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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22140385 - 08/25/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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:lolwut:  So the reason they don't report their cash earnings is because they are afraid of racists?  I heard of a lot of lame excuses, but that's the best of all-time. :facepalm:



   
    So illegals aren't afraid to get deported?  I also said they they simply don't know how.  Like Stonehenge.


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Speaking of ignorance, that is a very ignorant post.

>With an individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN) and form w7 .  Stealing someone's identity is not what an illegal has to do to pay taxes

Do you have any evidence they are doing this? Of course not, they just get paid under the table.





Of course I do .
   

    http://www.businessinsider.com/how-illegal-immigrants-pay-taxes-2012-3

"Guerrero's whole family is undocumented, except for her 13-year old younger brother, who was born in the U.S. and is a U.S. citizen. She says that they all work and pay taxes through their Internal Revenue System (IRS) issued Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (IT"


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22140399 - 08/25/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, get rid of the anchor baby scam.




Much harder to do and could take years ... In the meantime, the problem can be solved with much easier to execute strategies.




Every other developed nation did it years ago, it's really not that difficult.

Even if you take away their employment, it doesn't solve the problem.

The illegals that survive in the criminal gangs don't work, what's going to make them leave?

If you keep all the freebies, what's going to make them leave?


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22140409 - 08/25/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

again, get rid of the whole government.

get rid of all freebies.

if you want to keep basic laws supporting property rights...fine...but i think its pointless.

having bigger guns should not be the basis of borders.

the earth belongs to everyone. except qman.

but if we are going to have this stupid system... then atleast stack the deck toward the poor... remove all laws favoring the rich and corporations, it limits trade, and removes money from the economy... favor the poor.. the rich can take care of themselves.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22140570 - 08/25/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>So the reason they don't report their cash earnings is because they are afraid of racists?  I heard of a lot of lame excuses, but that's the best of all-time. :facepalm:

Moonbats are good at lame excuses.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22140578 - 08/25/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Of course the illegals are all criminals. What part of "illegal" don't people understand?




Illegal doesn't necessarily mean criminal.  What part of that don't you understand?


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22140582 - 08/25/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>Illegal doesn't necessarily mean criminal.  What part of that don't you understand?

They committed a crime entering the usa. What part of that don't you understand?


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22140586 - 08/25/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not necessarily.  Some did, but not all people who enter illegally are committing a crime.  Further, many undocumented workers entered legally and overstayed their visas...that's not a crime, either.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22140609 - 08/25/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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>So the reason they don't report their cash earnings is because they are afraid of racists?  I heard of a lot of lame excuses, but that's the best of all-time. :facepalm:

Moonbats are good at lame excuses.






    At least I knew they could pay taxes without a SSN .
  Why do think an undocumented immigrant would not pay taxes  , given how easy it is . What your non racist explanation ?


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22140621 - 08/25/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What a bunch of crap!!

>Not necessarily.  Some did, but not all people who enter illegally are committing a crime. 

Helloo, entering illegally is a crime. Look it up.

>Further, many undocumented workers entered legally and overstayed their visas...that's not a crime, either.

It certainly is unlawful presence and most just sneaked over but your bosses tell you to shill in favor of illegals so you do. Only the rich, their shills and brainwashed fools want illegal workers.

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>Why do think an undocumented immigrant would not pay taxes

Maybe to avoid paying it? Duh!


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22140638 - 08/25/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Or to avoid getting deported . Racism is driving the deportation issue right now .


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: psilynut]
    #22140672 - 08/25/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Many want to simply ignore the fact that we have divided government and we have three equal branches of government as well.  The idea that Trump could walk in and just start deporting millions of people without starting the largest and most complex shit storm in the history of the nation is utterly naive.  This is my primary problem with Trump ... he puts stuff out without thinking it through.  There are Federal and State judges with a lot of power.  Trump can't just over rule this.  We have decades and decades of legal precedent and Supreme Court rulings that will have to be worked through.  Not to mention the many lawsuits that will be launched on day one of some kind of mass deportation plan.

Trump needs to think this through.  There are practical steps.  E-verify, prosecute employers, reduce state benefits, etc.  But rounding up 11 million people is nothing more than pixie dust he's sprinkling on the naive, some of which are right here on this thread.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22140679 - 08/25/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What a bunch of crap!!

