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9/11 every second
    #22129496 - 08/23/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

2,977 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks. 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world.

"Over 56 BILLION farmed animals are killed every year by humans. More than 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world. These shocking figures do not even include fish and other sea creatures whose deaths are so great they are only measured in tonnes. "-- http://www.animalequality.net/food

Current world population: (human) ~7.36 billion

If you killed every human in the world 7 times over, that's how many animals are killed every year.


"Assuming that we start counting from about 50,000 B.C., the time when modern Homo sapiens appeared on the earth (and not from 700,000 B.C. when the ancestors of Homo sapiens appeared, or several million years ago when hominids were present), taking into account that all population data are a rough estimate, and assuming a constant growth rate applied to each period up to modern times, it has been estimated that a total of approximately 106 billion people have been born since the dawn of the human species, making the population currently alive roughly 6% of all people who have ever lived on planet Earth." --  http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

If you killed every single human born from the dawn of time until now, it would equal approximately the number of animals killed every 2 years.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous] * 3
    #22129504 - 08/23/15 02:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We should kill them faster. Then delicious meat would be cheaper.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22129511 - 08/23/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I see your point, but what are you trying to achieve with this post? Animals are delicious + people need to eat = people kill animals.
Lots of people + needing to eat multiple times a day = people need to kill more animals then there are people to keep up.

Sure we could eat plants exclusively, but why? The simple fact is if we didn't kill off a lot of these animals they would suffer from overpopulation which would in turn damage the ecosystem so....

As long as we aren't making any species go extinct I don't see an issue here.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22129531 - 08/23/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I see your point, but what are you trying to achieve with this post? Animals are delicious + people need to eat = people kill animals.



With this line of reasoning, cannibalism is ok.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22129533 - 08/23/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You kill plants to eat them. With that line of reasoning, killing off every plant on the face of the planet is ok.

Ridiculous right? Yeah, that's how ridiculous you sound.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22129536 - 08/23/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If you killed every human in the world 7 times over, that's how many animals are killed every year.







Thats not that bad only 7 animals each a year. I bet if you eat a lot of small animals like chicken its much higher.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22129537 - 08/23/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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2,977 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks. 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world.

"Over 56 BILLION farmed animals are killed every year by humans. More than 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world. These shocking figures do not even include fish and other sea creatures whose deaths are so great they are only measured in tonnes. "-- http://www.animalequality.net/food

Current world population: (human) ~7.36 billion

If you killed every human in the world 7 times over, that's how many animals are killed every year.


"Assuming that we start counting from about 50,000 B.C., the time when modern Homo sapiens appeared on the earth (and not from 700,000 B.C. when the ancestors of Homo sapiens appeared, or several million years ago when hominids were present), taking into account that all population data are a rough estimate, and assuming a constant growth rate applied to each period up to modern times, it has been estimated that a total of approximately 106 billion people have been born since the dawn of the human species, making the population currently alive roughly 6% of all people who have ever lived on planet Earth." --  http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

If you killed every single human born from the dawn of time until now, it would equal approximately the number of animals killed every 2 years.





So what you are saying is....start eating people, we are wasting meat.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous] * 2
    #22129539 - 08/23/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's how nature works.. go yell at God everytime you turn on the Discovery channel and a pride of lions are tearing a cape buffalo apart and then start to eat it before it's dead, or when a pack of wolves rip apart a fox.  Or when your friendly putty tat kills a bird, only to walk away from it to let it rot in the sun.

You think you're above the law?  Son, you're in for a shocker.. this isn't the wide world of Disney..


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Amanita86]
    #22129554 - 08/23/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's how nature works.. go yell at God everytime you turn on the Discovery channel and a pride of lions are tearing a cape buffalo apart and then start to eat it before it's dead, or when a pack of wolves rip apart a fox.  Or when your friendly putty tat kills a bird, only to walk away from it to let it rot in the sun.




Or when the nazis gassed millions of "Jews". Well, that's just the way the world works right? If the animals do it -- it's ok for humans to do it.

To Hitler, anyone who wasn't an "Aryan" was an "animal". To the founders of the U.S., humans with black skin were "animals" and it was ok to kill them.

Might does not make right.

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22129563 - 08/23/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

See that right there tells me you're so far out of the realm of reality...

You're talking about nature.. pump your vegitarian shit at a carnivore, let me know where that get's you..

Here's some depth for you, some might call it contradicting, but both sides of the equasion are true..

Hitler's not how the world "works", it's an example of how the world 'gets' "worked".. but check it out, last time I checked us humans are infact primates.. ever study primates?

Primates are of nature.. within the whole.. so yes, Hitler is an example of how the world works...

But a different example, than one that brings light to how animals ingest food, and keep that balance in working effect..

The fact you would compare those two very different examples as if their somehow one and the same, lets me know that you might want to hit the drawing board once more, and stock up on your facts before heading to the megaphone, with your findings (ideals)


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22129565 - 08/23/15 03:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The simple fact is if we didn't kill off a lot of these animals they would suffer from overpopulation which would in turn damage the ecosystem so....




that is complete redonkulousness..
u should be ashamed of yourself


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22129567 - 08/23/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
It's how nature works.. go yell at God everytime you turn on the Discovery channel and a pride of lions are tearing a cape buffalo apart and then start to eat it before it's dead, or when a pack of wolves rip apart a fox.  Or when your friendly putty tat kills a bird, only to walk away from it to let it rot in the sun.




Or when the nazis gassed millions of "Jews". Well, that's just the way the world works right? If the animals do it -- it's ok for humans to do it.

To Hitler, anyone who wasn't an "Aryan" was an "animal". To the founders of the U.S., humans with black skin were "animals" and it was ok to kill them.

Might does not make right.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."



You've got to be a troll. If you're not, you should be cleansed from the gene pool immediately.

Your arguments are absolutely absurd.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: mindbodysoul]
    #22129571 - 08/23/15 04:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr.Satan said:
The simple fact is if we didn't kill off a lot of these animals they would suffer from overpopulation which would in turn damage the ecosystem so....




that is complete redonkulousness..
u should be ashamed of yourself



No, actually it's not.  Anyone who's spent more time outside than in a man made dwelling has most likely seen personally the effect of overpopulation in some sector of the animal kingdom..  face it man, not everything was meant to see old age... it's just the way it is.. yell at God.

"Food for the stomach, stomach for the food"..

Humans are without a doubt the main target in this overpopulation factor now, so whether right or wrong brace yourself.. and teach your kids to do the same.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22129573 - 08/23/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You've got to be a troll. If you're not, you should be cleansed from the gene pool immediately.

Your arguments are absolutely absurd.



Genetic cleansing eh?

You're sounding more like Hitler by the minute.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22129577 - 08/23/15 04:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Again another absurd leap to justify your ridiculous stance. When did I ever say your race should be removed? No I'm speaking entirely about you. You should not be allowed to spread your genes. I'm the farthest thing from Hitler you can get to, aside from the hippie all peace PC bullshit. I'm not deciding an entire race is inferior and should be cleansed. I'm doing it on a case by case basis.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22129588 - 08/23/15 04:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not deciding an entire race is inferior and should be cleansed. I'm doing it on a case by case basis.



Oh -- I see -- not Hitler at all. 

My man -- you're sick. You need help.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22129601 - 08/23/15 04:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So what exactly is your problem with eating animals? I don't want to hear the ignorant "because it's wrong" bullshit either. I want an articulate answer as to why you think people should stop killing animals to eat. How will this have a positive effect on the world?


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22129604 - 08/23/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yep, I'm sick. Seen the second season of Hannibal? I'd like to make you eat yourself. I don't have much medical expertise, but I'm sure I could manage.
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So what exactly is your problem with eating animals? I don't want to hear the ignorant "because it's wrong" bullshit either. I want an articulate answer as to why you think people should stop killing animals to eat. How will this have a positive effect on the world?



We shouldn't. We evolved to be omnivores. Omnivore doesn't mean either or, it means both.* This displeases me. I'd actually prefer to be built to live on only meat.

Before someone goes down that road, yes you will find places that say it means either. This is incorrect. Our bodies are "built around the idea" of consuming both. We lack the specializations of both carnivores and herbivores. We may be smart enough to overcome this through other means, but in general, omnivore means both.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22129608 - 08/23/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yep, I'm sick. Seen the second season of Hannibal? I'd like to make you eat yourself. I don't have much medical expertise, but I'm sure I could manage.
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Dr.Satan said:
So what exactly is your problem with eating animals? I don't want to hear the ignorant "because it's wrong" bullshit either. I want an articulate answer as to why you think people should stop killing animals to eat. How will this have a positive effect on the world?



We shouldn't. We evolved to be omnivores. Omnivore doesn't mean either or, it means both. This displeases me. I'd actually prefer to be built to live on only meat.




