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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22148146 - 08/26/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I figured you'd be unable to man up.

Thanks for not disappointing.


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That, dumb ass, is an extremely conservative proposal.




:laugh2: true to form, but no surprise. After all, it's all you've got.

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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22148167 - 08/26/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
I figured you'd be unable to man up.

Thanks for not disappointing.


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That, dumb ass, is an extremely conservative proposal.




:laugh2: true to form, but no surprise. After all, it's all you've got.

:lolsy:




True to your form, you ignore that all other 5 points include big tax cuts and a teethy way to reduce corporate, union, church and non profit influence on politics that will help reduce spending, reduce giveaways to special interests and enable politicians to work in the public's best interest..  You lack intellectual integrity and are a comical debater.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22148345 - 08/26/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Kongo69 said:
So immigrants figured out a way to game the system...so what?

That's human nature, we figure out what the rules are and then see how we can get what we want without having to follow the rules we don't like.

Bottom line is people will game the system. I guess this makes some people mad because there's nothing for them to gain when someone else games the system.




It makes US citizens mad because when illegals "game the system" they lose as a result.  Illegals hurt jobs/wages and the overall standard of living for Americans, the only ones that benefit are the ultra wealthy.




just like they've been told to feel by the main stream media propaganda machine complete with tea party rabble rousing side project and libertarian liberal side project...

now everyone is fighting with each other on what to do and no one is noticing the changes to the economic system. or the sly back door corporate welfare program, or the back room pentagon deal for new humvees to replace the old ones they sold to brazil for $ that no one tracks they can fund blackops with!

wooohoo.

well done.

all the while the problem remains that the rich are buying airplanes that could fund 300 jobs at twice minimum wage for 10 years, with money they syphoned out of the economy by replacing workers with robots, making workers work in unsafe conditions, making workers work at unsafe speeds, etc etc , anything to save a buck.

the end result is, that instead of that money going to the lowest level of the economy it goes to luxury builders which tend to be people who are already at 500k+ a year. so it fuels the economy that much less.

if instead we had a more normalized economy, then you'd have PLENTY of money to fund SURPLUS WORKERS, INSTEAD of it funding luxury items for the rich, and even LUXURY Items would cost less and be more efficient.

thats not the country we live in. thats japan, sweeden etc. and even those countries dont have economies which are HYPER normalized, they still have the super rich... its just MORE normalized, and they have better roads, schools, healthcare, food quality....etc etc etc pretty much better everything, and much lower poverty, and crime...MUCH MUCH MUCH LOWER.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22148423 - 08/26/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You will love it in Russia or n korea. They don't allow rich people to do that stuff there.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22148472 - 08/26/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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rxb said:
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qman said:
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Kongo69 said:
So immigrants figured out a way to game the system...so what?

That's human nature, we figure out what the rules are and then see how we can get what we want without having to follow the rules we don't like.

Bottom line is people will game the system. I guess this makes some people mad because there's nothing for them to gain when someone else games the system.




It makes US citizens mad because when illegals "game the system" they lose as a result.  Illegals hurt jobs/wages and the overall standard of living for Americans, the only ones that benefit are the ultra wealthy.




just like they've been told to feel by the main stream media propaganda machine complete with tea party rabble rousing side project and libertarian liberal side project...

now everyone is fighting with each other on what to do and no one is noticing the changes to the economic system. or the sly back door corporate welfare program, or the back room pentagon deal for new humvees to replace the old ones they sold to brazil for $ that no one tracks they can fund blackops with!

wooohoo.

well done.

all the while the problem remains that the rich are buying airplanes that could fund 300 jobs at twice minimum wage for 10 years, with money they syphoned out of the economy by replacing workers with robots, making workers work in unsafe conditions, making workers work at unsafe speeds, etc etc , anything to save a buck.

the end result is, that instead of that money going to the lowest level of the economy it goes to luxury builders which tend to be people who are already at 500k+ a year. so it fuels the economy that much less.

if instead we had a more normalized economy, then you'd have PLENTY of money to fund SURPLUS WORKERS, INSTEAD of it funding luxury items for the rich, and even LUXURY Items would cost less and be more efficient.

thats not the country we live in. thats japan, sweeden etc. and even those countries dont have economies which are HYPER normalized, they still have the super rich... its just MORE normalized, and they have better roads, schools, healthcare, food quality....etc etc etc pretty much better everything, and much lower poverty, and crime...MUCH MUCH MUCH LOWER.




The fact that deporting illegals makes economic/cultural sense doesn't mean there aren't other financial issues that need to be addressed.

If you haven't noticed, I'm usually the first one to point out we have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years, that's not a good result for anyone and it isn't sustainable.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22148490 - 08/26/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The fact that deporting illegals makes economic/cultural sense doesn't mean there aren't other financial issues that need to be addressed.

If you haven't noticed, I'm usually the first one to point out we have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years, that's not a good result for anyone and it isn't sustainable.




