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Forget for a moment about the media driven tags of "liberal" vs. "conservative" which really have little meaning anymore and are used to motivate the cheerleaders and pom pom swingers on both sides.
Advocating and arguing for an uber wealth class or the idea that a single human being should have control of billions of dollars of resources and assets is Un-American. The whole point of America was to create a place where this kind of controlling wealth class would not exist and average American citizens would actually govern the nation.
The sheer idiocy of arguing for a tiny class of less than 1,000 people that essentially own all of the important assets on the planet is utterly and completely idiotic.
The government needs to be much more aggressive at breaking up large corporations and breaking up the assets of the uber wealthy that essentially have stolen that wealth via the distortion of our corporate created financial system.
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luvdemshrooms
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When I'm stating you're in favor of soaking the rich, the other "ideas" aren't relevant.
You are consistently unable to distinguish between wealth and super wealth. You simply cannot see the difference between a person with a net worth 10-20 million vs. the guy with 30 Billion or the corporation that has leveraged financial power of 10 trillion. I get it and that's fine.
It's that type of statement which renders the drivel you spew so laughable.
Clearly, you're ability to "get it" has died a painful death... if it ever existed.
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The far more important aspect of my plan is to get shareholders on the same side as labor in terms of motivated to reduce the pay gap that is widening in large corporations.
Another laughable part which will never occur.
But keep telling yourself otherwise. It gets funnier each time.
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KauaiOrca said: Forget for a moment about the media driven tags of "liberal" vs. "conservative" which really have little meaning anymore and are used to motivate the cheerleaders and pom pom swingers on both sides.
Advocating and arguing for an uber wealth class or the idea that a single human being should have control of billions of dollars of resources and assets is Un-American. The whole point of America was to create a place where this kind of controlling wealth class would not exist and average American citizens would actually govern the nation.
The sheer idiocy of arguing for a tiny class of less than 1,000 people that essentially own all of the important assets on the planet is utterly and completely idiotic.
The government needs to be much more aggressive at breaking up large corporations and breaking up the assets of the uber wealthy that essentially have stolen that wealth via the distortion of our corporate created financial system.
Taking from those who have earned it, to give to those that haven't... is what's un-American.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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It's that type of statement which renders the drivel you spew so laughable.
You certainly are well trained by the super wealth class. They've not only got you on a shiny leash, they've trained you to argue for them and against the interests of America.
Your weakness is their advantage.
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It's that type of statement which renders the drivel you spew so laughable.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Taking from those who have earned it, to give to those that haven't... is what's un-American.
Super wealth is created through manipulation of the financial system. It should be illegal in the first place.
Your enthusiastic support for the super wealthy and your loyalty to their control system is quite remarkable and, to a certain extent, sickening. Wake up. Become a human being again. Stop being a programmed puppy of the wealth class.
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Right. 
When it's illegal... let me know. In the meantime, I'll keep laughing at the stupidity of your ideas.
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When it's illegal... let me know. In the meantime, I'll keep laughing at the stupidity of your ideas.
Much of it was illegal ... before Bretton Woods ... going off the gold standard and the repeal of Glass Steagall ...
Pay attention you fool.
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When it's illegal... let me know. In the meantime, I'll keep laughing at the stupidity of your ideas.
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luvdemshrooms said: When it's illegal... let me know. In the meantime, I'll keep laughing at the stupidity of your ideas.
Hey, humor's great ... whatever gets you off, bud. Laughter is healing. I've yet to actually see you put up an idea ... or humor for that matter.
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What's the cutoff for being an anchor? Lie if your great great grandfather came here illegally, does that make you a great great anchor grand child?
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It's amazing how liberals think that companies have this secret vault of excess cash that the can just shell out, and this cash will somehow find it's way into the pockets of all the middle class and poor. That increased expenditure will result in the poor and middle class picking up the difference. I read a story where the owner of a pizza company in California decided to in crease the minimum wage early. His business is down 25%, he can no longer stay open for lunch, and he fears having to shut his shop down after 18 years. The problem is he's charging $30 for a pizza now.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/08/17/california-15-minimum-wage-30-per-pizza-massive-fail/
That's what taxing and charging companies more will do in a nutshell, and it drives me nuts reading the pejorative term "trickle down" and thinking taxing the rich will do the poor any good at all. It's the opposite.
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Astral Pain said: It's amazing how liberals think that companies have this secret vault of excess cash that the can just shell out, and this cash will somehow find it's way into the pockets of all the middle class and poor. That increased expenditure will result in the poor and middle class picking up the difference. I read a story where the owner of a pizza company in California decided to in crease the minimum wage early. His business is down 25%, he can no longer stay open for lunch, and he fears having to shut his shop down after 18 years. The problem is he's charging $30 for a pizza now.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/08/17/california-15-minimum-wage-30-per-pizza-massive-fail/
That's what taxing and charging companies more will do in a nutshell, and it drives me nuts reading the pejorative term "trickle down" and thinking taxing the rich will do the poor any good at all. It's the opposite.