I'm just trying to see if he can even come up with a legitimate answer. He seems like one of those naive people who think eating salads instead of meat some how makes him a better person then us :lol: Like the biggest problem on earth is the fact we eat too many animals, what a heap of shit. If he wants to go all hippy on us at least talk about a REAL issue like pollution or something fuck sakes.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22129611 - 08/23/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He's not going to give a rational argument. Look at how things fucking progressed from his first post and his second post. You trying to extend the olive branch somehow translated into you saying cannibalism is okay. The fuck. Dude's either a straight up troll or is so far beyond a rational thought he should be in a straight jacket being fed jello after taking his pills.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: mindbodysoul] * 1
    #22129612 - 08/23/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr.Satan said:
The simple fact is if we didn't kill off a lot of these animals they would suffer from overpopulation which would in turn damage the ecosystem so....




that is complete redonkulousness..
u should be ashamed of yourself




You people are the reason the seal hunt got cancelled. You cannot comprehend they eat all the fish and deplete the fish stocks. What the fuck do you think seals eat? 100x times the population means they eat 100x the amount of fish. Yes failure to manage populations destroy ecosystems. Animal rights people are always so batshit crazy, become a enviro fag at least they understand overpopulation.
Culling happens all over the world. It's why you don't get chased home by a pack wolves every night, its why packs of dingos don't terrorize Australian towns.
It's not just overpopulation either, invasive species need to be culled too.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22129614 - 08/23/15 04:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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He's not going to give a rational argument. Look at how things fucking progressed from his first post and his second post. You trying to extend the olive branch somehow translated into you saying cannibalism is okay. The fuck. Dude's either a straight up troll or is so far beyond a rational thought he should be in a straight jacket being fed jello after taking his pills.



:lol: For real. I was happy to see you and amanita covered for me in my absence. Hopefully something we've said will register with this guy eventually, but I suppose there isn't very good odds of that happening he seems so convinced that he is right that he won't even consider what we are saying.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22129629 - 08/23/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

@Amantia I always find it weird when a post just completely disappears. How do you people do that? It's never even anything that a mod would dump.
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Shroomslip said:
He's not going to give a rational argument. Look at how things fucking progressed from his first post and his second post. You trying to extend the olive branch somehow translated into you saying cannibalism is okay. The fuck. Dude's either a straight up troll or is so far beyond a rational thought he should be in a straight jacket being fed jello after taking his pills.



:lol: For real. I was happy to see you and amanita covered for me in my absence. Hopefully something we've said will register with this guy eventually, but I suppose there isn't very good odds of that happening he seems so convinced that he is right that he won't even consider what we are saying.



It won't. I'm fine with vegans/vegetarians until they try giving some lame ass speech like the OP. It's annoying as fuck. Who the hell do these people think they are to defy millions of years of evolution? "Don't eat meat, it's cruel". Bitch, STFU. You wouldn't even be here to complain about it if we hadn't.

Animals and plants are both living things, why is it okay to kill one and not the other? Because one can't show signs of distress or consciousness? Maybe you should dig a bit into horticulture. Plants can very definitively show signs of distress (the smell of cut grass is actually a distress call). There is even some arguments that can be made that say that they have consciousness.

Your mass murder for food is no different than my mass murder for food, except in the truly unintelligent who point to the living creature in question and saying "It has a brain! That's wrong!"


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22129631 - 08/23/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol, you saw my ninja delete?

You just hit edit and below the text box is an option to delete. I wasn't worried about it catching a mods attention, just on further review felt it didn't really serve the purpose I origionally intended it to, so I erased it..


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Amanita86]
    #22129640 - 08/23/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I caught it, I tend to catch a lot of them. Just never had any idea how people do it. Most posts that get deleted just say "post deleted".

Huh okay just tested it worked. Is there some kinda time limit? I've seen people go back hours later to delete a bunch of posts and it always just says post deleted.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22129641 - 08/23/15 05:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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@Amantia I always find it weird when a post just completely disappears. How do you people do that? It's never even anything that a mod would dump.
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He's not going to give a rational argument. Look at how things fucking progressed from his first post and his second post. You trying to extend the olive branch somehow translated into you saying cannibalism is okay. The fuck. Dude's either a straight up troll or is so far beyond a rational thought he should be in a straight jacket being fed jello after taking his pills.



:lol: For real. I was happy to see you and amanita covered for me in my absence. Hopefully something we've said will register with this guy eventually, but I suppose there isn't very good odds of that happening he seems so convinced that he is right that he won't even consider what we are saying.



It won't. I'm fine with vegans/vegetarians until they try giving some lame ass speech like the OP.



Exactly. I don't have any problem with them either until they try to make it seem like they are superior for it. Pisses me off because one could more logically argue they are the opposite. Simple minded people I guess. They just don't take the time to look at the bigger picture. I don't typically even try to educate them as to why their beliefs are misguided, but when they try to make claims like the OP I feel obligated. They always try that guilt trip bs :rofl: I would kill every animal I ate myself if I had to. Wouldn't think twice, it's just human nature. Which is exactly why the guilt trip shit doesn't fly with me.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22129645 - 08/23/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you delete it before someone posts again it will disappear, if some does post, you'll get that 'post deleted' thing.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22129647 - 08/23/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'd actually prefer to hunt for my own meat. I don't have the money to move out into the middle of nowhere though. There's not a lot of good game roaming through the city and even if there was, I'm not allowed to hunt it. Trap it maybe. I'm not going to survive off of random birds and squirrels though.
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If you delete it before someone posts again it will disappear, if some does post, you'll get that 'post deleted' thing.



Thanks for clearing it up, I've actually wondered about that for quite awhile :lol:


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22129653 - 08/23/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd actually prefer to hunt for my own meat. I don't have the money to move out into the middle of nowhere though. There's not a lot of good game roaming through the city and even if there was, I'm not allowed to hunt it. Trap it maybe. I'm not going to survive off of random birds and squirrels though.
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If you delete it before someone posts again it will disappear, if some does post, you'll get that 'post deleted' thing.



Thanks for clearing it up, I've actually wondered about that for quite awhile :lol:



Venison and gator are the best things ever to hunt :laugh:. The experience is great plus the fresh meat can't be beat. And yea that's good to know amanita I wasn't aware of that either.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22129746 - 08/23/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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2,977 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks. 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world.

"Over 56 BILLION farmed animals are killed every year by humans. More than 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world. These shocking figures do not even include fish and other sea creatures whose deaths are so great they are only measured in tonnes. "-- http://www.animalequality.net/food

Current world population: (human) ~7.36 billion

If you killed every human in the world 7 times over, that's how many animals are killed every year.


"Assuming that we start counting from about 50,000 B.C., the time when modern Homo sapiens appeared on the earth (and not from 700,000 B.C. when the ancestors of Homo sapiens appeared, or several million years ago when hominids were present), taking into account that all population data are a rough estimate, and assuming a constant growth rate applied to each period up to modern times, it has been estimated that a total of approximately 106 billion people have been born since the dawn of the human species, making the population currently alive roughly 6% of all people who have ever lived on planet Earth." --  http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

If you killed every single human born from the dawn of time until now, it would equal approximately the number of animals killed every 2 years.





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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: luvdemboomers] * 2
    #22129751 - 08/23/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Me too. Just in chickens alone I eat dozens of those little bastards.

Chicken probably accounts for the majority of animal I eat. chicken is chicken, nearly universal quality. Beef, pork, fish and everything else, to get the good shit, you've really gotta shell out money for it.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22129778 - 08/23/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22129803 - 08/23/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They always try that guilt trip bs :rofl: I would kill every animal I ate myself if I had to.




I think people should do this

eating meat too often is not good for the environment and I think that soon we will be eating less of it, that's more my argument

I feel a lot better eating something that was from nature or at least had decent living conditions and was not given hormones


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: ergoticmandala] * 1
    #22129821 - 08/23/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Its funny how theres still many starving people even though billions of animals are killed


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22129829 - 08/23/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Depends on where you're talking about people starving. A lot of places simply don't have the slaughter business built up to "our" standards. In some places slaughtering an animal to feed an entire village is only reserved for very special circumstances (which roughly translate to once or twice a year). In other places, like "here", you need permits and shit to just hand out food to all the hungry people. Not uncommon for someone with a good heart to go and try to establish a place to feed those that need to be fed of their own volition and money, only to have it shut down by bureaucracy almost immediately. Somehow having them beg for food from total strangers or eating out of dumpsters is more safe than someone setting up a tent and offering food.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22131244 - 08/23/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So what exactly is your problem with eating animals? I don't want to hear the ignorant "because it's wrong" bullshit either. I want an articulate answer as to why you think people should stop killing animals to eat. How will this have a positive effect on the world?



Did it occur to you that humans are animals???

So why don't you answer -- what's wrong with eating humans?

And now I'll answer it myself --

It's wrong to eat humans because we don't want to be eaten. Racists think that racism is ok -- as long as it isn't against them. Thieves think that stealing is fine -- as long as they're not the one who gets robbed.

You only think it's wrong to do things that affect you adversely, and you don't care if you do the same thing to others.

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22131273 - 08/23/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"Assuming that we start counting from about 50,000 B.C., the time when modern Homo sapiens appeared on the earth (and not from 700,000 B.C. when the ancestors of Homo sapiens appeared, or several million years ago when hominids were present), taking into account that all population data are a rough estimate, and assuming a constant growth rate applied to each period up to modern times, it has been estimated that a total of approximately 106 billion people have been born since the dawn of the human species, making the population currently alive roughly 6% of all people who have ever lived on planet Earth." --  http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/





These assumptions aren't even remotely accurate. I guarantee it. Populations never grow linearly. All of the reliable population models are non-linear. The simpler ones are exponential. You might think, "Oh, exponential growth, must be higher..." This is not true for humans though. Up to this point are growth has been less than linear. We haven't hit our maximum rate of growth yet.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Amanita86]
    #22131296 - 08/23/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's how nature works.. go yell at God everytime you turn on the Discovery channel and a pride of lions are tearing a cape buffalo apart and then start to eat it before it's dead, or when a pack of wolves rip apart a fox.




