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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22141665 - 08/25/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't say anything about breaking a law.  I said that some people who enter illegally do so without committing a crime.  By definition, illegal means law breaking, so anyone who enters illegally breaks the law.

Anyone who pays a phone bill late breaks the law.

Anyone who makes a lane change without signalling breaks the law.

Everyone breaks laws.  Not everyone is a criminal.  If you want to make a stupid claim like "all illegal immigrants are criminals", you should be able to back that claim up.  The person who made that ludicrous claim has not backed it up, and I'm not here to disprove his point.  He has the burden of proving it.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22141706 - 08/25/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Illegal immigration is a criminal matter so yes, they are criminals, your feeble defense notwithstanding. Trying to equate it with not paying a phone bill or changing lanes is dishonest, those are not criminal matters.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22142211 - 08/25/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If we were to deport all of our illegals would we have to give every single last one of them there own trial ?  If so  , how could that possibly be accomplished?


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: psilynut] * 1
    #22142384 - 08/25/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nope, just round them up, if they aren't citizens or don't have legal status, they go out. That's what they used to do but ofumbles has messed it up.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22142401 - 08/25/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nope, just round them up, if they aren't citizens or don't have legal status, they go out. That's what they used to do but ofumbles has messed it up.




:facepalm:

Amazing how few people understand how our legal system works.  The ignorance in America is staggering.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22142419 - 08/25/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i guess you would have the cops stop everyone and ask for papers.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22142423 - 08/25/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Stonehenge isn't big on the Constitution or due process.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22142457 - 08/25/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge isn't big on the Constitution or due process.




Oblivious to the power that judges have and that they don't work for the President.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22142481 - 08/25/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Enlil likes to make stuff up as he goes along and not document it.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22142492 - 08/25/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge isn't big on the Constitution or due process.




Oblivious to the power that judges have and that they don't work for the President.




the president also only has power if stonehenge likes him/her.

and if stonehenge likes the decision of the SC then its cool, but if not, then its bullshit abuse of power.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22142546 - 08/25/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

rxb, you got it right!


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22142552 - 08/25/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nope, just round them up, if they aren't citizens or don't have legal status, they go out. That's what they used to do but ofumbles has messed it up.




    Sorry I was asking Enil.
Reply to fail.  So they used to just round em up huh?    I think the last time that happened was when Eisenhower started operation wetback , in 1954 .  What exactly did Obama do to cause us to have to give illegals trials .  I was under the impression the constitution requires us to give a trial to everyone accused of a crime , regardless of legal status . But I'm a pot head , so feel free to correct me .


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    #22142591 - 08/25/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The very same people that scream at Obama for his executive orders want Trump to just round illegal aliens up and send them back to Mexico with no due process or legal representation.

Too funny!


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22142595 - 08/25/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge isn't big on the Constitution or due process.




Neither are the immigrants who choose not to go through proper procedure to become a citizen.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22142693 - 08/25/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

honestly i dont think of the president as anyone but a man.

and i dont think my representatives are representing me...only corporations at this point.


so i dont think any of it matters, but really if you are going to let people make you think that illegals are really damaging this country more than the people who are chosing to have a new g6 every year instead of paying 3000 more people a salary...

then you've got the wrong ideas.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22142707 - 08/25/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge isn't big on the Constitution or due process.




Neither are the immigrants who choose not to go through proper procedure to become a citizen.



How do you figure?  What, precisely are illegal immigrants doing that is anti-constitution?


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22142741 - 08/25/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge isn't big on the Constitution or due process.




Neither are the immigrants who choose not to go through proper procedure to become a citizen.




Seems to me if they can't get jobs and can't get government benefits, they won't come.  We CAN cut those two things off.  That's where we should and can start.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22142744 - 08/25/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>so i dont think any of it matters, but really if you are going to let people make you think that illegals are really damaging this country more than the people who are chosing to have a new g6 every year instead of paying 300 people a salary...

You think people should work for min wage even when they reach the top just so some illegals can be paid more? Go over to Russia or china, you will find some like minded people there.


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    #22142775 - 08/25/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge isn't big on the Constitution or due process.




Neither are the immigrants who choose not to go through proper procedure to become a citizen.



How do you figure?  What, precisely are illegal immigrants doing that is anti-constitution?




Due process through our judicial system. You have a habit of responding by asking more questions while not adding any input.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22142819 - 08/25/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

> You have a habit of responding by asking more questions while not adding any input.

True, and the input he does add is usually hair splitting and word twisting, iow nothing of substance. He may be a decent person but is relentless is supporting the powers that be.


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