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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22183498 - 09/03/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A lot of people are going to be wary of him if he plans to run as an independent if he doesn't get the nomination. It improves his chances of winning by indicating he will play by the system.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22183953 - 09/03/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What's wrong with keeping your options open?




Now that he's got a taste of what it's like to be in front ... he wants more of it.  Trump likes power about as much as anyone out there, I'd guess.  He'll say what he needs to say regardless of whether he believes it or not.  He's all over the map politically and shows no consistency at all over the years.  He's living off the land in terms of a lot of free publicity but that won't last forever.  I wonder if he'll really pop and spend hundreds of millions of his own money when the time comes and the free publicity slows down like it does for everyone?


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22184277 - 09/03/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

running as an independant would be without a party.

there could be formed a trump party... and it wouldnt be independent.

not sure what the document he signed said but he has good lawyers.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22184567 - 09/03/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Any document he signed saying he wouldn't run as an independent wouldn't be enforceable anyway.  Still, signing such a document and then breaching the agreement would be political suicide.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22185638 - 09/03/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Any document he signed saying he wouldn't run as an independent wouldn't be enforceable anyway.  Still, signing such a document and then breaching the agreement would be political suicide.




As suicidal as calling an entire nationality rapists?

As suicidal as calling the wife of an opponent a woman with a fat ugly face whom he should fire?

Pretty sure the GOP base loves suicide.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22185695 - 09/03/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Any document he signed saying he wouldn't run as an independent wouldn't be enforceable anyway.  Still, signing such a document and then breaching the agreement would be political suicide.




As suicidal as calling an entire nationality rapists?

As suicidal as calling the wife of an opponent a woman with a fat ugly face whom he should fire?

Pretty sure the GOP base loves suicide.




The GOP loves belligerence and above all hate speech. Trump suits them well, as the polls demonstrate.


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    #22185708 - 09/03/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Any document he signed saying he wouldn't run as an independent wouldn't be enforceable anyway.  Still, signing such a document and then breaching the agreement would be political suicide.




As suicidal as calling an entire nationality rapists?

As suicidal as calling the wife of an opponent a woman with a fat ugly face whom he should fire?

Pretty sure the GOP base loves suicide.




The GOP loves belligerence and above all hate speech. Trump suits them well, as the polls demonstrate.




Which is why I wouldn't doubt for a second a belligerent move like going back on a contract.

Literally all it would take is: "I know I said I wouldn't run third party but the GOP establishment simply refuses to make the bold decisions that Americans demand and deserve."

Piece of cake.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22185766 - 09/03/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Former Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm gave a speech in 2004 that remarkably resembles what we are faced with today in regards to what he describes as "Multiculturalism". It's his plan to destroy America and it really connects the dots of the picture we see today.




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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22185850 - 09/03/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you actually watch Mark Levin regularly? If you do, it explains a lot.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22185920 - 09/03/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the leaders of this nation.

are working together to tear apart the lower class...make them fight for bones and kill each other.

but if you believe this is one sided...democrats only.

or republican only...

you are part of the problem. not the solution.

maybe you are racist... or you feel, this SHOULD be about race, not fairness, not justice.

maybe you are classist ... or you feel that things should be ok for one class and not the other...

maybe you are a staunch capitalist...or you feel that its reasonable for one man, to inherit enough wealth to be able to pick any 1000 men and systematically destroy or enhance their lives.

maybe you are an anti-eliteist ... and think it doesnt matter to what level we educate.

the best way to have a strong country is the same way you have a strong rope, you put a bunch of fibers together, and you try to make each fiber as strong as possible. the weaker fibers get supported by the stronger ones, in such a way as you uniformly move forward.

if we poorly educate (standards of learning)... if we give corporate handouts (obama care is a great example of corporate handouts).... if we point at the poor and blame them for their crappy schools with old books instead of at least giving ACCESS To great educators even in horrible places...

then we become a nation of individual fibers. and we will constantly fight each other over boundaries and rights.

its true.

when someone speaks a different language, you assume they are laughing at you.

but saying the answer is to force everyone to speak english is absurd... there are many MULTILANGUAGE COUNTRIES, i've never had any trouble speaking english in mexico, france, spain, germany or italy...if you think they dont ALSO speak french and spanish in germany, as well as english, you'd be wrong...but english is popular everywhere. spanish is popular in some places more than others...

whatever lets all speak esperanto

but now we are educating people in 2 different ways.

and we are healing people in many different ways.

and indeed creating those divisions... with programs and laws that come from BOTH parties. and the reason is, they have the same goals.