Well -- this is what God says:
The wolf shall couch then with the lamb, the leopard’s lair shall be the kid’s; the lion shall eat straw like any ox, wolf and lion shall graze side by side, herded by a little child; the cow and the bear shall be friends, and their young lie down together; the infant shall play at the hole of an asp, with the baby’s feet at the nest of a viper.

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22131304 - 08/23/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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We should kill them faster. Then delicious meat would be cheaper.



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    #22131341 - 08/23/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's how nature works.. go yell at God everytime you turn on the Discovery channel and a pride of lions are tearing a cape buffalo apart and then start to eat it before it's dead, or when a pack of wolves rip apart a fox.  Or when your friendly putty tat kills a bird, only to walk away from it to let it rot in the sun.




Or when the nazis gassed millions of "Jews". Well, that's just the way the world works right? If the animals do it -- it's ok for humans to do it.

To Hitler, anyone who wasn't an "Aryan" was an "animal". To the founders of the U.S., humans with black skin were "animals" and it was ok to kill them.

Might does not make right.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."



You ever hear of godwins law? 8 posts in and you already lost your own argument. This is easily the most retarded thread I've seen on this site.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22131347 - 08/23/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

...worst natural disaster...
...tonnes of people killed...
...McDonald's no longer serves human meat...
...news at eleven...

Over population of animals has a natural balance. It teeters and totters, from one species onto another. The reasoning of eating meat to be one of controlling overpopulation is really silly - it's like humans have this superior desire to be in control of every-single-little-thing on the entire planet, and as soon as nature shows who's boss, all hell breaks loose and more funding must be set aside to re-establish humanity's control.

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22131354 - 08/23/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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We should kill them faster. Then delicious meat would be cheaper.





YES! Get into mah belly, delicious animal! Hnghgnhghgn! :fatbastard:


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22131365 - 08/23/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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...Plants can very definitively show signs of distress (the smell of cut grass is actually a distress call). There is even some arguments that can be made that say that they have consciousness...




I have often wondered why so many neurotransmitters are found in plants. Many, many plants contain the same chemicals that are in our brains and thought to be involved in consciousness. The pollen of some pine trees have testosterone. Obviously, DMT is found in plants. Even serotonin can be found in some plants.

Also, as you pointed out, plants show signs of distress. They also show signs of awareness. You can see this if you put a sun-loving plant near a window. The top of the plant will lean over and pull toward the sunlight. IMO, plants have some sense of awareness.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22131459 - 08/23/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

People were raising animals for milk and meat before agrecultire
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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22131462 - 08/23/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Its funny how theres still many starving people even though billions of animals are killed



Not in the future.. with the way we're killing natural balance, plants arent going to put up with it long.. plants have to be healthy to provide "fruit".. animals can be diseased and basicly dead, and there's still meat/organ/intestine, to "scavenge"..

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So what exactly is your problem with eating animals? I don't want to hear the ignorant "because it's wrong" bullshit either. I want an articulate answer as to why you think people should stop killing animals to eat. How will this have a positive effect on the world?



Did it occur to you that humans are animals???

So why don't you answer -- what's wrong with eating humans?

And now I'll answer it myself --

It's wrong to eat humans because we don't want to be eaten. Racists think that racism is ok -- as long as it isn't against them. Thieves think that stealing is fine -- as long as they're not the one who gets robbed.

You only think it's wrong to do things that affect you adversely, and you don't care if you do the same thing to others.

That's what's wrong with it.



There's actually adverse side effects that occur when humans cannibalize.  Not all animals are this way, but that's how nature dictates for us... so, no human eating.


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It's how nature works.. go yell at God everytime you turn on the Discovery channel and a pride of lions are tearing a cape buffalo apart and then start to eat it before it's dead, or when a pack of wolves rip apart a fox.




Well -- this is what God says:
The wolf shall couch then with the lamb, the leopard’s lair shall be the kid’s; the lion shall eat straw like any ox, wolf and lion shall graze side by side, herded by a little child; the cow and the bear shall be friends, and their young lie down together; the infant shall play at the hole of an asp, with the baby’s feet at the nest of a viper.

None shall injure, none shall kill, anywhere on My sacred hill, for the land shall be as full of the knowledge of the Lord as the ocean bed is full of water.  –
Isaiah, 11, 6

God is not the one who is deaf.




You're so full of shit.. why dont you include the part just before that where it defines the time in which what you quoted is to occur?  Or even the context of which it was said?  Because it would defeat your bullshit threads intent, thats why... yeah, that's a quote from the good book alright... but it sure as shit isnt talking about right now.. sorry to burst your agenda... I mean, bubble..


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    #22131499 - 08/23/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You're so full of shit.. why dont you include the part just before that where it defines the time in which what you quoted is to occur?  Because it would defeat your bullshit threads intent, thats why... yeah, that's a quote from the good book alright... but it sure as shit isnt talking about right now.. sorry to burst your agenda... I mean, bubble..







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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22131546 - 08/23/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Look, you just blew your whole game plan mis-quoting the bible the way you did... I've met people like you before..

On a real not, you can't cherry pick things like quotes and twist them to fit your fantasy.. it's not how that works.  What's real fucked up is when "people in positions of power" do this and fuck everyone..

Take a look around you...Im guessing of just about everyone in this thread you're probably the luckiest one, in regards to things being set up the way they are.  Because I know you're not walking out in those woods and living to tell the tale..

Killing sucks, yeah, anyone with a heart can tell you that... I pull turtles off the road all the time etc.  Things like that.  Killing sucks and it's not fair.  But this life is not FAIR!!  The sooner you realize this the sooner you'll actually be able to make a positive impact, because you can relate to suffering.  And then take it upon yourself to help those around you suffering..

Right now you're pretty much attacking the doctor, 'because sickness'.. it's not the doctor's fucking fault that there is sickness.  ITS THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS...  wake up already.  If you're not part of the solution,.....


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Arctic W. Fox] * 1
    #22131554 - 08/23/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You're so full of shit.. why dont you include the part just before that where it defines the time in which what you quoted is to occur?  Because it would defeat your bullshit threads intent, thats why... yeah, that's a quote from the good book alright... but it sure as shit isnt talking about right now.. sorry to burst your agenda... I mean, bubble..









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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Amanita86]
    #22131564 - 08/23/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
It's how nature works.. go yell at God everytime you turn on the Discovery channel and a pride of lions are tearing a cape buffalo apart and then start to eat it before it's dead, or when a pack of wolves rip apart a fox.




Well -- this is what God says:
The wolf shall couch then with the lamb, the leopard’s lair shall be the kid’s; the lion shall eat straw like any ox, wolf and lion shall graze side by side, herded by a little child; the cow and the bear shall be friends, and their young lie down together; the infant shall play at the hole of an asp, with the baby’s feet at the nest of a viper.

None shall injure, none shall kill, anywhere on My sacred hill, for the land shall be as full of the knowledge of the Lord as the ocean bed is full of water.  –
Isaiah, 11, 6

God is not the one who is deaf.




You're so full of shit.. why dont you include the part just before that where it defines the time in which what you quoted is to occur?  Or even the context of which it was said?  Because it would defeat your bullshit threads intent, thats why... yeah, that's a quote from the good book alright... but it sure as shit isnt talking about right now.. sorry to burst your agenda... I mean, bubble..



Wrong. It is happening now.

The passage says "None will injure, none will kill, anywhere on My Sacred Hill -- for the land shall be as full of the Knowledge of the Lord as the ocean bed is full of water."

That's when it's going to happen.

It's not happening where you live, because you and your friends are not "full of the knowledge of the Lord."


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22131574 - 08/23/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

...troll


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22131579 - 08/23/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I heard not to take that verse literally. It was supposed to be talking about nations,not individuals


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22131591 - 08/23/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dude's got it all jacked.  He's apparently never read a verse in that book other than what he quoted.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Amanita86]
    #22131656 - 08/23/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dude's got it all jacked.  He's apparently never read a verse in that book other than what he quoted.



Hear the word of the LORD, You rulers of Sodom; Give ear to the instruction of our God, You people of Gomorrah. "What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle; And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats. "When you come to appear before Me, Who requires of you this trampling of My courts?… -- Isaiah 1, 11


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22131728 - 08/23/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Are you being serious?


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Amanita86]
    #22131771 - 08/23/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Great. Now look what you did - you pissed him off.

Angry bible passages with random capitalizations from now on, I can already see it coming.

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22131891 - 08/23/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That was a cut and paste from http://biblehub.com/isaiah/1-11.htm. Usually I like to use the Moffat translation for Isaiah, but I'm in a bit of a hurry at the moment.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22131902 - 08/23/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm guessing you are a god-fearing person? Afraid of your loving creator?


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22131908 - 08/23/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No...just another person with an agenda and a few slick talking out of context quotes to go throw at them internet folks..


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    #22131921 - 08/23/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

LOL

I thought so.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22132063 - 08/23/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm guessing you are a god-fearing person? Afraid of your loving creator?



Have you ever eaten a large amount of an Entheogen and felt afraid?


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22132096 - 08/23/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you ever eaten a large amount of an Entheogen and felt afraid?




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    #22132164 - 08/23/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm fine with vegans/vegetarians until they try giving some lame ass speech like the OP. It's annoying as fuck. Who the hell do these people think they are to defy millions of years of evolution? "Don't eat meat, it's cruel". Bitch, STFU.




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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22132174 - 08/23/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you ever eaten a large amount of an Entheogen and felt afraid?




What's there to be afraid of?




MY TRIP REPORT: The most terrifying and magical experience of my life! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17563541

‘I thought I was dead': Liverpool student speaks of his terrifying encounter with psychedelic drug ‘  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21071712

terrified  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4109442

Just the first 3 hits out of 400 pages in a search of the Shroomery under the word "terrified".


