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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22144911 - 08/26/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Whether it's 40% or not, it shows that a significant number of people here illegally didn't commit a crime to get here or stay here.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22144926 - 08/26/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

and it could be higher than 40%

no real reason to believe its not ~40%


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Kongo69]
    #22145049 - 08/26/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Kongo69 said:
So immigrants figured out a way to game the system...so what?

That's human nature, we figure out what the rules are and then see how we can get what we want without having to follow the rules we don't like.

Bottom line is people will game the system. I guess this makes some people mad because there's nothing for them to gain when someone else games the system.




It makes US citizens mad because when illegals "game the system" they lose as a result.  Illegals hurt jobs/wages and the overall standard of living for Americans, the only ones that benefit are the ultra wealthy.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22145056 - 08/26/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Kongo69 said:
So immigrants figured out a way to game the system...so what?

That's human nature, we figure out what the rules are and then see how we can get what we want without having to follow the rules we don't like.

Bottom line is people will game the system. I guess this makes some people mad because there's nothing for them to gain when someone else games the system.




It makes US citizens mad because when illegals "game the system" they lose as a result.  Illegals hurt jobs/wages and the overall standard of living for Americans, the only ones that benefit are the ultra wealthy.




Business owners, large and small, wealthy and struggling all benefit from the cheap labor our immigration system generates.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22145091 - 08/26/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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So immigrants figured out a way to game the system...so what?

That's human nature, we figure out what the rules are and then see how we can get what we want without having to follow the rules we don't like.

Bottom line is people will game the system. I guess this makes some people mad because there's nothing for them to gain when someone else games the system.




It makes US citizens mad because when illegals "game the system" they lose as a result.  Illegals hurt jobs/wages and the overall standard of living for Americans, the only ones that benefit are the ultra wealthy.




Business owners, large and small, wealthy and struggling all benefit from the cheap labor our immigration system generates.




Let's be perfectly honest, only the top 1% of the population benefits at all. What about the other 99%?

How do the struggling benefit?  Many in the US lower middle class have no employment as a result.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22145141 - 08/26/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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Kongo69 said:
So immigrants figured out a way to game the system...so what?

That's human nature, we figure out what the rules are and then see how we can get what we want without having to follow the rules we don't like.

Bottom line is people will game the system. I guess this makes some people mad because there's nothing for them to gain when someone else games the system.




It makes US citizens mad because when illegals "game the system" they lose as a result.  Illegals hurt jobs/wages and the overall standard of living for Americans, the only ones that benefit are the ultra wealthy.




Business owners, large and small, wealthy and struggling all benefit from the cheap labor our immigration system generates.




Let's be perfectly honest, only the top 1% of the population benefits at all. What about the other 99%?

How do the struggling benefit?  Many in the US lower middle class have no employment as a result.




A lot of illegals work for very small businesses ... restaurants, small contractors, small landscaping outfits. 

I'd estimate less than 25% of the jobs illegals currently do are actively being pursued by American citizens.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22145153 - 08/26/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Let's be perfectly honest, only the top 1% of the population benefits at all. What about the other 99%?

How do the struggling benefit?  Many in the US lower middle class have no employment as a result.



If you eat produce, you benefit from illegal immigration.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22145174 - 08/26/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If you eat produce, you benefit from illegal immigration.




How about this .. If you eat, you benefit from illegal immigration ...


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Diploid]
    #22145175 - 08/26/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

rxb, you have quoted one of the most left leaning moonbat newspapers in the country. They dress up their opinions calling them "rulings" and show an electrical meter saying true, false, etc to con the gullible into believing them.

"Carter said..."
"Pew Hispanic Center..."

Could you possibly have a more flimsy source if you spent a year trying? Enlil of course is convinced since he is a moonbat as well.

qman
>Let's be perfectly honest, only the top 1% of the population benefits at all. What about the other 99%?

>How do the struggling benefit?  Many in the US lower middle class have no employment as a result.

This is something the far left has overlooked. They are so conditioned to believe what they are told by the media they never question it or think about it at all. Obviously most of the ones supporting illegals are in fact being harmed by illegals via loss of jobs and a higher crime rate.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22145177 - 08/26/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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Kongo69 said:
So immigrants figured out a way to game the system...so what?

That's human nature, we figure out what the rules are and then see how we can get what we want without having to follow the rules we don't like.

Bottom line is people will game the system. I guess this makes some people mad because there's nothing for them to gain when someone else games the system.




It makes US citizens mad because when illegals "game the system" they lose as a result.  Illegals hurt jobs/wages and the overall standard of living for Americans, the only ones that benefit are the ultra wealthy.




Business owners, large and small, wealthy and struggling all benefit from the cheap labor our immigration system generates.