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    #22186580 - 09/04/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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the leaders of this nation.

are working together to tear apart the lower class...make them fight for bones and kill each other.

but if you believe this is one sided...democrats only.

or republican only...

you are part of the problem. not the solution.

maybe you are racist... or you feel, this SHOULD be about race, not fairness, not justice.

maybe you are classist ... or you feel that things should be ok for one class and not the other...

maybe you are a staunch capitalist...or you feel that its reasonable for one man, to inherit enough wealth to be able to pick any 1000 men and systematically destroy or enhance their lives.

maybe you are an anti-eliteist ... and think it doesnt matter to what level we educate.

the best way to have a strong country is the same way you have a strong rope, you put a bunch of fibers together, and you try to make each fiber as strong as possible. the weaker fibers get supported by the stronger ones, in such a way as you uniformly move forward.

if we poorly educate (standards of learning)... if we give corporate handouts (obama care is a great example of corporate handouts).... if we point at the poor and blame them for their crappy schools with old books instead of at least giving ACCESS To great educators even in horrible places...

then we become a nation of individual fibers. and we will constantly fight each other over boundaries and rights.

its true.

when someone speaks a different language, you assume they are laughing at you.

but saying the answer is to force everyone to speak english is absurd... there are many MULTILANGUAGE COUNTRIES, i've never had any trouble speaking english in mexico, france, spain, germany or italy...if you think they dont ALSO speak french and spanish in germany, as well as english, you'd be wrong...but english is popular everywhere. spanish is popular in some places more than others...

whatever lets all speak esperanto

but now we are educating people in 2 different ways.

and we are healing people in many different ways.

and indeed creating those divisions... with programs and laws that come from BOTH parties. and the reason is, they have the same goals.




:lolwut:  And your point is???

Breaking news, cultural diversity is a failed concept. 

"we are...indeed creating those divisions"

No, US citizens are the victims of a open door policy that makes those cultural divisions, that's why it's coming to an end.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22186603 - 09/04/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

hey man, i like other cultures.

i enjoy indian food... and turkish food... i like knowing about how they live.

there is nothing wrong with either the salad or the melting pot... the problem comes when resources are kept from people to cause them to be in conflict with one another.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22186627 - 09/04/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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hey man, i like other cultures.

i enjoy indian food... and turkish food... i like knowing about how they live.

there is nothing wrong with either the salad or the melting pot... the problem comes when resources are kept from people to cause them to be in conflict with one another.




Believe it or not, resources are LIMITED and not infinite.

There is a breaking point, we already have enough poor uneducated people in the US, bringing in more doesn't do anything other than make things even worse.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22186681 - 09/04/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Which is why I wouldn't doubt for a second a belligerent move like going back on a contract.

Literally all it would take is: "I know I said I wouldn't run third party but the GOP establishment simply refuses to make the bold decisions that Americans demand and deserve."

Piece of cake.



So, you think Congressional Republicans will just shrug and say, "you got us there...now, what do you need from us?" 

Like I said, it'd be political suicide.  I don't really care what the voters would think about it.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22186762 - 09/04/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Believe it or not, resources are LIMITED and not infinite.

There is a breaking point, we already have enough poor uneducated people in the US, bringing in more doesn't do anything other than make things even worse.




Right now, America definitely DOES NOT need more uneducated, poor immigrants coming into the country.  I think we can all agree on that.  We have enough and need to absorb, integrate and reject as necessary for at least 5-10 years. 

On the other hand, we need a much better way of attracting and keeping the world's best and brightest, especially people that want to MAKE STUFF, not just come up with cyber companies that generate attention and revenues without many employees.  Life has got to be more than a better app and more computing power.

There are NEVER, however, too many hottie latinas and I think we give the absolute hottest ones fast track status.  I volunteer to run the agency to evaluate who qualifies for fast track status.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22188226 - 09/04/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

minimum wage... needs to go.

livable wage...needs to be a thing, this is simply stated the amount of money needed to house and feed a family of four for a year divided by 50 (weeks) and then by 40(hours)...per hour...which allows for 2 weeks vacation...

it would of course vary by region...because housing costs are variable, you cant live in new york city (or within 100 miles of it) for what you can live in west virginia for.

but you cant expect to have a decent society without this standard. in order to lower crime, and fighting you have to pay people well enough that someone can stay home and raise the children not to be fucking thieves and assholes.