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    #22132179 - 08/23/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

hey endogenous

i'm about to toss a steak on the grill

gonna dedicate it to you


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Amanita86]
    #22132189 - 08/23/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's how nature works.. go yell at God everytime you turn on the Discovery channel and a pride of lions are tearing a cape buffalo apart and then start to eat it before it's dead, or when a pack of wolves rip apart a fox.  Or when your friendly putty tat kills a bird, only to walk away from it to let it rot in the sun.

You think you're above the law?  Son, you're in for a shocker.. this isn't the wide world of Disney..



Yup.

Thats the way this world is son. Even if humans stopped eating meat;
A pride of lions is out there tearing apart meals limb from limb and feasting before it is dead.
Even more savagery and brutality and beastary than humanity.

Thats the way this fucking Universe works son, although, dont eat meat if you dont want to. Thats cool


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Niffla]
    #22132194 - 08/23/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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hey endogenous

i'm about to toss a steak on the grill

gonna dedicate it to you



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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22132233 - 08/23/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Just the first 3 hits out of 400 pages in a search of the Shroomery under the word "terrified".




Wimps. lol

It's my understanding that if you "Travel far enough, you meet yourself." Having a bad trip is a hard lesson about oneself that needs to be learned. Yet, it's still only a trip. For the next ten minutes, or four/eight/twelve hours, it's best to take this medicine and learn what needs knowing. The next day should be time to reflect what was and change the things that need changing, head in hands.

Everything is an opportunity to be better than I was. Fear is just the resistance to this change. Just let it go; it'll be okay.

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22132301 - 08/23/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We ate a shitload of clams.  Cooked them alive

Do you now how animals die in the wild?    Eaten by other animals in a rather painful manner.  The lucky ones are those poisoned by extremely venomous snakes since it's quicker.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22132304 - 08/23/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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2,977 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks. 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world.








good... the bastards need to die, if we didnt kill them they'd be killing us


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    #22132313 - 08/23/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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We ate a shitload of clams.  Cooked them alive

Do you now how animals die in the wild?    Eaten by other animals in a rather painful manner.  The lucky ones are those poisoned by extremely venomous snakes since it's quicker.





are you saying it's better to die a slow but mostly painless death than to have
your guts ripped out and eaten in front of you while you're watching


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    #22132325 - 08/23/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22132367 - 08/23/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)






There is a place for all of Gods creatures.
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    #22132414 - 08/23/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You kill plants to eat them. With that line of reasoning, killing off every plant on the face of the planet is ok.

Ridiculous right? Yeah, that's how ridiculous you sound.



I think this too, if you REALLY value all life you'd be pissed when people eat fruits and veggies, I think it's despicable and childish to compare the World Trade Centers being destroyed to the plight of vegetarians. It's not comparable period.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: joe666]
    #22132483 - 08/23/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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There is a place for all of Gods creatures.
It's next to the potatoes and gravy.



That's what I'm talking about right there.  I dont see any obvious entry/exit but I see that little brush of blood at his front right shoulder.. looks like a clean go to me. :thumbup:


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    #22132489 - 08/23/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22132520 - 08/23/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Animals are tasty as fuck. Your message is stupid. We need to eat animals. Humans could not live without the tasty friend chicken in my avatar


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    #22133753 - 08/24/15 02:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, one thing I have to say about you people -- you've proven that you are indeed, animals.

Woe to you if you run into someone stronger than you, as cold-hearted towards you as you are towards your fellow creatures and  who thinks like you.



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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22133755 - 08/24/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Just the first 3 hits out of 400 pages in a search of the Shroomery under the word "terrified".




Wimps. lol



Arrogance.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22133760 - 08/24/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What a revelation, we're animals. So are you.

You kill plants to fill your stomach, you're no better than the rest of us. Unless you want to give me some kind of valid reason on why an animal's life is more sacred than a plant's life. Or why taking a plant's life in the name of food is less heinous than taking an animal's life for food.

Also, once again, just STFU. If we hadn't ate meat throughout our entire history of evolution, you wouldn't be here to bitch about how it's cruel.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22133774 - 08/24/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

9/11 caused human deaths,
and slaughterhouses cause animal deaths
which make the whole world possible.
Until a cow can build a rocket that will deflect an asteroid and save the whole human population,
humans have the rights to call the shots.

I find nothing immoral about eating animals,
eating meat in no way reflects how you will treat humans.
Granted, slaughterhouses have terrible conditions sometimes
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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22133783 - 08/24/15 03:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What a revelation, we're animals. So are you.




No -- you are a spiritual animal. That's the type of animal I am referring to.

Cast out the animal nature which is within you, and do not allow base thought to enter you. For ... you know the way which I teach. -- Teachings of St. Silvanus (Gnostic)

5 For forty-two months the beast was allowed to mouth its boast and blasphemies and to do whatever it wanted; 6 and it mouthed its blasphemies against God, against his name, his heavenly Tent and all those who are sheltered there. 7 It was allowed to make war against the saints and conquer them, and given power over every race, people, language and nation: 8 and all of the people of the world will worship it, that is, everybody whose name has not been written down since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the sacrificial Lamb. 9 If anyone has ears to hear, let him listen.

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22133804 - 08/24/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The bible is not evidence for anything. Also, in order for your argument to be valid, you  first have to prove we are spiritual beings. Although I think we are spiritual beings, my opinion is purely based on no evidence, and realize that it is an invalid argument even though I believe so I never bring it up in debates.

We're the only animals that can save the world from an Asteroid. That means to me if we need to feed the world by killing some cows so we can achieve that, THUS SAVING ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET...well then bring on the burger.


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What a revelation, we're animals. So are you.




No -- you are a spiritual animal. That's the type of animal I am referring to.

Cast out the animal nature which is within you, and do not allow base thought to enter you. For ... you know the way which I teach. -- Teachings of St. Silvanus (Gnostic)

5 For forty-two months the beast was allowed to mouth its boast and blasphemies and to do whatever it wanted; 6 and it mouthed its blasphemies against God, against his name, his heavenly Tent and all those who are sheltered there. 7 It was allowed to make war against the saints and conquer them, and given power over every race, people, language and nation: 8 and all of the people of the world will worship it, that is, everybody whose name has not been written down since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the sacrificial Lamb. 9 If anyone has ears to hear, let him listen: 10 Captivity for those who are destined for captivity; the sword for those who are to die by the sword. This is why the saints must have constancy and faith.

Revelations, 13,5



I'm sorry, I don't read ridiculous Bible bullshit. Great way to avoid my question though.


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    #22133813 - 08/24/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You must be one of the new enthusiastic scripturists.. that's good, that's how it starts..  but if I could recommend, 'offering up' your thoughts.. and accepting that feedback which will mold them/you into the one who walks in light, as God intended you to be.  And if you ever want to be taken seriously, and not cause further distortion and 'sealing off' of those who have yet to be 'shown'... learn to quote the scripture in context..it would behoove you to take this advice.

James 3:1 - Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

Matthew 23:8 - "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.

1 Timothy 1:7 - They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22133821 - 08/24/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The bible is not evidence for anything. Also, in order for your argument to be valid, you  first have to prove we are spiritual beings.



The Bible is evidence of what the people who wrote the passages believed and I accept their definitions.

They talked about "the animal nature" and encouraged people to cast it out.

One of the main tenets of the animal nature is to kill other animals -- as many of you have so eagerly sought to point out. Isaiah clearly shows the difference between the animal nature and the spiritual nature in the passage that ends with "none shall injure, none shall kill, anywhere on My Sacred Hill."

The animals in that passage may be physical animals, but they are not Spiritual animals.


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    #22133828 - 08/24/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't accept their definitions, so therefore to me you have said nothing constructive. I do not accept their definitions because the bible is nothing more than a series of fiction with a mostly true historical setting, that is basically a compilation of edits throughout the centuries. If harming animals is Animal nature, God is the biggest dog of them all. Maybe its time to put him down.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22133833 - 08/24/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The bible is not evidence for anything. Also, in order for your argument to be valid, you  first have to prove we are spiritual beings.



The Bible is evidence of what the people who wrote the passages believed



Exact-fucking-ly. It was their belief. A belief is evidence of nothing. It does not prove anything, except that people back then were fucking retarded as hell.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22133835 - 08/24/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But a chamelion gotta eat, dog...


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22133837 - 08/24/15 03:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If harming animals is Animal nature, God is the biggest dog of them all. Maybe its time to put him down.



God is Entheogens.

That is who you are putting down.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22133840 - 08/24/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

God is a lot more than that bro.. I'm here to tell you..


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22133844 - 08/24/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

God is nothing more than a dangerous, unoriginal, boring, shitty idea. Linking god with entheogens is something I find to be dangerous and stupid. It results is elitism, arrogance and impossible to follow instructions. It is the main thing that makes Leary and McKenna shitheads.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Amanita86]
    #22133857 - 08/24/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well -- you can eat a wheat wafer, or drink a glass of wine, and sing "praise the Lord, I saw the Light".

I will ingest the true Flesh of God, Entheogens, and won't have to pretend.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22133859 - 08/24/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Defining God is the truest and safest way to dissidence between two groups. I personally think the less you talk about and try to define god brings him closer. The ultimate spiritual environment is all thoughts about god are no longer externalized.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22133868 - 08/24/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

God is all.."I Am, that I Am"..

