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Stonehenge said: Of course the illegals are all criminals. What part of "illegal" don't people understand?
>some illegals are tax evading. not all
How do they not evade taxes when they have no ss number? Perhaps you mean the illegals who get by on welfare alone?
many of them use other peoples credentials to work, so they pay taxes but never get the benefit of a tax return.
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Brian Jones said: I know a lot of illegals that are working under somebody else's SSN. They won't ever benefit from the deductions but somebody else might.
I hate to say this, here in right wing heaven, but actual economists are completely split on whether their economic contributions are helping or hurting the country. Who the fuck else is going to prop up the system when the baby boom is on Social Security.
"actual economists are completely split on whether their economic contributions are helping or hurting the economy"
Total nonsense, yes there are some economists that try to justify the illegals presence as a net positive, but when we actually look at the taxes the use and the taxes they contribute, we can see that illegals USE 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-california-taxpayers
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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
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Stonehenge said: Of course the illegals are all criminals. What part of "illegal" don't people understand?
>some illegals are tax evading. not all
How do they not evade taxes when they have no ss number? Perhaps you mean the illegals who get by on welfare alone?
many of them use other peoples credentials to work, so they pay taxes but never get the benefit of a tax return.
Stealing someone's identity is fraud and it's against the law, criminals shouldn't receive a benefit for breaking the law.
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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
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rxb said: they cant get welfare
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/
No shit, but when you have a child they get free EVERYTHING. Try again!
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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
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They get a lot of social services illegal or not. When they get sick or hurt, they go to the emergency room and we get stuck wit the bill. They go to food banks, free clinics, and other handout centers. They steal other people's identity and get welfare that way too.
Go trump go!
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http://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/Monograph_BirthRights.pdf
"some political leaders are proposing to remove birthright citizenship as an automatic right. Other Western nations have acted similarly when faced by unwanted immigration. Portugal in 1981, UK in 1983, India in 1987, France in 1993, New Zealand in 2005, and Australia in 2007"
It's also coming to an end in the US, just a matter of time.
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Stonehenge said: Of course the illegals are all criminals. What part of "illegal" don't people understand?
>some illegals are tax evading. not all
How do they not evade taxes when they have no ss number? Perhaps you mean the illegals who get by on welfare alone?
With an individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN) and form w7 . Stealing someone's identity is not what an illegal has to do to pay taxes . You don't have to have a SSN to pax income tax . That's incredibly ignorant . And it sounds racist .
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the fact is, you dont even have a reason to CARE.
you've been brainwashed into believing that these people are taking advantage of you.
so that you will NOT worry about the rich people taking advantage of you.
it seems crazy that anyone would ever go. THAT PERSON fighting to get a crumb to eat is the bad guy, while that person who is paying a far too low of a wage to 50000 people, and using the savings to finance a jet airplane is the good guy.
but, you are.
whats crazier, is unlike say me, you are PROBABLY one of the people being taken advantage of. unless you 1) work for yourself or 2) make more than 300k a year.
trump is one of those people who takes advantage of a lot of people, when one of trumps companies files bankrupcy, it wipes out dept to contractors, those contracting companies file bankrupcy and down the line people lose jobs, and people dont get paid for work they have already done.
parents of anchor babies arent fucking people over they are surviving...trump, fucks people over, and because he fucks people over he gets to enjoy gold toilets
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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
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this is another reason i dont believe trump will get elected.
its simply too easy to show how many lives he has ruined to get gold toilets
and while some people wont care, others certainly will, meaning that whomever you put up against him ... even if they are a criminal in their own right...would beat him.
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Stonehenge said: Of course the illegals are all criminals. What part of "illegal" don't people understand?
>some illegals are tax evading. not all
How do they not evade taxes when they have no ss number? Perhaps you mean the illegals who get by on welfare alone?
With an individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN) and form w7 . Stealing someone's identity is not what an illegal has to do to pay taxes . You don't have to have a SSN to pax income tax . That's incredibly ignorant . And it sounds racist .
The vast majority of illegals that get paid under the table aren't going to pay income taxes. Most of the tax revenue generated from illegals comes from property and sales tax, not income.
Guess what? At the end of the day, the taxes revenue they contribute is chicken feed relative to the tax revenue they use, there's nothing racist about that fact.
