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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22155431 - 08/28/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"pick a strategy of competing mostly on price"

Retail competition revolves around price.




Not even close to true.  Plenty of retailers compete on quality. You think all those kids are buying Patagonia gear because it's cheap?  Or Porsches or Mercedes?  How about Nordstroms and there are thousands and thousands of restaurants that don't compete on price.  Whole foods ... Farmers Markets ... $200 pairs of jeans ... I could list a thousand examples at least. 

You are way off here.




When the products are the exact same, price is the main issue. Of course quality plays a role, the consumer seeks value.




Walk into a Nordstrom's and you'll pay a significant premium on the exact same brands available at many other retailers.  And people gladly pay it.

Price is the main issue for one segment of the population, for instance a Wal Mart shopper.  For other segments, it's not.  There is a segment of the population that wouldn't consider stepping into a Wal Mart even if the product they wanted was 20% cheaper there.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22155454 - 08/28/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"pick a strategy of competing mostly on price"

Retail competition revolves around price.




Not even close to true.  Plenty of retailers compete on quality. You think all those kids are buying Patagonia gear because it's cheap?  Or Porsches or Mercedes?  How about Nordstroms and there are thousands and thousands of restaurants that don't compete on price.  Whole foods ... Farmers Markets ... $200 pairs of jeans ... I could list a thousand examples at least. 

You are way off here.




When the products are the exact same, price is the main issue. Of course quality plays a role, the consumer seeks value.




Walk into a Nordstrom's and you'll pay a significant premium on the exact same brands available at many other retailers.  And people gladly pay it.

Price is the main issue for one segment of the population, for instance a Wal Mart shopper.  For other segments, it's not.  There is a segment of the population that wouldn't consider stepping into a Wal Mart even if the product they wanted was 20% cheaper there.




That's true, sometimes shopping at Wal-Mart can be a scary experience :lol:


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22155566 - 08/28/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Our poor are wealthier than 90% of the world.




Got anything to back that up with? Sounds like liberal baloney.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22155609 - 08/28/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22155704 - 08/28/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Our poor are wealthier than 90% of the world.









It's the reason why, despite all the complaining from minorities, they never return to their homelands. There's no food stamps, welfare and disability checks in Africa.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22155984 - 08/28/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I see enlil is doing his usual bluff instead of admitting he is wrong, which he never admits. I'm familiar with zappa's bluff links so I checked it and it said nothing to support your statement. Here is what it did say

" And the bottom 10% in the US are indeed worse off than the bottom 10% in Sweden"

Sweden is supposed to be such a progressive country dontcha know. Whenever I see a link with no quote its almost sure to be a bluff. Here is what you said that you failed to substantiate, in case you forgot

Enlil said:
Our poor are wealthier than 90% of the world.

qman
>It's the reason why, despite all the complaining from minorities, they never return to their homelands. There's no food stamps, welfare and disability checks in Africa.

And complainers are likely to be shot or imprisoned.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22156007 - 08/28/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you are wealthy, the quality of life in the US is VERY GOOD, but that's true in a lot of other countries as well.  I've been to 31 countries in my life and, for the most part, the US is one of the best.  But there are countries in Europe especially, where the life is great and you don't see nearly the wealth gap, violence, cultural divide or poverty you see here in the US.  If you are born into a poor inner city family in the US, it's a dangerous and tough life. 

But let's not kid ourselves, by and large, the 6% of the world's population that is born in the United States, for the most part, hit the lotto.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22156512 - 08/28/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've only been to 8 different countries .  4 in Europe . Public transportation in Europe is superior in every way to the bullshit we have in here in the states . Must be nice not to feel like you have to spend a fortune buying , fueling, insuring  and maintaining a car  just to get to work and go shopping . I don't feel like I could live in the states without a car . I wouldn't want one if I lived in the places I visited in Europe .
    I would even say Colombia has better public transportation than the U.S. , if you have the balls to go way to fast in a bus on a curvy mountain road  or the wrong way down one way streets in taxis .
  Anyway what I'm getting at is I feel like we could do allot to help everyone , especially poor people in the inner city's if we had way better public transportation , and people could treat cars as luxuries rather than a necessity .


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: psilynut]
    #22156667 - 08/28/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Its true about public transportation in Europe. They have buses, trains, the metro, and are bicycle friendly. Taxis are overpriced ripoffs here, not enough buses and so on.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22156789 - 08/28/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If you are wealthy, the quality of life in the US is VERY GOOD, but that's true in a lot of other countries as well.  I've been to 31 countries in my life and, for the most part, the US is one of the best.  But there are countries in Europe especially, where the life is great and you don't see nearly the wealth gap, violence, cultural divide or poverty you see here in the US.  If you are born into a poor inner city family in the US, it's a dangerous and tough life. 