>Not necessarily.  Some did, but not all people who enter illegally are committing a crime. 

Helloo, entering illegally is a crime. Look it up.





As usual, your argument is based wholly on ignorance.  Killing people is illegal, but not everyone who kills a person has committed a crime.

Similarly, not everyone who enters illegally has committed a crime.


You're simply talking out of your ass again.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: psilynut]
    #22140685 - 08/25/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>Racism is driving the deportation issue right now .

Lol, it has nothing to do with them taking our jobs and employment being at an all time low since ww2? Sure, the bats knee jerk response to every question is racism. Why don't negroes succeed when given a chance? Racism. Why are they on welfare? same answer, why don't the dems want voter id? same answer, nothing to do with them voting dem all the time to get a bigger handout.

I see the ass talker has made another silly reply. Illegals are illegal, quit with your niggling and twisting of words.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22140754 - 08/25/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's hilarious how this anchor baby argument has become a giant sandbox for racists to gather, and fling poo from.  There are legitimate problems to be solved as it applies to immigration, but the primary problems has been created because predatory corporations are eager to access near slave labor prices/conditions to maximize their profits.  If we simply had fairer leadership in these giant corporations, many of these problems would vanish.

Our nation was simply not set up to deal with these giant predatory corporations.  We did anticipate the need for separation of church and state but did not take the necessary steps in insure separation of corporation and state.  If the sharing of profits was simply more fair, most of our problems would greatly diminish. 

The morons tell us that we must fear the takeover of our society by an out of control government ... but what we've already had is the takeover of government by predatory corporations.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: psilynut]
    #22140807 - 08/25/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Or to avoid getting deported . Racism is driving the deportation issue right now .




No it's not, it's economic in nature. Again, if the US economy had more jobs available than labor, there's no problem with bringing in immigrants to fill the void, that IS NOT THE CASE today.

Do you have any idea how many working eligible (18-55 years old) US citizens are NOT working today?  Most likely 50-60 million!! And people like you want to bring in outsiders, it's fucking ridiculous. :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22141098 - 08/25/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You said it three times but never explained why. How does someone do something illegal and not commit a crime?

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Entering the country illegally is a crime.



Not all illegal immigrants entered the country illegally.  Also, not all that did enter illegally have committed a crime.  Your logic is flawed...try again.



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Of course the illegals are all criminals. What part of "illegal" don't people understand?




Illegal doesn't necessarily mean criminal.  What part of that don't you understand?



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What a bunch of crap!!

>Not necessarily.  Some did, but not all people who enter illegally are committing a crime. 

Helloo, entering illegally is a crime. Look it up.





As usual, your argument is based wholly on ignorance.  Killing people is illegal, but not everyone who kills a person has committed a crime.

Similarly, not everyone who enters illegally has committed a crime.


You're simply talking out of your ass again.







The reason immigration is illegal without being documented is because it is a welfare state. That's like letting anyone off the street inside when you have an open bar. People are attacking the companies for hiring first when the illegals shouldn't be here in the first place. That's like busting only the drug users and doing nothing about the dealers. The government is the dealer because they aren't following the laws we already have. Immigration laws aren't broken, they just aren't being followed. Birthright citizenship is nothing more than rewarding something illegal, and it would be insane to have people give birth to get instant citizenship and bypass the system in place. That's cutting in line before others who are going through the legal process and paying their fee($420). I've heard from countless Polish people about what they had to go through to citizenship here and they're not too happy about the anchor method.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22141521 - 08/25/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You said it three times but never explained why. How does someone do something illegal and not commit a crime?




Don't pay your phone bill on time.  That's illegal.  It's not a crime.  Most illegal things aren't crimes.


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    #22141548 - 08/25/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>Don't pay your phone bill on time.  That's illegal.

Its only against a civil contract which is not what we are talking about as you know very well. People are tired of nit picking, twisting words and the like. Entering usa illegally is against the law and there are criminal penalties for that. They are criminals.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22141589 - 08/25/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Overstaying a visa is not a crime, though.  And not all people who enter illegally are guilty of a crime, either.  Keep talking out of your ass, though.

Bottom line:  Not all illegal immigrants are criminals.


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    #22141633 - 08/25/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You have not given us one single example of someone entering illegally who did not break a law. Talking out your ass indeed. I see you still have an anal fixation. :wink:


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