Think of it this way. So, a CEO does some amazing financial engineering of the company's stock and juices it up 25% in a year ... for that, he gets a 35 million dollar bonus package. Now, that same CEO could have gotten a 5 million dollar package and the extra 30 million could have been divided up to distribute $5,000 bonuses to 6,000 different employees. Which scenario would be better for the economy, the health of the nation and the team morale of the company? I'm not trying to be a dick here, this is a serious question.
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Astral Pain said: It's amazing how liberals think that companies have this secret vault of excess cash that the can just shell out, and this cash will somehow find it's way into the pockets of all the middle class and poor. That increased expenditure will result in the poor and middle class picking up the difference. I read a story where the owner of a pizza company in California decided to in crease the minimum wage early. His business is down 25%, he can no longer stay open for lunch, and he fears having to shut his shop down after 18 years. The problem is he's charging $30 for a pizza now.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/08/17/california-15-minimum-wage-30-per-pizza-massive-fail/
That's what taxing and charging companies more will do in a nutshell, and it drives me nuts reading the pejorative term "trickle down" and thinking taxing the rich will do the poor any good at all. It's the opposite.
Think of it this way. So, a CEO does some amazing financial engineering of the company's stock and juices it up 25% in a year ... for that, he gets a 35 million dollar bonus package. Now, that same CEO could have gotten a 5 million dollar package and the extra 30 million could have been divided up to distribute $5,000 bonuses to 6,000 different employees. Which scenario would be better for the economy, the health of the nation and the team morale of the company? I'm not trying to be a dick here, this is a serious question.
What's that got to do with the scenario he reported on?
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What's that got to do with the scenario he reported on?
Often, companies don't have to increase expense or pay out more to pay their people better ... they just need to split the payouts more evenly just like it was done prior to the 80's. Back then, CEO's were averaging 25-30X in terms of total income vs the lowest paid people in the company ... now it's 200-500X ... think about that. And that doesn't even take into account outsourcing which would take that to 5,000X ...
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Astral Pain said: It's amazing how liberals think that companies have this secret vault of excess cash that the can just shell out, and this cash will somehow find it's way into the pockets of all the middle class and poor. That increased expenditure will result in the poor and middle class picking up the difference. I read a story where the owner of a pizza company in California decided to in crease the minimum wage early. His business is down 25%, he can no longer stay open for lunch, and he fears having to shut his shop down after 18 years. The problem is he's charging $30 for a pizza now.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/08/17/california-15-minimum-wage-30-per-pizza-massive-fail/
That's what taxing and charging companies more will do in a nutshell, and it drives me nuts reading the pejorative term "trickle down" and thinking taxing the rich will do the poor any good at all. It's the opposite.
Think of it this way. So, a CEO does some amazing financial engineering of the company's stock and juices it up 25% in a year ... for that, he gets a 35 million dollar bonus package. Now, that same CEO could have gotten a 5 million dollar package and the extra 30 million could have been divided up to distribute $5,000 bonuses to 6,000 different employees. Which scenario would be better for the economy, the health of the nation and the team morale of the company? I'm not trying to be a dick here, this is a serious question.
So what happens to the companies that don't do that well? They'll end up laying people off, raising prices,etc. CEO's wont be selling their cars and houses to cover their losses from increased taxes. We will end up paying no matter what.
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What's that got to do with the scenario he reported on?
Often, companies don't have to increase expense or pay out more to pay their people better ... they just need to split the payouts more evenly just like it was done prior to the 80's. Back then, CEO's were averaging 25-30X in terms of total income vs the lowest paid people in the company ... now it's 200-500X ... think about that. And that doesn't even take into account outsourcing which would take that to 5,000X ...
This story is about a individual business owner of 4 restaurants dealing with a higher minimum wage, not a corporation and its CEO rolling around with millions of dollars every quarter.
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This story is about a individual business owner of 4 restaurants dealing with a higher minimum wage, not a corporation and its CEO rolling around with millions of dollars every quarter.
I'd have to visit the restaurant, taste the pizza and experience the service to give you an answer here. Most businesses fail because of poor quality and/or low value proposition. Where I live, there are a lot of pizza places. The more expensive ones with the BEST Pizza tend to be the busiest.
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This story is about a individual business owner of 4 restaurants dealing with a higher minimum wage, not a corporation and its CEO rolling around with millions of dollars every quarter.
I'd have to visit the restaurant, taste the pizza and experience the service to give you an answer here. Most businesses fail because of poor quality and/or low value proposition. Where I live, there are a lot of pizza places. The more expensive ones with the BEST Pizza tend to be the busiest.
It's impossible to imagine a scenario where a labor intensive small business becomes unprofitable when it's forced to move wages 25-50% higher?
I don't really care about the pizza if it was a profitable business just a few months ago.
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It's impossible to imagine a scenario where a labor intensive small business becomes unprofitable when it's forced to move wages 25-50% higher?
I don't really care about the pizza if it was a profitable business just a few months ago.
In my town, you can get the same sized pizza at one place for $9.99 and another for $28.
You do the math. More often than not, the place selling the for $28 is busier.
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