You're right! That's why we need to vote for Sanders in the primaries ;-)


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22148560 - 08/26/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You will love it in Russia or n korea. They don't allow rich people to do that stuff there.




i'd like it if we had no government at all.

russia and n korea have opressive governments.

and your idiotic ability to ignore japan and sweeden... or well almost every other country in the world is handling it better, but all you can think about are north korea and russia??

how dense are you?


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22148572 - 08/26/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
You will love it in Russia or n korea. They don't allow rich people to do that stuff there.




i'd like it if we had no government at all.

russia and n korea have opressive governments.

and your idiotic ability to ignore japan and sweeden... or well almost every other country in the world is handling it better, but all you can think about are north korea and russia??

how dense are you?




Stoney and I have been over this shit a million times. He's just jerkin your chain. I've come to understand that stonehenge says shit just to be inflammatory half the time.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22148599 - 08/26/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You troll a lot yourself, little sad woof, so don't get all high and mighty.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22148763 - 08/26/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

For some reason, there's a density or stupidity on this thread with the inability to distinguish between success, wealth and a level of wealth that is beyond wealth ... it's super wealth.  There's the whole idea of working hard, building a career, building a business and making millions in doing it.  Then there's the case where a person uses all kinds of financial engineering to convert debt into personal assets that build to the billions and in some cases 10's of billions and when you get into giant financial institutions, 100's of billions or even trillions. 

We all admire hard work and making money by creating things ... but super wealth is generally created through stock, debt and clipping chips of profit off of financial intersections.  The globe now has over 850 trillion worth of derivatives flying around electro networks generating billions and billions of electro wealth that ultimately turns into political influence.

That's the wealth I'm talking about.  I don't think it's healthy in a democracy for any individual to control over a billion dollars.  I think it actually runs completely counter to what democracy is and, frankly, if you read Adam Smith's perspective on capitalism, he certainly didn't see it that way either and saw super wealth as a huge plague on humanity.  Hard work needs to be rewarded but super wealth in the form of billions and billions from simply financial debt conversion tricks needs to stop. 

Corporations are way, way too big.  8 corporations create 90% of the products in supermarkets.  8 CORPORATIONS!!!  Think about that.  That is simply not healthy.  Our government needs to break up these companies, limit how much wealth an individual can control and even out the playing field.  That's not communism or even socialism.  It's the way capitalism is supposed to work.  What we have now is a form of mutant predatory capitalism.  It is a disease.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22149115 - 08/26/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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For some reason, there's a density or stupidity on this thread with the inability to distinguish between success, wealth and a level of wealth that is beyond wealth ... it's super wealth.  There's the whole idea of working hard, building a career, building a business and making millions in doing it.  Then there's the case where a person uses all kinds of financial engineering to convert debt into personal assets that build to the billions and in some cases 10's of billions and when you get into giant financial institutions, 100's of billions or even trillions. 

We all admire hard work and making money by creating things ... but super wealth is generally created through stock, debt and clipping chips of profit off of financial intersections.  The globe now has over 850 trillion worth of derivatives flying around electro networks generating billions and billions of electro wealth that ultimately turns into political influence.

That's the wealth I'm talking about.  I don't think it's healthy in a democracy for any individual to control over a billion dollars.  I think it actually runs completely counter to what democracy is and, frankly, if you read Adam Smith's perspective on capitalism, he certainly didn't see it that way either and saw super wealth as a huge plague on humanity.  Hard work needs to be rewarded but super wealth in the form of billions and billions from simply financial debt conversion tricks needs to stop. 

Corporations are way, way too big.  8 corporations create 90% of the products in supermarkets.  8 CORPORATIONS!!!  Think about that.  That is simply not healthy.  Our government needs to break up these companies, limit how much wealth an individual can control and even out the playing field.  That's not communism or even socialism.  It's the way capitalism is supposed to work.  What we have now is a form of mutant predatory capitalism.  It is a disease.




I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm wondering where you snagged that tasty nugget of info from? I know a couple of them are obscured by their 10,000 different brand names.

You're right. The financial sector is not representative of reality in the slightest these days. People selling debt to other people for pennies on the dollar, banks can lend more than they even hold, it's just craziness, and even the people involved in it are often unaware of exactly what the fuck is going on.

Most of them are just players in this game, and many of them don't even defend this loopy ass system. Why Stonehenge and many others feel so compelled to is beyond me!


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22149166 - 08/26/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Why Stonehenge and many others feel so compelled to is beyond me!




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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22149471 - 08/26/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm wondering where you snagged that tasty nugget of info from? I know a couple of them are obscured by their 10,000 different brand names.

You're right. The financial sector is not representative of reality in the slightest these days. People selling debt to other people for pennies on the dollar, banks can lend more than they even hold, it's just craziness, and even the people involved in it are often unaware of exactly what the fuck is going on.

Most of them are just players in this game, and many of them don't even defend this loopy ass system. Why Stonehenge and many others feel so compelled to is beyond me!




