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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22163662 - 08/30/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

no one knows what a liberal or a conservative is anymore.

its completely possible to be BOTH, this blows the mind of the idiots that think its defined by "hillary" or "bush"


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22163669 - 08/30/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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no one knows what a liberal or a conservative is anymore.

its completely possible to be BOTH, this blows the mind of the idiots that think its defined by "hillary" or "bush"




100% correct.  Arguing that corporations deserve free speech and the "right" to own our political process because un motivated people mooch off the system gets to the heart of how easily manipulated we have become.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22163703 - 08/30/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hill+billy has many liberal positions, she backs more and more handouts for the usual suspects, a dem strategy. She supports union graft etc and so on. But the extreme left thinks anyone who doesn't sign on for each and every one of their extreme positions is a right winger. They don't recognize moderates, all are hard right in their eyes.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22163994 - 08/30/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

and dispite the fact that the same is true, to the same degree from the right.

you choose to ignore/overlook/omit this part.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22168801 - 08/31/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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the "right" to own our political process



I don't think anyone is arguing for this. I really wish people would familiarize themselves with Citizens United.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: psyconaught]
    #22168832 - 08/31/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

anchor babies dont hurt any of the groups fighting against them, they simply are a fear tactic used to motivate poor white people into voting one way or another. seems to be working, if the trailer park vote mattered it would be a game changer.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22168894 - 08/31/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't you think its a cop out to say people who are opposed to illegal immigration are racists?


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22168903 - 08/31/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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anchor babies dont hurt any of the groups fighting against them, they simply are a fear tactic used to motivate poor white people into voting one way or another. seems to be working, if the trailer park vote mattered it would be a game changer.




Anchor babies policy hurts most people in the US, they are leeches on a system that can no longer afford it.

"if the trailer part vote mattered"

None of the voting matters today.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: psyconaught]
    #22168908 - 08/31/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't you think its a cop out to say people who are opposed to illegal immigration are racists?




Of course it is, but the discussion of basic economics is of no interest to the people that shout "racism" when you challenge them on their emotional position.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22168923 - 08/31/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anchor babies policy hurts most people in the US, they are leeches on a system that can no longer afford it.




bullshit, show me some proof.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22169253 - 08/31/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anchor babies policy hurts most people in the US, they are leeches on a system that can no longer afford it.




bullshit, show me some proof.




Who do you think pays for their food stamps, disability, welfare, public housing, health care, education, and criminal acts that burden the justice system?  Yes, US citizens, it's so bad that governments (local, state, and federal) are forced to borrow the money in the debt markets to pay for it, that's called a BURDEN!!

Just in California- http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-california-taxpayers

"tax dollars on services for that population is $25.3 billion (per year)...$3.5 billion in tax collections"

With over $800 billion of debt, a state like California can't afford this burden.  http://www.statebudgetsolutions.org/publications/detail/state-budget-solutions-fourth-annual-state-debt-report

Why do I have to even explain this very obvious fact? :facepalm:


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22169272 - 08/31/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ok you fail at evidence.

ok, so anchor babies, are not illegals. and neither are their caretakers... so your data, is not applicable to the discussion.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22169290 - 08/31/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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ok you fail at evidence.

ok, so anchor babies, are not illegals. and neither are their caretakers... so your data, is not applicable to the discussion.




Illegals use the educational, health care, and criminal justice systems. Also, the parents of anchor babies do receive the services, they ARE NOT US citizens! It's all "applicable to the discussion".

You just lost your argument, you're over your head, just stop.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22169291 - 08/31/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>Why do I have to even explain this very obvious fact? :facepalm:

Because he's a liberal.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22169342 - 08/31/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i dont believe in government services... at all...

i dont believe in government much less big government...

you are far more liberal than i am....if liberal means in support of government services.

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qman you have failed to show that anchor babies cause any significant burden... in order to "prove" it you sited information on illegals... anchor babies arent illegal...

in order to use those stats at all, you'd have to show that anchor babies are responsible for 100 percent of illegal aliens.

and then maaaaybe you'd have something.

as of right now, you havent shown that they cause even 3% of the illegal aliens, and im not sure you have shown that illegals cause a SIGNIFICANT burden.

you are going to have to do much much better for your statement to be anything but bullshit.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22169369 - 08/31/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

also.. i dont think we are really in agreement on what liberal and conservative is.

conservative means that one conserves resources and spends wisely.

liberal (which is not the opposite) means that one supports new ideas.

im not sure how you are using the terms... but the republicans havent been conservative atleast since reagan, if not before. sometimes the republicans (romneycare) are down right liberal...and the some democrats (bill clinton) are pretty damned conservative (mostly in talk but he did work hard to get a balanced budget which was very conservative of him).

im not really sure you understand these terms in the classical since.

now i dont support new ideas in government, because i dont really support the government at all.

but if we are to have this government stay, im a constitutional conservative.... or at least im closest to that...

which doesnt have ANYTHING to do with immigration policy opinion at all...

my opinion on immigration is that its retarded... the land belongs to no one. the earth belongs equally to every living thing.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22169434 - 08/31/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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also.. i dont think we are really in agreement on what liberal and conservative is.

conservative means that one conserves resources and spends wisely.

liberal (which is not the opposite) means that one supports new ideas.

im not sure how you are using the terms... but the republicans havent been conservative atleast since reagan, if not before. sometimes the republicans (romneycare) are down right liberal...and the some democrats (bill clinton) are pretty damned conservative (mostly in talk but he did work hard to get a balanced budget which was very conservative of him).

im not really sure you understand these terms in the classical since.

now i dont support new ideas in government, because i dont really support the government at all.

but if we are to have this government stay, im a constitutional conservative.... or at least im closest to that...

which doesnt have ANYTHING to do with immigration policy opinion at all...

my opinion on immigration is that its retarded... the land belongs to no one. the earth belongs equally to every living thing.




"the land belongs to no one"

So you don't believe in property rights?  You won't mind when a big group of illegals set up their own tents and cars on your front yard? 

"the earth belongs equally to every living thing"

That's hippy hogwash that you wouldn't ever live by, talk is cheap.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: rxb]
    #22169444 - 08/31/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i dont believe in government services... at all...

i dont believe in government much less big government...

you are far more liberal than i am....if liberal means in support of government services.

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qman you have failed to show that anchor babies cause any significant burden... in order to "prove" it you sited information on illegals... anchor babies arent illegal...

in order to use those stats at all, you'd have to show that anchor babies are responsible for 100 percent of illegal aliens.

and then maaaaybe you'd have something.

as of right now, you havent shown that they cause even 3% of the illegal aliens, and im not sure you have shown that illegals cause a SIGNIFICANT burden.

you are going to have to do much much better for your statement to be anything but bullshit.




"anchor babies aren't illegal"

Actually they are, but it will become much more official in short order.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22169555 - 08/31/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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"anchor babies aren't illegal"

Actually they are, but it will become much more official in short order.







Lol. Short order. Don't get your hopes up .  Have you already forgotten about 2012 . Romney got 26 % of the Latin vote , Obama got the rest . 
  I'm pretty sure the republicans main goal after the election was to not piss Latino voters . Because you will lose .


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22169559 - 08/31/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Actually they are, but it will become much more official in short order.




The sooner the better.


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