I would like to say to the bible haters, don't confuse God, and what "It's" about with the shitty interpretations you find a lot of the "followers" preaching and throwing at you.. there is gold here, and when you go to the source, you're no longer basing your thoughts on second hand accounts.

I'll leave it at that..  It would be a shame to missout, because some dumbfucks misled you into the eraser..  You want in on this, believe that.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Amanita86]
    #22133879 - 08/24/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm all for personal interpretation of the bible. In fact it is less dangerous than Churches, which is the McDonalds of Spirituality. It makes people spiritually lazy and stupid, because every week they go to church and are told how to read the bible and what everything means rather than reading it themsevles. However, the more interpretations there are of something, the more truth becomes relative, so if everyone had there "own bible" Church would become way more fragmented.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22133930 - 08/24/15 04:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The bible is not evidence for anything. Also, in order for your argument to be valid, you  first have to prove we are spiritual beings.



The Bible is evidence of what the people who wrote the passages believed and I accept their definitions.

They talked about "the animal nature" and encouraged people to cast it out.

One of the main tenets of the animal nature is to kill other animals -- as many of you have so eagerly sought to point out. Isaiah clearly shows the difference between the animal nature and the spiritual nature in the passage that ends with "none shall injure, none shall kill, anywhere on My Sacred Hill."

The animals in that passage may be physical animals, but they are not Spiritual animals.



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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22134473 - 08/24/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry but we are animals. We might have consciousness but we are still animals and primates and therefore we like to eat tasty animals because we can


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22134789 - 08/24/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Didn't this Jesus fellow like cast a spell and made a bunch of fish appear to feed these hungry people?

So Jesus is just like the people you disagree with. Wait, you're disagreeing with Jesus!?

HELL!! YOURE GOING TO HELL!!!












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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #22135468 - 08/24/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I love how rather then making his own points the OP just began quoting random bible bullshit that he felt he could apply to this topic. What a pathetic attempt to try and make is point. The reason the world isn't primarily vegetarian is because the majority of us don't have any REAL reason not to. Even if the bible said specifically not to eat meat do you really think people would stop? It's a fucking book, who cares? Unless god says something to me directly I don't believe any of that shit. Religions may have some valuable things to teach you, but the problem with them arises when people take them literally. If you honestly believe some magic dude and a ghost roamed the earth doing miracles at some point then you must also believe the 'witches' they burned on stakes back in those times were real witches :facepalm:

@Aminita once again thanks for covering for me while I was offline buddy. I just saw how that idiot tried to relate us eating animals to us somehow thinking cannibalism is ok.... like da fuck? We don't eat people because aside from the fact it's fucked up to eat a member of your own species it would make us physically sick. Obviously the OP is so busy educating himself with a bible it slipped his mind to learn REAL facts about the world rather then fictional stories.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22135566 - 08/24/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22149791 - 08/27/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I love how rather then making his own points the OP just began quoting random bible bullshit that he felt he could apply to this topic. What a pathetic attempt to try and make is point.



I started quoting the bible because some of the posters were saying that "god" made nature the way it is, with animals killing each other, so I should yell at "god".

Read the thread before posting?

Sheesh.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #22149816 - 08/27/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Didn't this Jesus fellow like cast a spell and made a bunch of fish appear to feed these hungry people?

So Jesus is just like the people you disagree with. Wait, you're disagreeing with Jesus!?

HELL!! YOURE GOING TO HELL!!!



It should be noted that some scholars contend that the Greek word for "fish weed" (a dried seaweed) has been mistranslated in this story as "fish". It is certainly true that dried fishweed would be more likely in a basket with bread, and fishweed remains a popular food among Palestinian peasants like the people to whom Jesus was speaking. Also, in the beginning of the story (Matthew 14:13) it says Jesus got to this place by boat. These people were right by the sea. If they were out of fish, why not just go on a quick fishing expedition? Surely with 5,000 men present it would not be that hard to go fishing. With this in mind, it further supports the thought that fishweed was being used, not actual fish.
-- http://www.thenazareneway.com/biblical_%20vegetarianism_denis_giron.htm

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22149818 - 08/27/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

His point is valid regardless of who first mentioned God (and it was one poster, btw). His point was you have no argument and started using the bible to make your point for you. You are the one who chose to go that route. It doesn't matter if someone else mentioned it first. Using the bible as proof or support of any argument that is not strictly based in religion, is retarded as hell. Using the bible to support arguments is what retarded Christians do when they can't put up valid arguments on their own. Anyone who resorts to the bible in an argument, has a pathetically weak stance and they know it.

"I'm right because some book written by man a couple thousand years ago supports my argument when I twist passages and ignore context or entire other passages".


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22149828 - 08/27/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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His point is valid regardless of who first mentioned God



Come on -- really???

If someone starts talking about what they believe about "god", it's wrong to quote the bible to show them they're wrong????

Albert Einstein said E=mc times 2. Now show me I'm wrong without quoting any books about or by Einstein.

Hello???


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22149840 - 08/27/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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His point is valid regardless of who first mentioned God



Come on -- really???

If someone starts talking about what they believe about "god", it's wrong to quote the bible to show them they're wrong????

Albert Einstein said E=mc times 2. Now show me I'm wrong without quoting any books about or by Einstein.

Hello???



You're kinda dense. If he had actually quoted some bible verse at you, I might agree with you. However he didn't. It was just a general reference. You are the one who chose to start going to quote entire paragraphs of the bible in place of making any sane argument. All he did was say go yell at God. You're the one who started just posting entire verses. He never even said Christian God. Just God. So again you're the one who decided to go pulling up that stupid shit. There are thousands of Gods.

If you're going to blame your decision to start quoting bible verses on him saying "god" and that it has nothing to do with your weak stance on the subject, then get to work. You've got relevant quotes to make on countless gods.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22149869 - 08/27/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, you're really grasping a straws.

To say "go yell at God" pretty much implies the Judeo-Christian one. It wouldn't, most likely, refer to Buddhism, since most people don't think that they believe there is a "God". It wouldn't refer to Hindu, Greek, or any other with multiple Gods, since he said "God" and not "Gods".

People don't usually make a general statement like that if they're referring to something other than what most of the readers would assume they're talking about. If it was a God other than the Judeo-Christian one, he would have said so. Otherwise, the statement would have been misleading.

That's not to mention that the poster didn't respond to my post by saying "I'm not talking about that God."

I think you're just trying to win an argument and aren't really thinking about what you're saying.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22149942 - 08/27/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow, you're really grasping a straws.

I think you're just trying to win an argument and aren't really thinking about what you're saying.




I could easily say those same things about you.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22151768 - 08/27/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So? I could easily say that Barack Obama is a Muslim.

It seems that many of the posters on this thread easily say things that aren't true.

But then, I arrived at becoming a vegetarian through thought, and meditation by the guidance of Entheogens.

And Entheogens have created alot of vegetarians. Just as They have created alot of anti-war, anti-greed, anti-violence protesters.

So, my posts come from alot of thought and Entheogenic guidance. Whereas those who defend animal slaughter are coming from trying to hold on to the ways that their parents taught them.

What is "ego-death" other than breaking through the brainwash of parents/society in order to gain the Entheogenic Guidance?


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous] * 2
    #22151788 - 08/27/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So? I could easily say that Barack Obama is a Muslim.

It seems that many of the posters on this thread easily say things that aren't true.



Yeah i totally feel you on that,theres this one poster on here who thinks people eating meat, is the equivalent of a national tragedy and an attempt to destroy another country's government.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22152696 - 08/27/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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His point is valid regardless of who first mentioned God



Come on -- really???

If someone starts talking about what they believe about "god", it's wrong to quote the bible to show them they're wrong????

Albert Einstein said E=mc times 2. Now show me I'm wrong without quoting any books about or by Einstein.

Hello???




You're wrong. Einstein determined that E=mc2. Not E=mc*2. I don't even need to quote a book to tell you that.

BTW, you're not a strict vegetarian if you eat mushrooms. They are not vegetables. And, you go on to say that it is the flesh of god. So, you are saying that eating meat is bad (probably because animals have consciousness), yet you think it's okay to eat the flesh of god. Okay, :rolleyes:.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: 4HO-DMT] * 1
    #22153964 - 08/27/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wasn't Einstein's theory proven incorrect, although heavily influential, when it was determined the speed of light is not a constant?


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    #22154062 - 08/27/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154123 - 08/27/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow, you're really grasping a straws.

To say "go yell at God" pretty much implies the Judeo-Christian one. It wouldn't, most likely, refer to Buddhism, since most people don't think that they believe there is a "God". It wouldn't refer to Hindu, Greek, or any other with multiple Gods, since he said "God" and not "Gods".

People don't usually make a general statement like that if they're referring to something other than what most of the readers would assume they're talking about. If it was a God other than the Judeo-Christian one, he would have said so. Otherwise, the statement would have been misleading.

That's not to mention that the poster didn't respond to my post by saying "I'm not talking about that God."

I think you're just trying to win an argument and aren't really thinking about what you're saying.



You're still getting hung up on one minor detail rather than addressing the entire post.

Don't get hung up on this too but.. only in a Christian's little world, where Christianity is the end all, be all of religion, does God refer to or suggest the Christian God. Just because a civilization had multiple Gods, doesn't mean they always called them Gods. Ares wasn't the "Gods of war" He was the God of war. They had Gods for all kinds of shit, and when one was relevant to whatever they were talking about, they said God.

Here you go, a nice big ass list of Gods of hunting, any of which Amantia could have been referencing by saying "God": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hunting_deities


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    #22154275 - 08/27/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So? I could easily say that Barack Obama is a Muslim.

