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People who have never come back from trips?
    #22130095 - 08/23/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone got any good stories of people who have never come back from tripping? Or got any good links?
Do you believe this can happen?
I understand you can see the world different and the truth of it, but I have heard of people not being able to now walk, without their arm being in the air after not coming back from a trip, for some strange reason I do not know... How much of this is true?


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Ghost_in_shell]
    #22130174 - 08/23/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's all scare tactics that have been used for the past 50 years to demonize psychedelic drug use within the general population. I'm sure you have heard of the story of a guy that took LSD, had a bad trip, and now thinks he is a glass of orange juice :lol: It's all made up stories. But, that's not to say that taking these substances won't reveal latent mental issues/ psychosis. Tripping will only show what is behind the scenes of your mind (subconscious), but won't give you long term psychosis. If you were predisposed to mental illness to begin with, but didn't show any signs, it will come to the surface sooner rather than later.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22130205 - 08/23/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if someone doesnt come back form a trip i think it means they died while they were tripping, i mean i kn ow thats the only way id never come down from a trip.  you need to remember, no matter how hard your frying, YOU WILL COME DOWN EVENTUALLY.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: whitelights]
    #22130252 - 08/23/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have NEVER heard the story about the guy who now thinks he is a glass of orange, but I always tell people the story of a friend of mine who thought she was a glass of orange juice while tripping on mushrooms, thankfully she returned though, haha! Pretty strange though, thought I was the only one with that story!
There's a YouTube vid about that Colombian devil dust drug, (forgot the propa name (the drug the criminals use to get your bank details willingly from you) ) the guy in the vid said his friend took one of the seeds from this plant, now after tripping off it he always looks from behind his hand, like holds his hand infront of his face and appears over the top of it! The check it out, think it's a vice documentary.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Ghost_in_shell]
    #22130274 - 08/23/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Scopolamine is the name of it. I think I've seen part of that documentary, scary stuff, can't believe drugs like that exist.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Ghost_in_shell]
    #22130296 - 08/23/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #22130308 - 08/23/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dang, you beat me to it...

Op, I think you'd come back no matter what. How it changed you might be a different story, but you'll come back.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Achillita]
    #22130371 - 08/23/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, that's the drug! It's scary how a person can abuse that drug for their own gratification, but I believe it can be used wisely for child birth and illnesses, like the ancients did!

Yeah I'm not worried! I have kinda never come back from a few trips, lol, see the world different now, but not in a scary crazy way.
Bet not one person knows of anyone personally, who has never come back from a trip!


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Ghost_in_shell]
    #22130541 - 08/23/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you were able to get "stuck" in a trip, then I would've gotten "stuck" when I had my first bad trip.  I just got fucked up.  Like even Syd Barrett gardened and lived on his own and went to the grocery store the rest of his life after taking acid multiple times every day for months on end.  And he had underlying mental illness too I believe truly.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
    #22130549 - 08/23/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Who is Sid Barrett? And what does him gardening and gong to the super market have to do with not coming back from a trip?... Was he that guy who invented xtc and lived in someone's basement?


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Ghost_in_shell]
    #22130607 - 08/23/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He was one of the founding members of Pink Floyd. And yea, I've read that he had schizophrenia, it was just undiagnosed. When he abused acid, that's what really pushed him over the edge.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22130668 - 08/23/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah they tried to tell me I had schizophrenia as well, and weed and mushrooms took me over the edge. I just saw a different truth to them that they didn't understand and they don't want people to understand. What you need is a good loving environment and not people who tell you your not normal. My friend was seeing and understanding the same things as well and wasn't forced by his family to get help and he never understood why I let them try tell me I was mentally ill. Everything we both saw and believed we both could talk about and understand. Would be different if it made no sense to anyone but we could both see it.... It's amazing how much the world around you can change and you didn't know was there or could ever be there!


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Ghost_in_shell]
    #22131415 - 08/23/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Never coming back from a trip" is an urban myth, but there are some stories of people who's trip has basically transitioned into a psychotic episode.....so the trip ends but the madness continues for several days, or perhaps the psychotic episode becomes the start of a longer period of mental illness in some rare cases.

This is a good story: LSD psychosis aftermath "my multiple day descent into madness"

Another case of someone tripping and not quite making it back down to reality when they should have done: Help a Desperate Mom

And there's dwpineal's epic story My LSD trip that lasted 8 months which is a good read.

This is a post I made in a similar thread to this one, also has some links: Bad trip and not coming back

And finally there's an interesting thread here - So I just got out of the psyche ward, the story is spread across several different posts but it starts off intriguingly with the statement "As some of you know I tripped on some LSD and Mescaline about a month ago and basically didn't come down".

