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Need Advice, unique situation.
#22130065 - 08/23/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello there guys, Pretty new to the forum and mycology research. Anyway here is my question. I want to grow some shrooms but I work in a job where I move every 4-6 weeks. That means I need a portable tech which can stand a car environment for 1-3 days. Is this possible? If a get a incubator and start my spores in a liquid culture could this work? Here's what I'm thinking of getting. Ultimate Mushroom Growing & Incubator kit, on this page http://midwestgrowkits.com/grow-kits.html . Need some advice guys what spores would work well for a quick grow and is this plan feasible?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22130093 - 08/23/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You want to drive around with a mushroom lab?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Morel Guy]
#22130126 - 08/23/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: You want to drive around with a mushroom lab?
I'm not sure, it seems from my research that 4 weeks total is a bit optimistic from spores to fully grown shrooms. Like I said this is a unique situation but for financial reasons this job is too good to lose. Do you have any suggestions? And no I was planing to drive with the shrooms in a dark box or the like not with the whole grow system still set up.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22130166 - 08/23/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you dont wanna buy a kit man, no matter how much they brag about their beautiful grow bags and stuff.
look into sclerotia formers, just inoculate a jar and let sit for 6 months.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22130176 - 08/23/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd say research sclerotia. they take longer to mature (6 months or so) but grow inside of a glass jar so you don't have to worry about transporting the fruiting cambers about
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: keeno]
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keeno said: I'd say research sclerotia. they take longer to mature (6 months or so) but grow inside of a glass jar so you don't have to worry about transporting the fruiting cambers about
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keeno said: I'd say research sclerotia. they take longer to mature (6 months or so) but grow inside of a glass jar so you don't have to worry about transporting the fruiting cambers about
every 3-4 months I go outside of the usa for a few weeks, so I'm not too sure about this 6 month grow? is there no way to get full shrooms in 4-6 weeks even with optimal equipment?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22130204 - 08/23/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The usual consensus is that grow kits suck, so don't bother with one of those.
I think since you're new that sticking with old skool BRF cakes could be best, just need to time it right and you can travel with cakes that are mostly colonized, or better yet, fully colonized, and they're pretty indestructible at that point. You can carry them in a cooler if you are travelling in warm climes and they'll be ready to pop out into your prepared SGFC.
This is all assuming that you will be able to grow them at your destination and give them what they need there.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Ilyana]
#22130251 - 08/23/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inoculate some grain spawn 2 weeks before you move. Then when you get to your new location you can spawn to a mono right away. 4 weeks should be plenty of time for a tub to colonise and push out at least one flush.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: MudaFuka]
#22130258 - 08/23/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wtf kinda work do you do?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: MudaFuka]
#22130268 - 08/23/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Inoculate some grain spawn 2 weeks before you move. Then when you get to your new location you can spawn to a mono right away. 4 weeks should be plenty of time for a tub to colonise and push out at least one flush.
This was basically my plan. Since I'm new forgive me but are you talking about one of those spawn bags or a glass sterilized container with growth media?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22130270 - 08/23/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Inoculate some grain spawn 2 weeks before you move. Then when you get to your new location you can spawn to a mono right away. 4 weeks should be plenty of time for a tub to colonise and push out at least one flush.
This was basically my plan. Since I'm new forgive me but are you talking about one of those spawn bags or a glass sterilized container with growth media?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22130292 - 08/23/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What are you trying to accomplish with all this yield wise? if you want enough to just trip a few times look into invitro pp5's they are plastic so they should travel well easy,discreet ifyour looking for a few ounces then listen to muda and look into grains and spawn a monotub heres a few links franks 12 steps to shrooms http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837/fpart/1 and heres a link to the invitro pp5's http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984 keep in mind you will need a pressure cooker to do grains if that's the route you choose
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22130325 - 08/23/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Avatar5 said: I'm not too sure about this 6 month grow? is there no way to get full shrooms in 4-6 weeks even with optimal equipment?
A guy was recently taking sclerotia after only maybe a month. I think his jar was contaminated so he harvested early. He took more than usual presuming they would be weak, but he got a proper dose.
So you do not have to wait 6month, some harvest after 3 or 4. At 6 they should be definitely grown out. Harvesting after 4-6weeks is certainly not optimal as you would have got a lot more if you waited, but if you are really stuck its OK, grains are cheap.