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Speaking of ignorance, that is a very ignorant post.
>With an individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN) and form w7 . Stealing someone's identity is not what an illegal has to do to pay taxes
Do you have any evidence they are doing this? Of course not, they just get paid under the table.
rxb >THAT PERSON fighting to get a crumb to eat is the bad guy, while that person who is paying a far too low of a wage to 50000 people, and using the savings to finance a jet airplane is the good guy.
"paying too low a wage"? that is so silly it hardly merits a response. Employers pay the prevailing rate which is pulled down drastically by illegals. Your jealousy of anyone with money is obvious.
>when one of trumps companies files bankrupcy, it wipes out dept to contractors
More ignorance. Contractors are first in line to be paid and typically get paid in stages as work is done, often getting deposits in advance.
>parents of anchor babies arent fucking people over they are surviving
They are robbing all the working people here or those trying to find a job. You have no problem with that but hate on the big people who provide jobs. Typical left wingnut thinking.
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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
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rxb said: the fact is, you dont even have a reason to CARE.
you've been brainwashed into believing that these people are taking advantage of you.
so that you will NOT worry about the rich people taking advantage of you.
it seems crazy that anyone would ever go. THAT PERSON fighting to get a crumb to eat is the bad guy, while that person who is paying a far too low of a wage to 50000 people, and using the savings to finance a jet airplane is the good guy.
but, you are.
whats crazier, is unlike say me, you are PROBABLY one of the people being taken advantage of. unless you 1) work for yourself or 2) make more than 300k a year.
trump is one of those people who takes advantage of a lot of people, when one of trumps companies files bankrupcy, it wipes out dept to contractors, those contracting companies file bankrupcy and down the line people lose jobs, and people dont get paid for work they have already done.
parents of anchor babies arent fucking people over they are surviving...trump, fucks people over, and because he fucks people over he gets to enjoy gold toilets
The illegals create an excess pool of labor, that hurts ALL US workers, this is simple economics, why do you think the very rich want them in the US? It keeps everyone's wages down!!
IF we had more job opportunities than people in the US, then we could start thinking about bringing some of these people to fill the void, currently the US doesn't have this issue, in fact we have tens of millions of US citizens NOT working.
Why do you want to fuck over the people that need work more than anyone else? I want to help our lower middle class citizens (most who are minorities), you don't get a shit.
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you have no idea how much money i have... but i've been living off savings for over 10 years now.
and i could do so for another 80 years the way i have it structured.
sooooo... im doing ok.
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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
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If your right , That doesn't change the fact that they can pay without a SSN. You can pay taxes on money paid to you under the table . Perhaps many more or most all of our undocumented workers would pay their taxes if it wasn't for ignorance . That probably don't know , or are scared , of racists who would like to see them dead .
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psilynut said: If your right , That doesn't change the fact that they can pay without a SSN. You can pay taxes on money paid to you under the table . Perhaps many more or most all of our undocumented workers would pay their taxes if it wasn't for ignorance . That probably don't know , or are scared , of racists who would like to see them dead .
So the reason they don't report their cash earnings is because they are afraid of racists? I heard of a lot of lame excuses, but that's the best of all-time.
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Some very simple solutions that have nothing to do with rounding up 11 million people for deportation:
1) Vigorously prosecute any CEO of a company that hires illegal aliens 2) Immediately put in place an e-verify system. Make it a felony for any alien at all (non-US Citizen to work or draw income without it 3) Pass laws that any remittances to foreign countries by aliens must pay a 30% tax on the remittance 4) Do not allow any benefits at all to any aliens that do not have an e-verify identification card
That should to it.
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KauaiOrca said: Some very simple solutions that have nothing to do with rounding up 11 million people for deportation:
1) Vigorously prosecute any CEO of a company that hires illegal aliens 2) Immediately put in place an e-verify system. Make it a felony for any alien at all (non-US Citizen to work or draw income without it 3) Pass laws that any remittances to foreign countries by aliens must pay a 30% tax on the remittance 4) Do not allow any benefits at all to any aliens that do not have an e-verify identification card
That should to it.
Also, get rid of the anchor baby scam.
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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
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Also, get rid of the anchor baby scam.
Much harder to do and could take years ... In the meantime, the problem can be solved with much easier to execute strategies.
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get rid of the government.
problem solved.
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