Hopefully some of those threads will interest you....:peace:


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22137580 - 08/24/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Scopolamine is the name of it. I think I've seen part of that documentary, scary stuff, can't believe drugs like that exist.




Scopolamine is used in standard medicine all the time, in patches for severe sea sickness even

It can be scary when used in nefarious ways


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #22137595 - 08/24/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Aldebaran said:
"Never coming back from a trip" is an urban myth, but there are some stories of people who's trip has basically transitioned into a psychotic episode.....so the trip ends but the madness continues for several days, or perhaps the psychotic episode becomes the start of a longer period of mental illness in some rare cases.

This is a good story: LSD psychosis aftermath "my multiple day descent into madness"

Another case of someone tripping and not quite making it back down to reality when they should have done: Help a Desperate Mom

And there's dwpineal's epic story My LSD trip that lasted 8 months which is a good read.

This is a post I made in a similar thread to this one, also has some links: Bad trip and not coming back

And finally there's an interesting thread here - So I just got out of the psyche ward, the story is spread across several different posts but it starts off intriguingly with the statement "As some of you know I tripped on some LSD and Mescaline about a month ago and basically didn't come down".

Hopefully some of those threads will interest you....:peace:



Then there's still medication of course which will help treat psychosis greatly.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: mushpunx]
    #22147501 - 08/26/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Scopolamine is the name of it. I think I've seen part of that documentary, scary stuff, can't believe drugs like that exist.




Scopolamine is used in standard medicine all the time, in patches for severe sea sickness even

It can be scary when used in nefarious ways




Wow, I did not know that! If that vice documentary was any good, it would of mentioned that! Apparently, to them, it's the Devils drug and should never be touched.
Where did you get this info from please?


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Ghost_in_shell]
    #22148471 - 08/26/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think it is used in some heart medications as well.

It's all about the dose administered, although i have heard some
seriously crazy reports from datura ingestion. That
shit is truly crazy.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Ghost_in_shell]
    #22148649 - 08/26/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Psilosoulful said:
Scopolamine is the name of it. I think I've seen part of that documentary, scary stuff, can't believe drugs like that exist.




Scopolamine is used in standard medicine all the time, in patches for severe sea sickness even

It can be scary when used in nefarious ways




Wow, I did not know that! If that vice documentary was any good, it would of mentioned that! Apparently, to them, it's the Devils drug and should never be touched.
Where did you get this info from please?




Just do some research on it, check drugs.com maybe wikipedia etc
Im sure its dose related, I think it just takes a few seeds to cause hallucinations, maybe the medical dose is in micrograms or something


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: mushpunx]
    #22148744 - 08/26/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

my friends dad said he nearly didnt come back, and just the look on his face made us realize how deep he would of gone.... it was a really concerning look lol..

There are plenty of people who have taken it over board and ended up in mental hospitals/dead and had strokes..


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Blazer420]
    #22148819 - 08/26/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have a friend who never really came back from a shroom trip, but it's because her mom has like a bajillion mental illnesses and she developed them.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Ghost_in_shell]
    #22149533 - 08/26/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Who is Sid Barrett? And what does him gardening and gong to the super market have to do with not coming back from a trip?... Was he that guy who invented xtc and lived in someone's basement?




WHO IS  SYD BARRETT?  :whyyy:  :aweshit:  :badmanthisfeels:  :obamafrown:  :goodburger:  :pedobearhide:  :meltdown:  :doge:  :sonofawebitch:  :charliecoke:  :awenuhuh:  :awelol:  :mmmkay:  :uh:  :omfg:  :zomgwtf:  :nosiridontlikeit:  :dudewtf:  :ltdan:  :hamletmonkey:  :carl:  :randy:  :aliceshocker:  :cerveau:


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22150299 - 08/27/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Way back when I was in high school 1970's...a friend of mine who I knew since cub scouts began taking LSD daily...I would see him in school all the time tripping...I mean for like a year...his big sister was shacking up with the main supplier of L in our area...so, he had a constant supply.
Then, one day I saw him in the library and he was chanting some gibberish with his eyes closed... I asked him what he was doing and to stop because he was about to get in trouble again, which he could ill afford...he just looked at me...like right through me and said..."Don't you get it?"over and over. I told him he needed to stop the LSD and he replied that he hadn't taken any in months.
I saw him 30 years later and he is still exactly as he was that day.

As I reflect, I do know that his dad was a drunk and physically abused him and his brother ...and that these drugs more than likely released his schizophrenic personality that was lying in wait. It still bothers me though...he was a brilliant kid...excelled in math and in sports. Scared my away from psychs for decades.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22150471 - 08/27/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Drugs can act as an epigenetic trigger and precipitate latent mental illness.  I had a childhood friend permanently lose his shit from smoking weed.  True story.  I've also seen people have schizophrenia triggered by methamphetamines and LSD.  Bottom line is, tripping is only for people with sound minds that are not at risk for developing schizophrenia.   