If you are going out of town you do not need to worry about scerlotia jars. There is pretty much zero maintenance on them.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: blackout]
#22130466 - 08/23/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I harvested my first stone grow after about 3 months. They were plenty potent and much nicer to trip on than cubes.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: MudaFuka]
#22130476 - 08/23/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think OP is confused, OP talks of cubensis (I think) while we recommend sclerotia.
if you give the mushrooms a time limit they dont wanna play along IME, if you just let them do their thing in peace and quiet they'll be very happy.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: spacechildo]
#22130520 - 08/23/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: I think OP is confused, OP talks of cubensis (I think) while we recommend sclerotia.
if you give the mushrooms a time limit they dont wanna play along IME, if you just let them do their thing in peace and quiet they'll be very happy.
Yeah talking about cubensis only guys. Just ordered spores from one of the board sponsors. Escondido strain because used to live there long time ago and I thought why not for the irony.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22130556 - 08/23/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: tetherface]
#22130594 - 08/23/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tetherface said: What are you trying to accomplish with all this yield wise? if you want enough to just trip a few times look into invitro pp5's they are plastic so they should travel well easy,discreet ifyour looking for a few ounces then listen to muda and look into grains and spawn a monotub heres a few links franks 12 steps to shrooms http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837/fpart/1 and heres a link to the invitro pp5's http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984 keep in mind you will need a pressure cooker to do grains if that's the route you choose
Flow Frank's 12 steps. This is a very simple tek. Just time it right and you should be fine.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
#22130628 - 08/23/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have to take pics along the way, don't want to disappoint you:):)
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: tetherface]
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tetherface said: What are you trying to accomplish with all this yield wise? if you want enough to just trip a few times look into invitro pp5's they are plastic so they should travel well easy,discreet ifyour looking for a few ounces then listen to muda and look into grains and spawn a monotub heres a few links franks 12 steps to shrooms http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837/fpart/1 and heres a link to the invitro pp5's http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984 keep in mind you will need a pressure cooker to do grains if that's the route you choose
Thank you man in vitro pp5 looks outstanding, I can hide the plastic in between some blankets in my car and I should be gtg. Now to get some substrate and cleanse my jars while my spores come in. I will go ahead and boil them but does anyone know why 90 percent isopropyl alcohol isn't used instead? Also is it easy to get this brown rice flour or will I have to buy it online in your opinion?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22133913 - 08/24/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hey guys assembling my supplies now. I have a question about pp5 invitro tech. I know it may sound stupid but are the jars sterilized filled with the verm and the brown rice flour or is that added after? I've already got organic BRF and going to go looking for the quart containers and verm today. Wish me luck!
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22133916 - 08/24/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You add the substrate then sterilize the jars. The jars are only there to keep the sterile substrate from becoming contaminated, so gotta get the substrate in first.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
#22133926 - 08/24/15 04:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You add the substrate then sterilize the jars. The jars are only there to keep the sterile substrate from becoming contaminated, so gotta get the substrate in first.
makes sense this is what I thought but I never seen it said explicitly. Thanks for the uber quick response and loving the KH based sig.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22133950 - 08/24/15 05:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mind giving us a rundown of your general plans?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
#22133982 - 08/24/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mind giving us a rundown of your general plans?
Basically I going to follow pp5 invitro's tech as close as I can. My spores should be here in a few days so just going to work on getting the verm and making and sterilizing my substrate. I'm going to make 4-5 "jars" and let them sit for 2-3 weeks for full colonization. After I moved on around the 20th next month if I'm at 100 percent then give them just a tad of air and let them grow fruit:) As for the move just thinking of getting a cooler and a warm blanket/icepacks so I can control temps. Since in this tech I don't have to ever move the shrooms from their starting container I'm hoping I'll be fine. If i'm successful get a scale and dry them out for study. Going to start studying at one dry gram. Swim remembers jumping in his teens to a full batch of ayahusca with no prior drug experience. The terror was unbelievable.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22134012 - 08/24/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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-Gonna need a link on what you're following. The description doesn't tell me much about the procedure itself. Just wanna make sure it's a well balanced tek. -Swim doesn't work, and nobody here does it. There are way bigger fish to fry and that never holds up in court anyway. We all talk about pounds of fruits and nobody bats an eye. Just don't mention doing anything shady with your mushrooms and you'll be fine. -The only terror is that which is born of yourself.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
#22134036 - 08/24/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's the link: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984 A previous poster suggested it. Sorry back in 06/07 or whenever it was if you didn't use swim mods would freak out in a lot of forums. I think a big problem back then is I didn't start low and DMT is pretty strong for someone who never did anything before. It really helped me mentally in a tough phase in my life but it was pretty scary at the time.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22134041 - 08/24/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ahh Violet's tek. I uh.. have no advice regarding that. Good luck though, it might be what ends up working out best for you.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
#22134053 - 08/24/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Ahh Violet's tek. I uh.. have no advice regarding that. Good luck though, it might be what ends up working out best for you.
