses of the bleeding heart liberals.
Animals naturally have die offs when they exceed their environment's capacity to support them. This has happened many times since animals can't control themselves. Since human can't control themselves either, the same thing will happen.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: Stonehenge]
#22134700 - 08/24/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bill Gates is also developing agriculture there.
Maybe he just had good parents and decided he'd prefer to do something nice for the world with his money rather than hoard it until he dies
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22134716 - 08/24/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Bill Gates is also developing agriculture there.
Maybe he just had good parents and decided he'd prefer to do something nice for the world with his money rather than hoard it until he dies 
He is hoarding it. His wealth is growing faster now than when he ran Microsoft.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22135049 - 08/24/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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He's donated 28 billion to charity and is worth 79 billion.
How do you figure he's hoarding money? I'd be hard pressed to get my wife to give away 25% of her shoes.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22135267 - 08/24/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its a losing proposition anyway. Those primitive people use slash and burn because its easier and which creates pollution. The land quickly loses its ability to grow plants because they can't afford expensive fertilizer. The only solution is to lower the world population, stupid measures to crank out more brats is doomed to failure.
He makes a ton of money on that indirectly plus the tax write off and gets glowing press. Maybe he means well but he is going about things the wrong way. When the ecosystem breaks down they will never blame the do gooders or the people who can't control the size of their families, they will blame the wrong ones. The ecosystem is breaking down right now and more people is the last thing we need.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: Stonehenge]
#22135318 - 08/24/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you fly much internationally, you quickly realize that the vast majority of the earth's surface is not inhabited by Humans. Most humans are clustered around coastal cities. The earth really isn't over crowded, it's just that we've associated "freedom" with the entitlement to consume a lot of resources and produce a virtually limitless amount of trash mostly coming from a corporation dominated culture that pushes a consumption/waste/dispose mindset for a small percentage of the planet and poverty for the rest. It is this sense that some humans "deserve" a level of wealth while others struggle in absolute poverty with the main determining factor simply being where you're born.
We have plenty of resources, talent, labor and interest in literally creating a paradise on this planet where everyone has a decent home, healthy food, abundant clean water, very affordable transportation, meaningful work and things like health care and education.
Effort is organized around what is "profitable" vs what is important and necessary. There are hundreds of extremely important projects to just get clean water, health food and proper sanitation to the planet but we "can't" do it because it's "not profitable enough" or because of horrendous leadership we put up with because they often provide profitable cheap access to that country's natural resources.
This is, in essence, just the end result of decades of predatory capitalism and militant nationalism supported by an idiotic religious legacy of afterlife salvation cuts.. What we need is cooperative capitalism. We need labor to have an equal voice in the boardroom as shareholders and we need every voter to have the SAME influence, regardless of wealth. Until then, I predict continued wasting of resources, and extreme consumption of virtually everything by about 25% of the global population while the rest struggle in poverty. The wealth class is making every critical decision on the planet and their most important filter is how will this decision bring more wealth and power to ME. That is, in a nutshell, what creates tremendous waste of resources and, more importantly, human potential which is being squandered at epic levels.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: Stonehenge]
#22137508 - 08/24/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Let's just nuke the fuckers and put an end to their misery. Nothing good is going to come of them based on your sick scenario so let's just wipe them out.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: sweeper54]
#22138996 - 08/25/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Since the gates foundation is doing research in vaccines, Africa seems like the ideal place to do it.
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Re: In this thread post one example that you think defines an example of extreme waste in society [Re: Sun King]
#22139398 - 08/25/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Someone that has that amount of money should buy an orchard that the fruits from the trees are only to be donated to feed the poor, but not to gain a profit; and then he could purchase an chicken ranch or hatchery where they can breed chickens or produce eggs and donate 1/2 and use the rest to produce more. I know it cost to maintain an chicken ranch or hatchery, but having volunteers programs to have them to run these places for an small percentage of eggs.
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