Let's be perfectly honest, only the top 1% of the population benefits at all. What about the other 99%?

How do the struggling benefit?  Many in the US lower middle class have no employment as a result.




A lot of illegals work for very small businesses ... restaurants, small contractors, small landscaping outfits. 

I'd estimate less than 25% of the jobs illegals currently do are actively being pursued by American citizens.




They're not pursuing the jobs because the wages have been depressed due to the ILLEGAL WORKERS!!! Who the hell do you think worked those jobs before the illegal invasion?  Santa Claus. :lol:


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22145200 - 08/26/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Let's be perfectly honest, only the top 1% of the population benefits at all. What about the other 99%?

How do the struggling benefit?  Many in the US lower middle class have no employment as a result.



If you eat produce, you benefit from illegal immigration.




This is the most pathetic argument I hear from the pro illegal immigration movement, guess what?  They are already paying those workers high wages because of the shortage of workers. 

Produce is still available and affordable, even if US citizens did benefit from the "cheaper" produce, it hardly outweighs all the other negative aspects of their illegal invasion.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22145202 - 08/26/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How about this .. If you eat, you benefit from illegal immigration ...



Not necessarily.  If you only eat what you grow/kill, you don't benefit.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22145249 - 08/26/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hair splitting and irrelevant arguments are alive and well with enlil on the job. As always, he supports the govt position on everything. If even 1 illegal didn't enter illegally then he repeats 100 times that not "all" are criminals.

The far left and the propagandists who tell them what to believe are in favor of illegals for cheap labor. Meanwhile, they offshore production to capture greater profits with even cheaper labor overseas. This is a recipe for disaster which is already unfolding. When economic hardship hits they will tell us we need more illegals to fix it. We are dying economically from the tidal wave of illegal immigration unleashed by obumble and the dems but they want more. When enlil is kicked to the curb in favor of illegals I will cheer. Of course he still has his job shilling unless they take that away too.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22145319 - 08/26/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They're not pursuing the jobs because the wages have been depressed due to the ILLEGAL WORKERS!!! Who the hell do you think worked those jobs before the illegal invasion?  Santa Claus. :lol:




To get beyond the slogans and knee jerk comments here, we need to understand that  America has changed a lot since WW2 ... and I mean a LOT.  A small business driven economy has steadily been replaced by a global multi national driven predatory economy.  Economies of scale are what matter now and the holistic integration of communities that recycled currency and productivity locally has been completely destroyed.  The wage gap even in the early 70's in corporations was averaging about 25X top to bottom where now, many of the S&P 500 are seeing wage gaps of 300-500X.  This has been made possible because of the institutionalizing of predatory capitalism that goes after the cheapest, near slave markets anywhere and extracts wealth/spending from local communities that never returns.

It's a lot more complicated than the slogans suggest.  Unless we address the ravages of predatory capitalism, I don't see how some new immigration laws that will take years if not decades to implement will create the kind of rapid change Trump's train expects.

We'd be better off going after the wages gap more directly, while installing a very teethy e-verify system here at home with jail time for CEO's of companies that hire illegals.  Those two changes would create some real impact.  How about some serious tax incentives to see profits made in local markets put back in local markets somehow?  Also, take a good look at Germany's system of giving labor an equal amount of seats at the corporate board level?

These are the kinds of changes that will drive rapid change.


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    #22145353 - 08/26/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Scapegoating the illegals is fun and all, but we all have to eventually accept that our standard of living is unsustainable.  No leader or policy is going to change that. We can only live the way we do because billions live in abject poverty the likes of which we can't even imagine.  That's reality.

That only can continue for so long.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22145380 - 08/26/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Scapegoating the illegals is fun and all, but we all have to eventually accept that our standard of living is unsustainable.  No leader or policy is going to change that. We can only live the way we do because billions live in abject poverty the likes of which we can't even imagine.  That's reality.

That only can continue for so long.




Good post.  The entire mindset that quality of life is dependent on getting more and more stuff is where the real challenge is.  Certainly, we need our basic needs met, but that's not what I'm talking about.  We could build a frigging utopia on this planet but we can't do it if .1% of the population MUST have private planes, 10 houses, a billion in the bank and every conceivable luxury.  That mindset has to change.  The reality is, we suffer, at least in the wealth classes, from severe spiritual atrophy.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22145432 - 08/26/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:

They're not pursuing the jobs because the wages have been depressed due to the ILLEGAL WORKERS!!! Who the hell do you think worked those jobs before the illegal invasion?  Santa Claus. :lol:




To get beyond the slogans and knee jerk comments here, we need to understand that  America has changed a lot since WW2 ... and I mean a LOT.  A small business driven economy has steadily been replaced by a global multi national driven predatory economy.  Economies of scale are what matter now and the holistic integration of communities that recycled currency and productivity locally has been completely destroyed.  The wage gap even in the early 70's in corporations was averaging about 25X top to bottom where now, many of the S&P 500 are seeing wage gaps of 300-500X.  This has been made possible because of the institutionalizing of predatory capitalism that goes after the cheapest, near slave markets anywhere and extracts wealth/spending from local communities that never returns.