you seem doubtful. Hope you stick though the grow to see how things go. plan on posting some pics if I get a chance.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22134127 - 08/24/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not doubtful, I'm sure it works, I just have no experience with it so I can't say anything about it without sounding like a dick, so I won't out of respect.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
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Avatar5 said: Here's the link: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984 A previous poster suggested it. Sorry back in 06/07 or whenever it was if you didn't use swim mods would freak out in a lot of forums. I think a big problem back then is I didn't start low and DMT is pretty strong for someone who never did anything before. It really helped me mentally in a tough phase in my life but it was pretty scary at the time.
I recommended that to him seems like a good choice for someone that moves around I can give you some advice along the way if you need it I just harvested a few of these as far as yields go its been the same as PF from what I can remember heres a few pics of the pp5 I harvested yesterday     just follow the tek exactly as written and you shouldn't have any problems its stupid easy
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: tetherface]
#22134905 - 08/24/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man I see absolutely no reason this won't work, my main concern would be the legal side. Nothing a cop loves more than a good shake down, especially if you'll be on the road a lot and what he/she may or may not see through your windows.
Good luck though would love if you chucked photos up eventually.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: motherchimp]
#22134982 - 08/24/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cars get damned hot, and tether altho its a nice pull they are starving for FAE!
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: spacechildo]
#22135006 - 08/24/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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they sure are... and you totally called it in the first place but due to the constraints of the tek I don't see how to fix it? unless you put a bunch of holes in it shotgun style thus ruining it for further uses but all in all I think it will get this kid what he wants or at least until he gets to stay in one place long enough to run a mono
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
#22135033 - 08/24/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Subscribing to thread to see mobile mushroom lab in a few weeks/months.
ahhhh hhaaa ha ha ha haaaaa. i really have 2 wonder about some people .why is no one giving this guy the proper advice . which is . srry bro ur asking for more trouble than u can handle. hold off on the clandestine type operations until u got the adequate time and place 2 give them the attention and respect that an op like mushroom growing deserves. if u wanna trip . i know a few guys that can probly score u a satchel
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I've moved entire bulk grows from one house to another because of the fires in eastern washington last year and the year before.
35 days is enough to fruit an entire PF grow and certainly long enough to colonize jars that you can spawn in your next relocation.
So if you do PF TEK, I would. I would just go for it in one shot.
If you're going to spawn grain jars into a bulk substrate I would get the jars colonized and then spawn / pasteurize your substrate after the next move.
But basically, a grow can be moved in a car anytime.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: tetherface]
#22135106 - 08/24/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tetherface said: they sure are... and you totally called it in the first place but due to the constraints of the tek I don't see how to fix it? unless you put a bunch of holes in it shotgun style thus ruining it for further uses but all in all I think it will get this kid what he wants or at least until he gets to stay in one place long enough to run a mono
take the lid off and put them in a mono style tub? look at how pasty and muda amongst others do mudabottles. or just crack the lid open so it doesnt cover the entire opening of the jar. mushrooms need fresh air and they wont get enough through the threads of a lid 
elastic; I think he wants to grow in his car.. if I'm not mistaken. But I agree he could time it so he can fruit while he's home and have jars colonizing while he's gone!
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: spacechildo]
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oh yeah theres no doubt it can b done but if we are asking how just how wise it is to b drivin around with the shit in ur car alll the time well . i think we all know and agree surmisation
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no, i'm saying fuck having stuff in the car, grow at home.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: spacechildo]
#22135257 - 08/24/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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its an iffy situation at best but as long as he keeps it in his hotel room or wherever he stays and tries to cut down driving with it to an absolute minimum hell probably succeed either way its the OP's choice i'm sure he knows what he's up against law wise if not he better google some laws for the state he's in or going to be in, just gotta be ok with the consequences cause shit does happen
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: tetherface]
#22135310 - 08/24/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I still think sclerotia is a no brainer. No misting or decent FAE needed. No multiple harvesting and checking maturity at 12 or 24hr intervals. Very little worries at all.