And as for 'who is Syd Barrett?' I seriously hope that was just an attempt at trolling. 
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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22150514 - 08/27/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think Syd Barrett is a great example of not coming back from a trip.

There's a Youtube of one of the other Floyd members talking sadly about Syd's condition,
mentions a group of people Syd was hanging with.
He reckons it was mandrake which probably did it, that a lot of people suffered long-lasting/permanent effects from that, and it was associated with a particular bunch of people who were experimenting with this particularly dumb substance.

I think this question is more about permanent receptor binding
and whether brain cells die and get replaced
and whether the brain can or will re-route connections around drug-damaged areas…

….for people without underlying mental conditions.


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Nun]
    #22150574 - 08/27/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Most normal drugs do not permanently bind receptors.  A while back some bunk heroin went out that fried everybody that took its dopamine receptors and they all got instant Parkinson's disease

Traditional psychedelics won't do anything like that.  They can encourage growth of neurons and form new pathways that lead to a different perception, thus putting you in a more trippy mindset and perhaps giving you some snow etc. (HPPD) and the newer RCs seem to be more of a danger for that, but HPPD is not what most people would consider "never coming back," just a slight inconvenience.

An overdose on NBOMes might lead to brain damage from vasoconstriction and leave you permafried, and overuse of empathogens can lead to some brain damage and loss of IQ, but again those aren't insanity, just retardation. 

The people who "never come back" from psychs are those who were already teetering on the brink of sanity and the drugs merely provide a little push to set them off completely, they may have eventually still lost their minds and the drugs just made it happen earlier, or they might have been able to maintain for the rest of their lives had they abstained. 

It's unfortunate that such wonderful, relatively harmless drugs can have such a devastating effect on a small percentage of users, but keeping it in context and looking at the facts can help avoid the general hysteria so many have surrounding the use of psychedelics.  Everybody knows somebody that "never came back."
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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22159315 - 08/29/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Who is Sid Barrett? And what does him gardening and gong to the super market have to do with not coming back from a trip?... Was he that guy who invented xtc and lived in someone's basement?




WHO IS  SYD BARRETT?  :whyyy:  :aweshit:  :badmanthisfeels:  :obamafrown:  :goodburger:  :pedobearhide:  :meltdown:  :doge:  :sonofawebitch:  :charliecoke:  :awenuhuh:  :awelol:  :mmmkay:  :uh:  :omfg:  :zomgwtf:  :nosiridontlikeit:  :dudewtf:  :ltdan:  :hamletmonkey:  :carl:  :randy:  :aliceshocker:  :cerveau:



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Drugs can act as an epigenetic trigger and precipitate latent mental illness.  I had a childhood friend permanently lose his shit from smoking weed.  True story.  I've also seen people have schizophrenia triggered by methamphetamines and LSD.  Bottom line is, tripping is only for people with sound minds that are not at risk for developing schizophrenia.   

And as for 'who is Syd Barrett?' I seriously hope that was just an attempt at trolling. 
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Ok no I was not trolling lol. Not too into pink floyd believe it or not (do not have a go at me!!!) but at least you educated me as to who he is, so be proud!
Also my bf loves pink floyd so don't kno why I don't know!
Please forgive me haha!


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: Ghost_in_shell]
    #22160046 - 08/29/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You don't have to like certain musicians, but you gotta at least know who they are.  We were all young once, though.  :lol:

I know it's sacrilege to some but I personally think that while Barrett is important to the creation of the band and remains a part of its essence even in his absence, Pink Floyd got better when he left.  His loss proved the catalyst that infused Water's later writing with more pathos and without the addition Gilmour's blues drenched guitar and prog-rock mentality they would have just been another minor example of late 60's pychedelic pop. :shrug:


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Re: People who have never come back from trips? [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22160255 - 08/29/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Who is Sid Barrett? And what does him gardening and gong to the super market have to do with not coming back from a trip?... Was he that guy who invented xtc and lived in someone's basement?




WHO IS  SYD BARRETT?  :whyyy:  :aweshit:  :badmanthisfeels:  :obamafrown:  :goodburger:  :pedobearhide:  :meltdown:  :doge:  :sonofawebitch:  :charliecoke:  :awenuhuh:  :awelol:  :mmmkay:  :uh:  :omfg:  :zomgwtf:  :nosiridontlikeit:  :dudewtf:  :ltdan:  :hamletmonkey:  :carl:  :randy:  :aliceshocker:  :cerveau:






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