But let's not kid ourselves, by and large, the 6% of the world's population that is born in the United States, for the most part, hit the lotto.




"cultural divide or poverty you see here in the US."

So true, there's nothing like a homogeneous country to keep a nice standard of living for everyone.

The US will never have that, cultural diversity is a failed concept on so many different levels.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22157129 - 08/28/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The US will never have that, cultural diversity is a failed concept on so many different levels.




LOL ... Not for the wealthiest!  Cultural diversity as you put it is VERY profitable.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22158550 - 08/28/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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We're the wealthiest country in the world. You honestly believe America couldn't handle a wage hike? I know billionaires work hard and everything, but they can afford to give up a few pennies on the dollar, just my 2 cents.

I want to see your evidence that wage hikes hurt the economy. I've seen plenty of studies that show no net job loss from increasing the minimum wage, but I've yet to anything demonstrating your argument. Its an argument against the poor, and that is all it is. A side-argument of trickle-downers.




"We're the wealthiest country in the world"

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-23-richest-countries-in-the-world-2015-7

That's not true, the fact that we have a large economy and many billionaires doesn't really mean we are a wealthy country.

"see evidence that wage hikes hurt the economy"

For the record, I'm NOT against a higher (within reason) minimum wage, but with that being said, it doesn't create economic prosperity.

Do you know what's the best solution to declining real wages?  A natural market solution, a TIGHTER LABOR MARKET!!!




I agree about the 'tighter labor market', which is why I don't support free trade, and I don't support 'immigration reform'.

We are the wealthiest country in the world, closely followed by China. When I say that I mean our country holds the most capital in the world.

My point is that the wealth needs to be spread around in order to have a functional economy. We can see clear evidence of this by looking at the two points in American history in which wealth was most concentrated: just before the great depression, and just before the 'great recession'.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22158573 - 08/28/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"cultural divide or poverty you see here in the US."

So true, there's nothing like a homogeneous country to keep a nice standard of living for everyone.

The US will never have that, cultural diversity is a failed concept on so many different levels.




I dunno. I like cultural diversity. I think intolerance is a real issue here in the US, but I think that it is getting better.

Like I've said before, I love me some senioritas.

I think people need to get over their ideas of 'normal' and trying to be the same as everyone else. That's what makes cultural divides so strong.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22159175 - 08/29/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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My point is that the wealth needs to be spread around in order to have a functional economy. We can see clear evidence of this by looking at the two points in American history in which wealth was most c ncentrated: just before the great depression, and just before the 'great recession'.





according to this article it has gotten worse since the great depression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States ;

while I agree with many points of the article, I have to violently disagree with people like Barack Obama and Paul Krugman on what conclusions can be drawn about the causes and solutions, based on what is known.  For example, this article widely touts that tax policy and rates has a high degree of influence on wealth/income equality, and that can be true I think. 

think of it this way:  one of the major 'solutions' proposed by loud-mouthed dirt bags like Obama and Krugman is to tax the shit out of the wealthy.  I agree that that will reduce wealth inequality. :wink:


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22159807 - 08/29/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"cultural divide or poverty you see here in the US."

So true, there's nothing like a homogeneous country to keep a nice standard of living for everyone.

The US will never have that, cultural diversity is a failed concept on so many different levels.




I dunno. I like cultural diversity. I think intolerance is a real issue here in the US, but I think that it is getting better.

Like I've said before, I love me some senioritas.

I think people need to get over their ideas of 'normal' and trying to be the same as everyone else. That's what makes cultural divides so strong.




"I like cultural diversity"

It only works with economic prosperity, we don't have that anymore. Today we have unsophisticated groups of people trying to survive in a very competitive environment, it's a disaster.

We have high schools full of minority students that can't even pass of basic language exam, how are they going to compete?  They can't, cultural diversity is a failed concept.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: qman]
    #22159909 - 08/29/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Very true. Diversity is a nonsense concept sold to the weak of mind who now believe its a wonderful thing.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22159943 - 08/29/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Very true. Diversity is a nonsense concept sold to the weak of mind who now believe its a wonderful thing.




The funny thing is, most don't know who's selling it and why.


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22160029 - 08/29/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The only people I've ever met who didn't favor diversity are those with irrational and racist beliefs.


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    #22160070 - 08/29/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

^ Speaking of irrational and racist


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Re: Anchor Baby [Re: Enlil]
    #22160075 - 08/29/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The only people I've ever met who didn't favor diversity are those with irrational and racist beliefs.




They're the same people that recommend "cultural diversity" for everybody but themselves, talk is cheap but in reality they're nothing but hypocrites.

I know the people you're talking about, they don't live in "diverse" neighborhoods, they don't live in "diverse" communities, they don't send their children to "diverse" schools, and they don't spend their free time with "diverse" people. They talk a great game, but that's about it.


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