Though possibly beneficial, no light is even needed. If they fall over or get rattled about there will be little or no disruption. They look innocuous and could be further disguised with a little thought.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: blackout]
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Inocuole said: Subscribing to thread to see mobile mushroom lab in a few weeks/months.
ahhhh hhaaa ha ha ha haaaaa. i really have 2 wonder about some people .why is no one giving this guy the proper advice . which is . srry bro ur asking for more trouble than u can handle. hold off on the clandestine type operations until u got the adequate time and place 2 give them the attention and respect that an op like mushroom growing deserves. if u wanna trip . i know a few guys that can probly score u a satchel
I am just not liking any of your posts today.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
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Hey guys, I work nights so I went to bed and by the time I woke up the thread had blown up! First I want to say thank you, all of your experience will be so so helpful and I'm just glad your all here because I am pretty nervous for my first grow. To clear things up, I only want to transport the shrooms not grow them in a car. Until November I'll probably be driving around 300 miles and 1-2 days max. So just wanted to clear that up. I got all of my supplies this morning sans spores and will be uploading pics and the like as I can. I'm certainly not saying that my profession or current life is perfect, but I think I can give our little friends some love and attention or I wouldn't be here. Another thing I want to clear up is this isn't about just pumping out a few grams for a quick trip. This is a journey for me that will hopefully help me progress though my life. Over the last few months I've been trying to change some things in my life that I don't like such as my diet. It horrible to realize how poisonous most food is in the usa. What's worst is to realize maybe you eat often to deal with emotional issues or stress you might be feeling that day. So anyway back on point guys I hope you enjoy this journey as much as I do and again thank you all for being on board.
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Just recieved my spores today. Got my setup ready all heat sterz. done. was about to inoculate and got cold feet. I seriously don't want to get in major troble over this. Trying to look at laws of my state, (iowa) I can't see what the cutoffs are for this to become a major thing. I'm really conflicted on what I should do. Any advice from people like me?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: cronicr]
#22158886 - 08/28/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's a major thing. You will probably get in some serious trouble if you get caught.
That said, do it.
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Just inoculated guys, god I'm scared and excited. Let's hope things go good. Split 10 cc's in 4 containers. No SAB howerver best I did was a still room. Here's the start of the log I guess,
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just dont tell anyone. that way no one will know.and there'll be no reason for anyone to come check what you're doing.
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I won't, I live alone and don't plan on telling anyone.
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For real man loose lips sink ships
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Don't Tell anyone. Don't take pictures. Sign up for a cheap VPN To connect to shroomery through. Don't give them to your regular weed dealer. Try to stick with people you have no affiliation with, preferably in another county. It will probably take you a year or two to meet someone not suspect and not associated with you directly.
Don't plan on getting rich selling cubensis. It never works out like you think it's going to and no one ever wants to pay what you want for the quantity you want to sell.
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elasticaltiger said: Don't Tell anyone. Don't take pictures. Sign up for a cheap VPN To connect to shroomery through. Don't give them to your regular weed dealer. Try to stick with people you have no affiliation with, preferably in another county. It will probably take you a year or two to meet someone not suspect and not associated with you directly.
Don't plan on getting rich selling cubensis. It never works out like you think it's going to and no one ever wants to pay what you want for the quantity you want to sell.
-Do take pictures, we want to help -Most people here don't use a VPN, and it wouldn't matter anyway since you've already connected without one, nothing to hide anymore. -Good luck finding someone in a different country -Why are you looking so hard for someone to give mushrooms to if you're not selling them? What kind of advice is this? -In light of the most recent bullet point, don't talk about selling here because it's highly frowned upon.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22162008 - 08/29/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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An invitro or small combination container/miniFC would be ideal for someone moving a lot who wants a small, discrete setup. Use PF substrate. I really like pint plastic containers screwtops, and have grown 1cup PF subs in them invitro without issue. Check dollartree.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984 or http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21997518
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
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elasticaltiger said: Don't Tell anyone. Don't take pictures. Sign up for a cheap VPN To connect to shroomery through. Don't give them to your regular weed dealer. Try to stick with people you have no affiliation with, preferably in another county. It will probably take you a year or two to meet someone not suspect and not associated with you directly.
Don't plan on getting rich selling cubensis. It never works out like you think it's going to and no one ever wants to pay what you want for the quantity you want to sell.
-Do take pictures, we want to help -Most people here don't use a VPN, and it wouldn't matter anyway since you've already connected without one, nothing to hide anymore. -Good luck finding someone in a different country -Why are you looking so hard for someone to give mushrooms to if you're not selling them? What kind of advice is this? -In light of the most recent bullet point, don't talk about selling here because it's highly frowned upon.