Here's a good graphic that shows it ... not sure it's 100% up to date, but it's close.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/57742/these-companies-own-all-food-brands

The same could be done with the 10 or so financial institutions that own or have controlling interest in most of the stock of most of the publicly traded companies on this planet.

Advocating for this insidious form of hidden government on this planet is so utterly stupid.  When I see these idiots arguing that the super wealthy need to have the "freedom" to become even more wealthy I truly wonder if they have any concept at all of the principles America was founded on and the utter hatred the Founding Fathers had for corporations.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22149474 - 08/26/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:


I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm wondering where you snagged that tasty nugget of info from? I know a couple of them are obscured by their 10,000 different brand names.

You're right. The financial sector is not representative of reality in the slightest these days. People selling debt to other people for pennies on the dollar, banks can lend more than they even hold, it's just craziness, and even the people involved in it are often unaware of exactly what the fuck is going on.

Most of them are just players in this game, and many of them don't even defend this loopy ass system. Why Stonehenge and many others feel so compelled to is beyond me!




Here's a good graphic that shows it ... not sure it's 100% up to date, but it's close.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/57742/these-companies-own-all-food-brands

The same could be done with the 10 or so financial institutions that own or have controlling interest in most of the stock of most of the publicly traded companies on this planet.

Advocating for this insidious form of hidden government on this planet is so utterly stupid.  When I see these idiots arguing that the super wealthy need to have the "freedom" to become even more wealthy I truly wonder if they have any concept at all of the principles America was founded on and the utter hatred the Founding Fathers had for corporations.  Giant corporations are a COMPETING form of government that fights endlessly to gain control of democracy and these idiots argue for them.  :facepalm:




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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22149479 - 08/26/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Why Stonehenge and many others feel so compelled to is beyond me!




the power of suggestion




Clear and powerful evidence of brainwashing.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #22149844 - 08/27/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OK,Big Bad, and RXB:  How man foreign countries have you visited?  How many foreign countries have you lived in?  How many foreign languages can you speak?  How many of the US States have you visited?  How mich education do you all have?


I'm curious as to why you all believe you know shit about the world.  Maybe you do.  If you haven't got a significant amount of world experience, then I suggest you come back and tell me how great the fucking world outside the US is after you all are out of diapers and have an education.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22149848 - 08/27/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Now, this anchor baby bullshit is stupid, and I just heard one of the great intellectual voices of the left giving his opinion on it.  That would be Jorge ramos.  He is a fucking moron.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22150000 - 08/27/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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True to your form, you ignore that all other 5 points include big tax cuts and a teethy way to reduce corporate, union, church and non profit influence on politics that will help reduce spending, reduce giveaways to special interests and enable politicians to work in the public's best interest..  You lack intellectual integrity and are a comical debater.




When I'm stating you're in favor of soaking the rich, the other "ideas" aren't relevant.

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6) Every five years put out a 25% net worth tax on anyone with over 1 billion in net worth to close the deficit and pay down the debt.  If they leave the US, they lose their citizenship, passport and ability to travel back to the US for 10 years.




You should work on your own 'integrity' before worrying about others.

Perhaps spending more time rubbing money on your dick to make it hard would be a better way to spend your time.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22150014 - 08/27/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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When I'm stating you're in favor of soaking the rich, the other "ideas" aren't relevant.






You are consistently unable to distinguish between wealth and super wealth.  You simply cannot see the difference between a person with a net worth 10-20 million vs. the guy with 30 Billion or the corporation that has leveraged financial power of 10 trillion.  I get it and that's fine.

I'm on the same side of the argument that the founding fathers were.  They believed super wealth and giant corporations were one of the biggest threats to an effective democracy.  In their time, the kinds of legal entities that enable super wealth to accumulate would never have been legal and the idea that a single person would have that kind of financial power was utterly absurd to them.

Hey, if it gets you excited to advocate for an uber wealth class like a brainwashed puppy on a leash, go for it.  But it's foolish and the mere existence of that class dramatically accelerates the devolution of our Republic. 

If, in your tiny myopic world, a wealth tax on the billionaires (roughly 500 people) in this nation to reduce our deficit is "soaking the rich" then I'm all for it.  Declare your victory ... go out and celebrate today.  Pierce your nipples ... go nuts.

The far more important aspect of my plan is to get shareholders on the same side as labor in terms of motivated to reduce the pay gap that is widening in large corporations.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22150018 - 08/27/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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OK,Big Bad, and RXB:  How man foreign countries have you visited?  How many foreign countries have you lived in?  How many foreign languages can you speak?  How many of the US States have you visited?  How mich education do you all have?


I'm curious as to why you all believe you know shit about the world.  Maybe you do.  If you haven't got a significant amount of world experience, then I suggest you come back and tell me how great the fucking world outside the US is after you all are out of diapers and have an education.




They are typical liberals.


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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

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