It's a lot more complicated than the slogans suggest.  Unless we address the ravages of predatory capitalism, I don't see how some new immigration laws that will take years if not decades to implement will create the kind of rapid change Trump's train expects.

We'd be better off going after the wages gap more directly, while installing a very teethy e-verify system here at home with jail time for CEO's of companies that hire illegals.  Those two changes would create some real impact.  How about some serious tax incentives to see profits made in local markets put back in local markets somehow?  Also, take a good look at Germany's system of giving labor an equal amount of seats at the corporate board level?

These are the kinds of changes that will drive rapid change.




I have no issue with some of those suggestions, but the best way to address the wage gap is to do it the natural way, supply and demand. We need to tighten the labor market, that includes removing the illegals and bringing back US jobs.

Capitalism becomes predatory when there's an excess pool of available labor (skilled and unskilled). It doesn't have to be that way in the US.

Remember the 1960's and 70's?  Strong wage growth from a tight labor market, a strong consumer,weak corporate profit growth, and a decent balance of income equality.


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    #22145554 - 08/26/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Remember the 1960's and 70's?  Strong wage growth from a tight labor market, a strong consumer,weak corporate profit growth, and a decent balance of income equality.




Much of the success in the 50's-70's were driven by huge advantages the US had in the aftermath of WW2 when manufacturing capacity globally had been severely reduced and we essentially came out of WW2 with INCREASED manufacturing capability, capacity and a female labor pool that was trained and eager to work.  But, as Germany, the rest of Europe, Japan, Korea and eventually China and the came back to life, those advantages disappeared.

Secondly, the US was in the 50's - early 70's producing more oil than we consumed.  That changed dramatically and as such, our trade balances started getting rocked hard and American wealth started being invested elsewhere.

Wages will certainly go up if manufacturing on our soil increases, but keep in mind we now have 330 million people in America.  In 1970 we had 205 million.  In 1960 we had 180 million.

At some point, it becomes very difficult to maintain the types of advantages we had because the social problems of all that population growth start to eat up more and more of the spending of the nation.  The solutions lie in a different mindset that re positions the whole quality of life vision for Americans in a new direction.  Endless amounts of stuff, waste and a struggle to get more of it isn't going to work anymore and we need to look at that as a gift and not a curse.


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    #22146290 - 08/26/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So immigrants figured out a way to game the system...so what?

That's human nature, we figure out what the rules are and then see how we can get what we want without having to follow the rules we don't like.

Bottom line is people will game the system. I guess this makes some people mad because there's nothing for them to gain when someone else games the system.




It makes US citizens mad because when illegals "game the system" they lose as a result.  Illegals hurt jobs/wages and the overall standard of living for Americans, the only ones that benefit are the ultra wealthy.




Business owners, large and small, wealthy and struggling all benefit from the cheap labor our immigration system generates.




Let's be perfectly honest, only the top 1% of the population benefits at all. What about the other 99%?

How do the struggling benefit?  Many in the US lower middle class have no employment as a result.




I have a friend who started a landscaping business who now rakes in about 100k a year because his laborers are all low paid illegals, for whom he also doesn't have to pay SS or payroll tax.


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    #22146385 - 08/26/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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Kongo69 said:
So immigrants figured out a way to game the system...so what?

That's human nature, we figure out what the rules are and then see how we can get what we want without having to follow the rules we don't like.

Bottom line is people will game the system. I guess this makes some people mad because there's nothing for them to gain when someone else games the system.




It makes US citizens mad because when illegals "game the system" they lose as a result.  Illegals hurt jobs/wages and the overall standard of living for Americans, the only ones that benefit are the ultra wealthy.




Business owners, large and small, wealthy and struggling all benefit from the cheap labor our immigration system generates.




Let's be perfectly honest, only the top 1% of the population benefits at all. What about the other 99%?

How do the struggling benefit?  Many in the US lower middle class have no employment as a result.




I have a friend who started a landscaping business who now rakes in about 100k a year because his laborers are all low paid illegals, for whom he also doesn't have to pay SS or payroll tax.




Just wonderful, he should lose his employees due to deportation.  We need to eventually go after people that hire illegals, both with fines and criminal charges.


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