* That should be 'Don't Show off pictures to your friends by sending them through text messages and email' Sorry if that was confusing. * If you're posting pictures of grows in your home you should be using a VPN if there are identifying features of your place in the pictures. * Reread that, I wrote different COUNTY. You don't have any friends 20 miles away in a different city / county? * You don't need to look hard, you just need to wait and be patient. * I'm pretty sure I said 'Don't plan on getting rich selling cubensis' which is pretty much me saying there is no benefit to selling cubensis mushrooms. Not really making the argument for selling there.
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Well then.

Glad we clarified that.
But it did need clarifying, so I thank you.
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As long as he doesn't need help later, and come asking for it, but refusing to post pictures, I'm all good with it.
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Don't plan on getting rich selling cubensis. It never works out like you think it's going to and no one ever wants to pay what you want for the quantity you want to sell.
I think you totally misunderstood. I never have and never will sell these to anyone under any circumstances.
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Don't plan on getting rich selling cubensis. It never works out like you think it's going to and no one ever wants to pay what you want for the quantity you want to sell.
I think you totally misunderstood. I never have and never will sell these to anyone under any circumstances.
I plan on posting pics actually already took some of my prep work. Just can't figure out how to attach photos here from a local source do you have to upload them to a website first Then give the link? Main thing I will need when this is done is a sitter I remember ayahuasca without and I feel that was a mistake. Hopefully someone from the forum will be able to talk to me via voip. I don't trust anyone in the town I'm in and feel telling anyone around here would be foolish. Also if the grow is successful I worry about dosage. I weight about 230 pounds. Do you guys think 2 grams dry is good to start with?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
#22162716 - 08/29/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/upload.php
While you're there you'll probably notice Pics at the top of the page under your name. You'll figure it out from there I imagine. You should be using the Threads button up there anyway to track your topics.
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#22163088 - 08/30/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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http:/ Here's some pics of the prep.
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Nice. So you're doing a steam sterilization then?
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Yes already did. Did 2 Batches since all 4 containers wouldn't fit.about 80 mins a piece in boiling water. I got a 10 ml syringe so put 2.5 ml of p.cubensis "Escondido" into each trying to aim for the 4 corners so I could see growth.
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You used a still air box for that right?
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Nope:( one part that I'm ashamed of. I used a closet where there was the least air movement possible but no sab. I took a shower and have fresh clothes and washed my hands well but I expect to lose 1-2 at least to contamination. The worst part is every night at work I have a fume hood but taking these in to work would be crazy.
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If you only lost 1 or 2 from doing that, it'd be a miracle. Sorry but... you might wanna get something else started rather than trust in those. If shame were the worst to come of it that'd be fine but nobody likes wasting time. 
The proper still air box design and procedure is absolutely necessary for inoculating containers like those, at least without a SHIP.
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It's no problem I've got plenty of substrate left. I can just empty them out and start again if things go bad. How long appoximately will the mycelium take to be noticeable? I can order more spores and see of I get lucky with these.
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here's hoping I get at least one that comes though. Has anyone else done it this way and been successful?
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my first grow was pf tek inoculated in my moms kitchen via ms syringe and it worked but its not a good habit to get into
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tetherface said: my first grow was pf tek inoculated in my moms kitchen via ms syringe and it worked but its not a good habit to get into
I'm a scientist and so I really prefer to do things in a sterile and controlled manner however if the spores really couldn't compete with several air spores of other species how would they compete in nature? This intrigues me. Glad to know there is some hope.
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tetherface said: my first grow was pf tek inoculated in my moms kitchen via ms syringe and it worked but its not a good habit to get into
I'm a scientist and so I really prefer to do things in a sterile and controlled manner however if the spores really couldn't compete with several air spores of other species how would they compete in nature? This intrigues me. Glad to know there is some hope.
they don't compete in nature, they take what they can get which is why our results indoors are so much better, a wild fruit is full of contams
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I'm a scientist and so I really prefer to do things in a sterile and controlled manner however if the spores really couldn't compete with several air spores of other species how would they compete in nature? This intrigues me. Glad to know there is some hope.
Because you're not expecting them to race other contams on free, sterilized, extremely nutritious food.
Nothing outside is ever sterilized and they have to have formed somewhat of a decent sized colony in order to not be in constant threat of getting wiped out.
Doing PF tek, in the classic sense, in open air, can actually be done, but not if you cracked the lid and injected that way. Violet's tek requires the SAB, assuming that's what that is.
