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Bigturd69
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Tannins and Trips
#22130220 - 08/23/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Something that I've been pondering that I wanted to bounce off other mycologist minds: Tannins created by tea, mostly green and black tea, as well as coffee can hinder the absorbstion of iron (mostly plant and grain iron called non-heme iron) and B12 in foods as much as 65% if consumed with a meal. The reason being is that the tannins absorb the nutrients and do not allow the body to absorb them properly. A guy I know recently ate some cubensis with a friend. Same strain harvested at the same time. Friend 1 tripped, friend 2 did not. Friend 2 has been drinking a lot of tea and did drink tea containing tannins directly before ingesting the fungi. (not fungi tea). These said tannins also have well documented antimicrobial properties, effective against many bacteria, fungi, and viruses. Now while not being ignorant to the fact that ingesting fungus is not the same as fungus attempting to grow in the body, I'm curious if it is possible these tannins are hindering the absorption of psilocybin. Just something I wanted to throw out there and see what you guys think or experienced
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Toadstool5
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Re: Tannins and Trips [Re: Bigturd69]
#22130490 - 08/23/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pretty sure tannins form complexes with minerals and thats why their bioavailability dropped. Psilocybin would probably be too soluble and unstable to form a complex with tannins. I have also heard of people adding tea to their mushroom tea without any noticeable decreases in potency.
Cubensis has a respectable variance in potency from fruit body to fruit body. Chances are one friend got stronger stuff and the other got weak stuff. This is one reason why we isolate cultures. Or add everything to a single batch of tea and then split the doses so everything is on a more even playing field.
I would almost guarantee that the cubensis was cultivated from MS and never properly isolated and tested.
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Bigturd69
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Interesting. I am curious to see who has mixed tea with their fungus brew and their experience. I will tell my friend to look into isolation and testing. A link to proper technique would be much appreciated if willing to teach.
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Re: Tannins and Trips [Re: Bigturd69]
#22130773 - 08/23/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's my favorite write-up on how to do isolations.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998#18430998
It takes a few transfers from agar to agar and a lot of testing but once you have a reliably potent and fruiting isolate it will take the guess work out of yields/dose if you always use the same substrate and procedures.
Here's the first one I found that uses tea with their shroom tea with no problems (its also a tutorial). Some people have reported using flavored teas like raspberry or mint.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20350004#20350004
For isolations it might be easier to fruit a Multi-Spore inoculated substrate like PF-Tek cakes or bulk trays and clone the largest cluster of mushrooms, then isolate from there if they turn out to be potent.
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Re: Tannins and Trips [Re: Bigturd69]
#22135966 - 08/24/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I make tea with black or green tea sometimes and haven't noticed an issue with potency. I much prefer using fresh ginger root and herbal teas like a primarily chamomile tea though. That's preference is solely due to flavor. Ginger also goes well with lemon, if I have lemons or limes on hand ill lemon tek the shrooms before dumping into the boiling ginger water and not add a leaf tea.
I might make tea today and if I do I'll make a strong oolong tea then add the mushrooms and report back.
This thread would have more traction in the psychedelic experiance forum, not as many will chime in here as the viewing count for advanced mycology is rarely over 10 at any given moment.
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Appalachian Brony
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tea tannins did not get in the way
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36fuckin5
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Quote:
Appalachian Brony said: tea tannins did not get in the way
Of course they didn't. This whole question is retarded.
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Re: Tannins and Trips [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22149826 - 08/27/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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sometimes some people are just not receptive to psychedelics, working in n ayahuasca retreat center there is often 1 or two people who never have visionary experience no matter what we do to them.
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