It seems that many of the posters on this thread easily say things that aren't true.



Yeah i totally feel you on that,theres this one poster on here who thinks people eating meat, is the equivalent of a national tragedy and an attempt to destroy another country's government.



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So? I could easily say that Barack Obama is a Muslim.

It seems that many of the posters on this thread easily say things that aren't true.



Yeah i totally feel you on that,theres this one poster on here who thinks people eating meat, is the equivalent of a national tragedy and an attempt to destroy another country's government.



Yeah that guy is an annoying, immature douche



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    #22154399 - 08/27/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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There is a place for all of Gods creatures.
It's next to the potatoes and gravy.



That's what I'm talking about right there.  I dont see any obvious entry/exit but I see that little brush of blood at his front right shoulder.. looks like a clean go to me. :thumbup:





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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154406 - 08/27/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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2,977 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks. 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world.

"Over 56 BILLION farmed animals are killed every year by humans. More than 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world. These shocking figures do not even include fish and other sea creatures whose deaths are so great they are only measured in tonnes. "-- http://www.animalequality.net/food

Current world population: (human) ~7.36 billion

If you killed every human in the world 7 times over, that's how many animals are killed every year.


"Assuming that we start counting from about 50,000 B.C., the time when modern Homo sapiens appeared on the earth (and not from 700,000 B.C. when the ancestors of Homo sapiens appeared, or several million years ago when hominids were present), taking into account that all population data are a rough estimate, and assuming a constant growth rate applied to each period up to modern times, it has been estimated that a total of approximately 106 billion people have been born since the dawn of the human species, making the population currently alive roughly 6% of all people who have ever lived on planet Earth." --  http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

If you killed every single human born from the dawn of time until now, it would equal approximately the number of animals killed every 2 years.





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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: sprinkles]
    #22154412 - 08/27/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Animals die by my hand every day.  Not just one or two but many.  If anyone should be whining it's me.  shut up.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: sprinkles]
    #22154653 - 08/28/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

(I already posted this earlier, but it was added in an edit. I've added a few things to it as well.)

I arrived at becoming a vegetarian through thought, and meditation by the guidance of Entheogens.

I used to be as hard headed about being into meat eating as anyone in this thread.

Entheogens have created alot of vegetarians. Just as They have created alot of anti-war, anti-greed, anti-violence protesters.

So, my posts come from alot of thought and Entheogenic guidance. Whereas those who defend animal slaughter are coming from trying to hold on to the ways that their parents taught them.

What is "ego-death" other than breaking through the brainwash of parents/society in order to gain the Entheogenic Guidance?


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154658 - 08/28/15 01:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mushrooms make some people gay, others vegetarians. :shrug:


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154667 - 08/28/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow, you're really grasping a straws.

To say "go yell at God" pretty much implies the Judeo-Christian one. It wouldn't, most likely, refer to Buddhism, since most people don't think that they believe there is a "God". It wouldn't refer to Hindu, Greek, or any other with multiple Gods, since he said "God" and not "Gods".

People don't usually make a general statement like that if they're referring to something other than what most of the readers would assume they're talking about. If it was a God other than the Judeo-Christian one, he would have said so. Otherwise, the statement would have been misleading.

That's not to mention that the poster didn't respond to my post by saying "I'm not talking about that God."

I think you're just trying to win an argument and aren't really thinking about what you're saying.



You're still getting hung up on one minor detail rather than addressing the entire post.

Don't get hung up on this too but.. only in a Christian's little world, where Christianity is the end all, be all of religion, does God refer to or suggest the Christian God. Just because a civilization had multiple Gods, doesn't mean they always called them Gods. Ares wasn't the "Gods of war" He was the God of war. They had Gods for all kinds of shit, and when one was relevant to whatever they were talking about, they said God.

Here you go, a nice big ass list of Gods of hunting, any of which Amantia could have been referencing by saying "God": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hunting_deities



I don't get your point. If "Amanita" had meant something other than the Judeo-Christian God, (which, by the way, is also the Islamic God), I would think he would have said so by now. Also, he was quoting several passages from the Christian bible if I recall, so it seems pretty clear he was talking about the God of the Bible.

I don't really want to get into an argument about the interpretation of religion but ---

I already posted something about that there are biblical scholars who say that Christ didn't give fish to the people, and that the word was mistranslated and should have been fishweed, a type of seaweed.

As far as the Gods who were "hunters" --

As I mentioned before, there are physical animals, and there are spiritual animals, (like the "beast" in Revelations). I am a "hunter" of the spiritual animal -- and it is good to kill the spiritual "beast" (also known as the "ego").


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154679 - 08/28/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm: He said God, you quoted the Bible, he started quoting it back. Then you fucking ran with this Bible quoting bullshit instead of offering any real argument.

And of course you don't get the point of what I was saying. You're dense as hell and there is obviously not a single rational thought clunking around in that head of yours.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154684 - 08/28/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The thing is,there is a line between cruelty and farming/hunting animals for food. The point is, there is a reason behind the deaths. Once someone makes such things torturous is when it becomes wrong.

But livestock is one of the things that contributed to the success of humans. As did being a good hunter before that. The ways to kill these animals is almost always quick and painless. Slitting the throat, breaking the neck, ect.

But let us use the ideology of a lot of North American Indigenous religious beliefs for an example. If something is an omnivore, or a carnivore, it eats meat. That is nature, and we are just a part of that as well. But killing what you need is what is right. Respecting the animal you killed, or thanking it for it's death is commonplace.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22154701 - 08/28/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Fine line between food and respect for the food really does for you and how much you enjoy the flavors and understand the sacrifice so to speak. If cows were sentient I'd think twice but they aren't eve close, don't deserve wholesale torture(as pointed out that's not the point) but meat is a very natural thing to eat. Big fish eat little fish, big mammals eat smaller mammals. Truly natural


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154713 - 08/28/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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:facepalm: He said God, you quoted the Bible, he started quoting it back. Then you fucking ran with this Bible quoting bullshit instead of offering any real argument.

And of course you don't get the point of what I was saying. You're dense as hell and there is obviously not a single rational thought clunking around in that head of yours.



Right -- when you have no substance to your argument - try to look superior by using insult.

By the way - he quoted from the Christian Bible, whereas I quoted from the Hebrew one. And his quotes were by way of offering advise on how to post - which, I would think, he was doing because he was into those passages - or considers himself a "Christian".

Ok -- so here's something from one of his posts

Anyone who would choose to disprove Christian scripture, explain to me the prophecies written 'back in the day' that have all come true and can not be discredited/disproven no matter how hard people try to.  We'll use scientific proven fact, study your history and compare it to prophecy, then get back to me. :thumbup:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17431148#17431148

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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #22154725 - 08/28/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Fine line between food and respect for the food really does for you and how much you enjoy the flavors and understand the sacrifice so to speak. If cows were sentient I'd think twice but they aren't eve close, don't deserve wholesale torture(as pointed out that's not the point) but meat is a very natural thing to eat. Big fish eat little fish, big mammals eat smaller mammals. Truly natural



Big elephants don't eat small anything animal.

Fierce gorillas eat strong bananas -- and no meat.

Bonobos are vegetarians.

Guess they're not natural.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154728 - 08/28/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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:facepalm: He said God, you quoted the Bible, he started quoting it back. Then you fucking ran with this Bible quoting bullshit instead of offering any real argument.

And of course you don't get the point of what I was saying. You're dense as hell and there is obviously not a single rational thought clunking around in that head of yours.



Right -- when you have no substance to your argument - try to look superior by using insult.




As opposed to what? Having no strength in yours and hiding behind scripture? :lol: No, those are my actual judgements of you. If you take them as insults, maybe it's because I'm right? Either way I'm done with all this ring around the rosy shit.

I brought up a question on the second page you're still yet to address. Start there. There are quite a few more you've refused to address. Actually you've refused to address almost every single question and post in this thread because throwing random scripture out is not addressing it.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154760 - 08/28/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Fine line between food and respect for the food really does for you and how much you enjoy the flavors and understand the sacrifice so to speak. If cows were sentient I'd think twice but they aren't eve close, don't deserve wholesale torture(as pointed out that's not the point) but meat is a very natural thing to eat. Big fish eat little fish, big mammals eat smaller mammals. Truly natural



Big elephants don't eat small anything animal.

Fierce gorillas eat strong bananas -- and no meat.

Bonobos are vegetarians.

Guess they're not natural.



They are natures vegetarians,for the record though in the wild gorillas do eat meat when it suits them. There are a lot more animals that eat other animals. Dinosaurs were this way too natural meat eaters, vegetarians  and those that eat both.


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    #22154807 - 08/28/15 02:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Seriously_trippin said:
Fine line between food and respect for the food really does for you and how much you enjoy the flavors and understand the sacrifice so to speak. If cows were sentient I'd think twice but they aren't eve close, don't deserve wholesale torture(as pointed out that's not the point) but meat is a very natural thing to eat. Big fish eat little fish, big mammals eat smaller mammals. Truly natural



Big elephants don't eat small anything animal.

Fierce gorillas eat strong bananas -- and no meat.

Bonobos are vegetarians.

Guess they're not natural.



They are natures vegetarians,for the record though in the wild gorillas do eat meat when it suits them. There are a lot more animals that eat other animals. Dinosaurs were this way too natural meat eaters, vegetarians  and those that eat both.



Supposedly, 3% of a wild gorilla's diet comes from insects -- that's the "meat" they eat. How much they're eating insects because they happen to be on the leaves that are being eaten, I don't know.