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I'm a scientist and so I really prefer to do things in a sterile and controlled manner however if the spores really couldn't compete with several air spores of other species how would they compete in nature? This intrigues me. Glad to know there is some hope.
Because you're not expecting them to race other contams on free, sterilized, extremely nutritious food.
Nothing outside is ever sterilized and they have to have formed somewhat of a decent sized colony in order to not be in constant threat of getting wiped out.
Doing PF tek, in the classic sense, in open air, can actually be done, but not if you cracked the lid and injected that way. Violet's tek requires the SAB, assuming that's what that is.
"For very beginners, a short squirt from a clean spore syringe can be squirted by lifting the edge of the lid and squirting spores in thru the gap. This is best done in a still-air box, but has a good chance of success in any still-air condition away from carpets and rugs, or immediately after (even during) a rain outside." Here's a piece of his tek where he talks about this. Don't be fooled I've worked with a fume hood and agar for my job daily,I understand there was some inherent risk in even a few seconds of air. Blood and other very potent agars I've noticed have about 25%-50% chance of development of containmention from the same air exposure. Although not exactly the same I think perhaps some basic premise may be applied here. Perhaps I am over hopeful and will have to try again.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
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We use laminar flow hoods, not fume hoods.....
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Under the wiki for fume hoods..."A general but non-specific term for some of these local ventilation devices is Laminar flow cabinet."
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PussyFart said: We use laminar flow hoods, not fume hoods.....
Under the wiki for fume hoods..."A general but non-specific term for some of these local ventilation devices is Laminar flow cabinet."
First off, wiki sucks....
Secondly, that is wrong.....a laminar flow hood pushes out a sterile air flow across what you are working on....
A fume hood is made to suck up fumes, which means dirty air is being sucked right past what u are working on to get to the filter....
Now that U know the "exact specific" term/definition, instead of a "general but non-specific" term for both, you can come to your own conclusion on which one is best suited for this hobby.
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ya, fume hood a no no. u can have vertical and horizontal hoods though. one blows at you, the other blows down on ur work from above.
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Under the wiki for fume hoods..."A general but non-specific term for some of these local ventilation devices is Laminar flow cabinet."
First off, wiki sucks....
Secondly, that is wrong.....a laminar flow hood pushes out a sterile air flow across what you are working on....
A fume hood is made to suck up fumes, which means dirty air is being sucked right past what u are working on to get to the filter....
Now that U know the "exact specific" term/definition, instead of a "general but non-specific" term for both, you can come to your own conclusion on which one is best suited for this hobby.
I understand what your saying. What I'm trying to articulate is this paticular device is used to insure sterile conditions for subculturing on agar. It is sterilized both chemically with alcohol everyday as well as with a uv blacklight for 1 hour. It has air filtration as well as a negative pressure environment therefore any free spores would simply be sucked away from your workspace. Unless you are working in a biochemistry lab or at the cdc or have a budget of over 100,000 dollars I think it's better then what 99% of private homes would have.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
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soooo…when u do work, do u feel a breeze blowing out from the HEPA, or do u feel shit sucking in? its really different dude. u would need a HEPA filtered room to use what ur suggesting, but even then, it makes more sense to blow out, not suck in.
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Then u either are using the wrong term, u are using the wrong kind of machine.....
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I have a 99-100% success rate using a $30 SAB....define "better"....you could have done the same thing with the same success rate(if not better) with a LFH, and not a fume hood.....
If I had a LFH my success rate would be the same....maybe a few less contaminated dishes, but when I get a contaminated plate it's usually from laziness in my sterile technique anyways....
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Avatar5 said: I understand what your saying. What I'm trying to articulate is this paticular device is used to insure sterile conditions for subculturing on agar. I
Then u either are using the wrong term, u are using the wrong kind of machine.....
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I have a 99-100% success rate using a $30 SAB....define "better"....you could have done the same thing with the same success rate(if not better) with a LFH, and not a fume hood.....
If I had a LFH my success rate would be the same....maybe a few less contaminated dishes, but when I get a contaminated plate it's usually from laziness in my sterile technique anyways....
It's all a mute point I didn't use this anyway. Lol I don't know what the whole discussion was even about.In reality I suppose Im just questioning the true effectiveness of a 30 dollar sab, I have a strong feeling a quick inoculation in virtually any room without much airflow will have the same chance of success. However I could easily be wrong...
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It was about this....the thing that u said u used every day, and then that u didn't.... 