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some line in the sand must be drawn about what is an acceptable ammount of money to make ABOVE that living wage... do you need enough to house clothe and feed 1000 families of four? do we cut it off at income level enough to feed 10,000 families of four?

the cap however should DEFINITELY adjust based on the percentage of people who have no job and are looking for one. but there should be some generalized cap on how many salaries you can pull out of the system to buy things no one NEEDS.

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if we are going to have income tax (why bother when a flat sales tax would be so much more effective)...but if we are going to have it, then the only thing you should be allowed to deduct, are cost of living items, taxes should be at a staggered rate based on the number of living wages you make. if you make 1 living wage, your tax should be 0. if you make between 2 and 10 living wages, you should pay 10 percent on all but 1.

if you make 20 living wages, you should pay no tax on 1, 10 percent on 9... and maybe 11 percent on numbers 10 through 20. 12 on 20 through 50,

etc.

(and maybe the curve should be even steeper....we can leave that to some tax experts.)

that said
a flat sales tax would be even better, raw non heated foods exempt from taxation. medically necessary sales are exempt as well.
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immigration at that point would be a non-starter the job market would be self leveling and the economy wouldnt be able to get topheavy like it is now.

bottom heavy economies arent an issue like topheavy ones are.


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    #22188451 - 09/04/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Which is why I wouldn't doubt for a second a belligerent move like going back on a contract.

Literally all it would take is: "I know I said I wouldn't run third party but the GOP establishment simply refuses to make the bold decisions that Americans demand and deserve."

Piece of cake.



So, you think Congressional Republicans will just shrug and say, "you got us there...now, what do you need from us?" 

Like I said, it'd be political suicide.  I don't really care what the voters would think about it.





Sure they would, look what happened to moderates when the Tea Party tsunami hit in 2010. The GOP can move towards populism or die.


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    #22188641 - 09/04/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So a dish washer or construction helper should be able to feed a family of 4? Why? It was not our decision to have all those brats, if he can't feed em, let the wife go to work. You guys are really big on more and more handouts but who will pay for it all? We have already driven much of our manufacturing offshore with idiotic taxes and schemes. This would drive even more away meaning less jobs.

And you want the illegals to stay, why do you hate the working man so much? You want to take away his job.


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    #22188808 - 09/04/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Which is why I wouldn't doubt for a second a belligerent move like going back on a contract.

Literally all it would take is: "I know I said I wouldn't run third party but the GOP establishment simply refuses to make the bold decisions that Americans demand and deserve."

Piece of cake.



So, you think Congressional Republicans will just shrug and say, "you got us there...now, what do you need from us?" 

Like I said, it'd be political suicide.  I don't really care what the voters would think about it.






I am still of the mind that Trump really doesn't actually want to be the president. I think he loves all of the attention he's getting, so he's continuing on with this charade, but in the end, Trump sees life in very simple terms. You can be a 'Looooser!', or a winner, like him. He has to know that there is no way he will ever be president, and he doesn't want to be seen as a loser, or see himself as one. Aside from that presidents, regardless of their success, are subject to incredible scrutiny, and general hatred from a significant portion of society. He will be intensely hated by a large number of people, and Trump wants to be loved more than the nerdy kid in a Jr. Highschool.

I have an odd feeling that he's going to pull out at some point, but I may be wrong, of course. I just don't think he's going to take this all the way to it's logical conclusion (Trump losing to Hillary/Sanders). If you think about it, you don't really need a huge level of support to win the Republican primary when there are so many candidates. Trumps appeal only stretches so far, to the uneducated (There is evidence that Trumps supporters have generally low education) belligerent Republicans. The fact that this is a large portion of the Republican party does not mean that it is a large portion of America on the whole.

I would take any bet with anyone that Trump will never be president.


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    #22189113 - 09/04/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Trump definitely stands a chance.

Let's assume he wins the nomination, Hillary drops out and Sanders wins the Dem primary. Not all that unlikely, right?

Ok now lets imagine the Fed raises interest rates, and the debt saturated markets plummet, and we're thrust into another recession.

Are desperate Americans going to vote for the "free college free healthcare free everything" guy? Or the billionaire who's built, rebuilt, rebuilt, and rebuilt an empire?

And whether you agree with those impressions or not, that's how Trump's campaign (and money) will paint it.


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