There was a lion, that I know of, who chose to be vegetarian also.

Cows and foraging animals probably end up eating some insects that are on the plants they're eating.

I don't consider it "natural" to eat meat. It is a taught, unneeded behavior and it is less healthy than an informed vegetarian diet.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154820 - 08/28/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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:facepalm: He said God, you quoted the Bible, he started quoting it back. Then you fucking ran with this Bible quoting bullshit instead of offering any real argument.



(I posted this earlier but I don't know if you saw it since it was part of an edit.)

Ok -- so here's something from one of his (Amanita's) posts:

Anyone who would choose to disprove Christian scripture, explain to me the prophecies written 'back in the day' that have all come true and can not be discredited/disproven no matter how hard people try to.  We'll use scientific proven fact, study your history and compare it to prophecy, then get back to me. :thumbup:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17431148#17431148

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    #22154827 - 08/28/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
:facepalm: He said God, you quoted the Bible, he started quoting it back. Then you fucking ran with this Bible quoting bullshit instead of offering any real argument.



(I posted this earlier but I don't know if you saw it since it was part of an edit.)

Ok -- so here's something from one of his (Amanita's) posts:

Anyone who would choose to disprove Christian scripture, explain to me the prophecies written 'back in the day' that have all come true and can not be discredited/disproven no matter how hard people try to.  We'll use scientific proven fact, study your history and compare it to prophecy, then get back to me. :thumbup:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17431148#17431148

Ok??? -- Argument ended???



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    #22154828 - 08/28/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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endogenous said:
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Fine line between food and respect for the food really does for you and how much you enjoy the flavors and understand the sacrifice so to speak. If cows were sentient I'd think twice but they aren't eve close, don't deserve wholesale torture(as pointed out that's not the point) but meat is a very natural thing to eat. Big fish eat little fish, big mammals eat smaller mammals. Truly natural



Big elephants don't eat small anything animal.

Fierce gorillas eat strong bananas -- and no meat.

Bonobos are vegetarians.

Guess they're not natural.



They are natures vegetarians,for the record though in the wild gorillas do eat meat when it suits them. There are a lot more animals that eat other animals. Dinosaurs were this way too natural meat eaters, vegetarians  and those that eat both.



Supposedly, 3% of a wild gorilla's diet comes from insects -- that's the "meat" they eat. How much they're eating insects because they happen to be on the leaves that are being eaten, I don't know.

There was a lion, that I know of, who chose to be vegetarian also.

Cows and foraging animals probably end up eating some insects that are on the plants they're eating.

I don't consider it "natural" to eat meat. It is a taught, unneeded behavior and it is less healthy than an informed vegetarian diet.




Bullshit tell that to a bear or a shark and stop saying "End Argument?!?" after everything stupid you say,makes you look quite dull.


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    #22154829 - 08/28/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah -- chimpanzees are meat eaters. They kill each other too and have wars between different groups. Unlike the Bonobos who are vegetarians, and don't have wars, (by and large), don't kill each other and are not monogamous. They also seem to have a matriarchal society (female dominated).


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    #22154841 - 08/28/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's because meat is fucking delicious.

I practically get hard over rack of ribs, a thick steak or a brisket that's been cooked for 8 hours. :drooling: My ideal meal is like 80% meat. Something along the lines of grilled/smoke brisket, sausage, ribs and one side of some type of "vegetably crap" maybe potato salad, maybe baked beans..

If I could get away with it, I would live on meat alone. You probably won't come across many people who love it to the extent I do. Unfortunately good meat isn't cheap, and I don't have a carnivorous system.

I still say we should kill them faster. Feed the animals all the vegetables so we can fatten them up faster and harvest them for meat and pay less for it.

I'd eat OP if could :lol:


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    #22154850 - 08/28/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Chimpanzees are OMNIVORES. They have evolved to be able to have a varied diet. Humans are omnivores as well. We wouldn't have succeeded as a species if we were not omnivores. So many places people have to have lived solely on a meat based diet.

Look at the Inuit for example. The majority of their food comes from whales. They wouldn't be able to survive in the climate without it.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #22154853 - 08/28/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bullshit tell that to a bear or a shark and stop saying "End Argument?!?" after everything stupid you say,makes you look quite dull.



As I said, there was a lion who chose to be a vegetarian.

I think it's possible that any creature can become intelligent enough to become a vegetarian.

It was Entheogens that led me to become one. Entheogens are similarly available to all wild animals. Although I don't know of Entheogens in the oceans, I'm sure there must be some.

I guess saying "End of Argument?" is quite a terrible insult. Maybe (following your example), I should go with the much milder "after everything stupid you say, makes you look quite dull".

I think I'll stick with the much nastier "End of Argument???".


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    #22154861 - 08/28/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/12/84-percent-of-vegetarians-go-back-to-eating-meat.html

84% of vegetarians go back to eating meat



Of those who detox from d.a.m. (heroin) using A.A.'s methods  75% go back. But, using medical nutrition, only 25% go back.

You have to be really knowledgeable about nutrition in order to successfully detox from meat to veg.


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    #22154884 - 08/28/15 04:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd eat OP if could :lol:



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    #22154887 - 08/28/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Chimpanzees are OMNIVORES. They have evolved to be able to have a varied diet. Humans are omnivores as well. We wouldn't have succeeded as a species if we were not omnivores. So many places people have to have lived solely on a meat based diet.

Look at the Inuit for example. The majority of their food comes from whales. They wouldn't be able to survive in the climate without it.



Is this a reply fail or are you addressing me saying I can't live off meat alone? The Inuit do eat plant based matter. May not be the ratio we see elsewhere, but they do it. Living on meat alone can have some pretty bad effects on us. We have the brain power to possibly overcome it but I'd rather not have health issues I have to correct through unnatural methods. As I said earlier, omnivore doesn't really mean either-or. It means (besides unnatural measures like dietary supplements) we need both. Both types of food provide us with the things our bodies need to function normally.

A good analogy is a car. It needs a pretty precise mix of variables to run cleanly and extend it's life. You can drive your car when it's misfiring and stalling, and it may not do much harm in the short term, but over time it's going to start to take it's toll.
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I'd eat OP if could :lol:



You and Jeffrey Dahmer.



Nah he did it out of some weird perversion. I'd do it because my food eats your food, therefore you are my food. You wanna be a vegetarian? Guess what. Herbivores are below me in the food chain.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154891 - 08/28/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd eat OP if could :lol:



You and Jeffrey Dahmer.



Nah he did it out of some weird perversion. I'd do it because my food eats your food, therefore you are my food. You wanna be a vegetarian? Guess what. Herbivores are below me in the food chain.



Oh riiiight --

Dahmer was a perverted cannibal, but you wouldn't be.

Uh huh.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154900 - 08/28/15 04:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't fuck what I plan to eat.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154923 - 08/28/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that big cat made a choice, right. Also, psyches make people into pussies alot of the time, and it isn't always a healthy way to be


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22154929 - 08/28/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't have the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about.

I'm afraid to even ask you to elaborate or explain because it's probably going to be an entire paragraph of indecipherable nonsense.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154932 - 08/28/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

An animal can't 'choose' to be vegetarian, just like it doesn't choose to kill cubs, because it doesn't have reasoning. And taking psychedelics makes people into pussies, and they think they are enlightened or something, when really they are just vulnerable


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    #22154950 - 08/28/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What the fuck does that have to do with anything I've said?

Carnivores need meat to survive, their bodies are built around eating meat. Herbivores are the same. Omnivores are the same. This is just the way it is. This is evolution. Get a pet cat and feed it grass, watch what happens. Get a cow and feed it meat, watch what happens. Take the choice away from both. There you have it, evo-fucking-lution. They both die, and pretty quickly. Us being omnivores we may last a bit longer on just one with no special dietary supplements, but eventually we fall to this as well.

Animals do choose to kill their young. They do it for a number of reasons. Two of the main ones are poor genetics and because there's no guarantee they'd ever make it to breeding age and in tight spots if that's the only food available to ensure more offspring can be made, then it's nessecary for the continuation of the species to eat them and live to breed another day.

The part about psychedelics I have no idea what the fuck your point is with it. I still don't know what your point is or what you're trying to say. You aren't making any damn sense. I'm sure in your head you're making some grand argument, but you aren't. You aren't saying anything that is even remotely relevant or based in logic.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154966 - 08/28/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My reply wasn't for you :lol: I just forgot to use the reply feature. Oops.

@specialpeopleclub
The aztecs were known to consume psychedelic mushrooms quite often. They were also some of the fiercest warriors in central america, so what's your point? Plus I don't see how caring makes someone a pussy, as the majority of psych users are pretty caring IME.

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Do you have proof of the lion actually being vegetarian? Because you have to realize, lions cannot digest the majority of plants. Their digestive structure, teeth, claws, and everything were made to hunt. Overlooking that fact is idiotic. They can't chew plants well and they can't digest hard fibers.

Not anymore than you can eat grass.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22154980 - 08/28/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think you understand what facilitates a choice.
I think it was you that said earlier how drugs helped you become vegetarian. It may not have been.
We aren't the Aztrcs, we are a bunch of doughy cunts who think love and empathy are the way.
That is not evolution, and herbivores will gladly eat animals they can catch, don't think it is so simple.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22154994 - 08/28/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think I've ever been as lost as I am right now on this forum.

Is it just my meds and shit, or special just not making any sense? I can't tell who he's talking to, or what he's replying to.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22155002 - 08/28/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Herbivores stomachs, teeth, and whole freaking body are not made to eat meat. They don't eat animals because they CAN'T.