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I do everything in my SAB, and I do not use syringes...I pour plates, clone, do G2G transfers, and all other sterile work in it....it has never failed me.
If the air is still, contams can't blow on to your work.....now do 10 g2g transfers in open air, and 10 in a SAB, and you will easily tell it's effectiveness....
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: PussyFart]
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open air is risky at best. u can fuck with ports and shit. but ports can fail over time and in full. best to stick with what mushroom growers have used forever….good sterile technique, be it a hood or SAB. even McKenna's MMGG requires an SAB, and that shit is older than stamets teenage cum rags
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: PussyFart]
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It was about this....the thing that u said u used every day, and then that u didn't.... 
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I do everything in my SAB, and I do not use syringes...I pour plates, clone, do G2G transfers, and all other sterile work in it....it has never failed me.
If the air is still, contams can't blow on to your work.....now do 10 g2g transfers in open air, and 10 in a SAB, and you will easily tell it's effectiveness....
I'm not saying that it's not effective I'm just questioning how effective Given the crude methods employed. The reason I didn't use the hood is because it's at my workplace. Again I feel this is simply much too risky. The strange thing is I'm getting all of this negative feedback over what I admitted was a terrible part of the tek. However if you read the tek it clearly states that there is a "good" chance of success either way. Let's just assume good is 50 percent. Now with 4 jars that's fairly decent that at least one will grow. Again this is my very first time ever doing this if it fails the only one to blame is myself. However I've still had fun either way and I can always try again.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: blindingleaf]
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The SAB is a lot more useful than just being in a closet. Using proper procedure you would be spraying the walls of the SAB with water, soapy or plain, putting all your stuff inside, and then waiting at least 30 minutes with all sources of moving air shut off for all the air to become still enough that everything will stick to the water droplets and a large amount of the air in the box will be more or less sterile, as well as still.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771
I highly recommend this design and size in particular.
I made mine a little weird by adding some extra arm-shield to it with ducting, but it's otherwise the same.

I do use the towel as well, I just snapped that right after I finished it up. It's worked pretty damn well for about a year. Any failures can be attributed to me rushing or putting my hands over my work.
We're talking stuff that's open for about 3-4 seconds at a time, with no contams, it's reliable.
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u should have fun. u should always try again.
but the important point here is to understand the difference, and how it applies to what we do as mushroom growers. taking ambient air, jamming into a smallish box to with exhaust (the HEPA with high SP) LESS than incoming blower power, is a positive pressure box, not negative pressure. this positive pressure, is then forced out (evenly if u build hood correctly) thru HEPA filter, blowing towards u, preferably at at least 150FPM per minute. anything on ur shit is blown towards u, the rest of the room is (for all intents and purposes with a good hood) irrelevant. good. if it was opposite, anything weird behind u can be sucked into ur area. u don't want that.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
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I wait like 2 minutes...it doesnt take that long for the air in the box to settle.....
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
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Inocuole said: The SAB is a lot more useful than just being in a closet. Using proper procedure you would be spraying the walls of the SAB with water, soapy or plain, putting all your stuff inside, and then waiting at least 30 minutes with all sources of moving air shut off for all the air to become still enough that everything will stick to the water droplets and a large amount of the air in the box will be more or less sterile, as well as still.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771
I highly recommend this design and size in particular.
I made mine a little weird by adding some extra arm-shield to it with ducting, but it's otherwise the same.

I do use the towel as well, I just snapped that right after I finished it up. It's worked pretty damn well for about a year. Any failures can be attributed to me rushing or putting my hands over my work.
We're talking stuff that's open for about 3-4 seconds at a time, with no contams, it's reliable.
I have no doubt it is. I'm actually almost in tears laughing at this whole situation. everyone here seems really nice and quiet bright but this defense of a plastic box with holes cut into it is almost too much. think right how big is a spore? Maybe 1-10 micrometers? So when you insert yours hands into this contraption is ther no space between yours hands and the box? Did you not just push air into it by inserting your hands? it's my opinion your real protection Is not the box but the 3-4 secs. Let's say for instance in that time 1-10 spores from the ambient air float in. So one container gets 1, one gets 7, one gets 4, one gets 10. Now how many spores from this spore syringe are there? Probably tens or hundreds of thousands. So the chances seem decent to me at least one container will be ok provided the media and spores were gtg.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Avatar5]
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ur concern is valid, but the results are not congruent with that concern.
we can talk science all day. results matter more though.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: blindingleaf]
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It works for 99% of the people that use it properly.....thats the real science....
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: PussyFart]
#22166923 - 08/30/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i agree. im saying what some people fear as far as SAB's go makes sense. but then, when u use one correctly, those concerns go out the window.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: blindingleaf]
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I was agreeing with you lol.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: PussyFart]
#22166957 - 08/30/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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aye chihuhua!! i've read wrong
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If you think you're better than a plastic box with holes in it, there's the real problem.
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#22167013 - 08/30/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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all u need is a plastic tote. seriously. spores + plastic tote = retire early. u can buy some more stuff and retire earlier, but i digress….
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
#22167019 - 08/30/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mine is just a cheap ass 56qt sterilite. I drilled a bunch of small holes in a circle for the arms, then cut it out with a sharp boning knife at an extreme angle. Accomplished a lot with that POS.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
#22167023 - 08/30/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think I'm better than a plastic box. I think open Air is definitely worse. But by how much? That's the point I am trying to make. I'm excited to see what happens, either way I think I'm upsetting people by talking bad about the SAB. Either way hope you guys are in for the ride.
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#22167031 - 08/30/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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do what u want man, do what works for you. but…we grow booms indoors. sterile technique can get u far. its easier to have sterile technique in SAB, ESPECIALLY g2g.
if open air works for you, ok cool. i will wonder how it works for u in 5 years. and if it still works, i will wonder what kind of set up u run, and how often u run it.
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It's not like we're all broke lazy assholes who are using a plastic box because we have to, it's really the only way to do certain types of work. By what margin is it better than open air? If tagyo is in here maybe he'll bust out his open air agar pics. It's an infinitely better scenario.
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Inocuole said: It's not like we're all broke lazy assholes who are using a plastic box because we have to, it's really the only way to do certain types of work. By what margin is it better than open air? If tagyo is in here maybe he'll bust out his open air agar pics. It's an infinitely better scenario.
I guess I better just hope then and expect faliure. Excited to post pics soon as anything grows. 2 days in and counting........
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Hey guys. Small update. One or two of the jars now have a very fine white film look to the outer edges. One especially. I'm not sure yet if this is just broken down brown rice flower but I think not. No signs of contaminated jars yet. Again this look is pure white but it's very faint. Hopefully in a few days it'll be enough for pics. I have my jars at 70 degrees in a semi dark room is this ok?
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mycelium benefits from indirect light at all stages of growth. no need to keep it semi-dark
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Hey guys, a little bit of an update. all jars between 50 and 75% colonization. will have to post some pics up.All and all things have gone really well I gotta pack up and move in about a week and at this rate I'd say 2 weeks or so til 100 percent. I don't want to open the jars fearing contamination might occur. But from looking on the outside the top is starting to become covered and the sides are almost completely covered. I do need some advice though a source I've used for other things in the past gifted me 2 grams cracker dry shrooms. Literally it was the weirdest thing I was looking for other products and he sent them to me free saying it was his part in bettering the world. I'm conflicted on what to do now should I wait for my shrooms or try these. I'll have to post pics tommorow guys and get your feedback on if they look ok. I feel skeptical but this guy has a great rep on grams so I'm not sure what to do?
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A great rep on grams. That's quite a rep to have. Don't get many people asking what to do with dried mushrooms. Eat them or don't? They could be good, the ones you're growing could be better, no way to know. Do you.. not want the mushrooms?
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: Inocuole]
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Did dude just say he bought mushrooms cause his were taking too long?
That's what I got out of it lol
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ok decided to go for it coming up tonight. Going to not eat after bk and fast until dinner then down them. should i eat the whole 2 grams? Thinking of doing lemon tek because of the supposed shorter wait time til coming up. And by the way I didn't get fed up and just bought them seriously I shit you not they were sent to me for free. anyway got to post up some pics of my jars but this works out pretty well because I don't have work for 5 days so I can not worry about that. if anyone will be on tonight send me a skype or teamspeak ect in pm. I'm kinda scared tipping alone but having a trip sitter isn't really an option with my work.
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#22249798 - 09/17/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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With such a small amount. I would Lemmon tek them. Don't be nervous about tripping alone. You are taking a low dose. I have never had a trip sitter on any of my hundreds of trips. Shrooms can't hurt you unless you let them.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: MudaFuka]
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lemon tek it is. pretty nervous......wish me luck.
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Re: Need Advice, unique situation. [Re: cronicr]
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Being nervous is setting yourself up for more being nervous. Just get over it now so you don't have to flip out on mushrooms. It's totally weird but you'll be fine, just be careful about leaving the house.
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