It was the person who made this thread who said they were a vegetarian, I love meat and see no moral wrong with it. IMO, it's about the same as eating anything, because it's all alive.

You don't really know aztec culture if you think they weren't about love and empathy. It was considered an honor to be sacrificed. And war was perceived to keep the world alive and appease the gods for the benefit of all. It was even said that if you were sacrificed, you would live with the gods without having to go through the trials of the underworld.

Also, one week of the year, the poor and the slaves were treated like royalty. And the rich were pretty much servants.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22155017 - 08/28/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like a whole lot of love and empathy.
Meat is easier to digest then plants are


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    #22155032 - 08/28/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, you have to look at it without a cultural bias. Such as sacrificing wasn't considered a bad thing, as in the aztec religion many of the gods sacrificed their mortal forms(by cutting out thier own heart, or flaying their own skin) to keep the world alive. So many demanded it as a sort of tribute.

Meat is easier to digest for omnivores, and it contains tons of nutrients. But most herbivores have a lower acidity stomach and have evolved to spend long periods of time grazing. Plus carnivores have much more intestinal bacteria, which is why carnivore poop smells the worst.

Cows don't eat meat, deer don't eat meat, horses don't eat meat! Even when given the option to they do not eat meat! It's because they can't. Same reason with lions, panthers, or wolves. They aren't meant to eat plants. They are not made for grinding down plant matter, nor for digesting it.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22155039 - 08/28/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your wrong, all of those animals are documented and will snatch up small animals.
I'm not sure if you are right on the other things.
I prefer to keep my bias with this. Thank god we have an infinitely better culture. They sacrificed tens of thousands, I have no want to empathise with what they believed, and no amount of cultural relativism will make them seem less aweful


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    #22155070 - 08/28/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's been speculated the amount of people sacrificed was greatly exagerated as a way to make the aztec people seem more demonic to the "good christians" at the time. That way the spanish had no moral obligation to not massacre a whole society.

But if you wanna be honest, western culture has caused more than it's fair share of atrocities. Whether it be the holocaust, massacres of whole indigenous peoples, large amounts of systematical racial slavery, racism itself is a form from western culture. Not to mention the Trail of Tears, rape and pillaging of native americans, killing tribes that helped, and turning back on tribal allies who staked their whole existence for the united states.

Or if you want more recent atrocities, dropping bombs on civilians, massacring villagers in Vietnam, Nuclear bomb on hiroshima, funding dictators, giving weapons to terrorists, and more.

Also, do you ahve any proof of such things? I used to work as a rancher for my family, and hunt still quite often and have never seen either cow or deer eat another animal.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22155092 - 08/28/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There are articles and videos about herbivores doi g that online. It isn't surprising, since there isn't some magic thing that makes meat inedible to them. I don't buy the trumped up numbers argument for the Aztecs, since they were killing all sorts of tribes before the Spanish even arrived. They were cunts. I get it, western culture made some mistakes. I'm not indulging your white guilt. Today, right now, our culture is better, in every way except maybe spiritual. They were dedicated


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    #22155160 - 08/28/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The thing is, the aztecs made great technological, farming, and astrological achievements. Even on par with much of europe at the time. As well as the capital city Tenochtitlan, was on par if not larger than most European cities at the time.

But if you downplay every wrongdoing of your own culture as a mistake, then you are enforcing these decisions. They weren't mistakes, these things didn't just happened once. The majority of these atrocities happened over relatively long periods of time.

The aztec culture and traditions still lives on, although has changed quite a lot. The majority of a lot of mexico's belief systems are a mix of christanity and aztec religions. There's actually been an aztec culture movement in mexico more recently. Any sacrifices done today are usually done with one's own blood(which was commonly done in the aztec empire as well) and are absent of actual human death.

It's not white guilt to call out wrong doings. I'm not even white though :lol:

I will admit I was wrong that there are deer and cows eating meat though, but not to such an extent as require it for nutrients. Much more of an opportunistic thing. But they do not hunt down the meat, as the majority of stuff I saw were human influenced or eating decaying and already dead animals. Hippos are an exception as they will occasionally hunt down antelope. Herbivores can't effectively digest meat they eat either. But man, Hippos are scary as shit actually.


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    #22155577 - 08/28/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What's ego death? I thought it was when you leave your waffles in the toaster to long?:shrug:


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    #22155663 - 08/28/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Animals die by my hand every day.  Not just one or two but many.  If anyone should be whining it's me.  shut up.





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    #22155673 - 08/28/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Animals die by my hand every day.  Not just one or two but many.  If anyone should be whining it's me.  shut up.





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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22155719 - 08/28/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Of all unintended pregnancies, 4 in 10 are aborted. There are approximately 1.21 million abortions in America each year. There has been a steady decline in abortions since 1980. Each year, about 2% of all women aged 15-44 have an abortion.





Abortion of human lives in the US proceeds at the same rate as did the Holocaust in the early 1940s.





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    #22155759 - 08/28/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Wasn't Einstein's theory proven incorrect, although heavily influential, when it was determined the speed of light is not a constant?




No, it wasn't proven incorrect. Some questions were raised by an experiment at CERN, where they may have shown that the speed of light is not constant. However, Einstein's theory of relativity and his conservation of energy equation are still used in Quantum mechanics every day. It is generally accepted to be correct.

Newton's second law, F=ma, is also used extensively today. Even though it doesn't account for quantum effects.

Both laws are good enough to use them as truths, unless there are special circumstances that invalidate them.


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    #22156904 - 08/28/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe ruminants can't, I don't know. Others should have no problem since, as I said, meat is much easier to digest then plants and herbivores have a much more comprehensive digestive system with longer guts and whatnot.
I do t downplay my culture's failiurs, bit white people have no pride anymore. Most cultures have done bad things. We didn't sacrifice thousands of other people from other tribes on top of a pyramid to appease our gods, and we kind of brought industry and technology out. We have plenty to be proud of.
Yeah, it probably 'rivled' smaller European cities, but they were still a bunch of human sacrificers who did it by the thousands.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22157377 - 08/28/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I can definitely say that Japanese internment camps, and the holocaust were much more of a human rights violation than sacrificing people people religiously at a much smaller scale.

At least they weren't treated like scum and starved for years.

Industry would have arised even if europe never rose to a prominent power. The middle east had quite a few technological advancements, as did the natives of the Americas. Not to mention the giant technological advancements the chinese had.

If anything, europe fucked the world over, and the ideology still fucks the world over today. Why else would people blatantly not give a shit about destroying the planet to make a quick buck if it weren't for corporate fueled greed.

I agree, many cultures have done bad things, but you are downplaying the shit that western culture has caused by pretending that they were the most beneficial thing to happen to the world, so any thing they did wrong didn't matter.

But I think white people should have as much pride as anyone else. It's not racist to have pride where you are from.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22157424 - 08/28/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.vegetarismus.ch/vegepet/tyke.htm

A Violent Birth

Georges and Margaret Westbeau, standing outside the thick steel bars of the cage, watched nervously. Inside, a vicious, raging beast baring razor claws and glistening fangs, roared. Flinging herself at the couple, who watched from barely three feet away, her suffering amber eyes defied their presence.

Always, in the past, this lioness destroyed her offspring as soon as they were born. Four times in the last seven years, her powerful jaws had crushed her newborn cubs, furiously throwing them against her cage's bars where they tumbled, lifeless.

Denying the normal instincts of motherhood, what possessed this lioness? Her life mocked its former freedom. She lived a caged animal, taken from the wild and tortured by those who captured her. Did she feel that by destroying her cubs they would be spared the humiliation that she endured?

Suddenly, the newborn cub came flying towards the people anxiously watching. Georges quickly grabbed the cub through the bars before it could be killed. Its right front leg dangled helplessly from its mother's brutal jaws. In the face of such fury the only thing the human could say was, 'You poor little tike'.

The Westbeaus took the three-pound 'Little Tyke' to their Hidden Valley Ranch near Seattle and there it joined the menagerie of other animals including horses, cattle, and chickens. Curious peacocks lined the housetop, kittens peered through a picket fence, and two terriers danced with joy for the new addition to the household. Drinking bottles of warm milk, Little Tyke began the long road to recovery.

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With the advice of experts the Westbeaus began weaning Little Tyke onto solid food at three months. Leaving only a favorite doll, they removed most of her rubber toys, replacing them with bones from freshly slaughtered beef. They carried the small cub to the bones. Unexpectedly, she violently threw up!

Experts told them in no uncertain terms that lions couldn't live without meat. In the wild, lions ate only flesh - eleven pounds a day for an adult female. Alarmed at Little Tyke's strange behavior, they wondered at how they could introduce meat into her diet? In the meantime, they continued feeding Little Tyke baby cereal mixed with milk.

A well meaning friend suggested mixing beef blood with milk, in increasing proportions. Given milk containing ten drops of blood, Little Tyke would have nothing to do with it. They mixed in five drops of blood, and hid that bottle. As she sucked on the plain milk they quickly switched bottles. Again she refused it. In desperation they added one drop of blood to a full bottle of milk, but Little Tyke refused this bottle as well, and they could only stare in amazement.
Another friend suggested putting plain milk in one hand, and milk mixed with hamburger in the palm of the other hand. Little Tyke readily licked the milk from one hand, but when Georges changed hands, she immediately turned away. Sensing her distress, Georges wiped his hands on a nearby towel and picked her up. Hissing in fear and cringing away, she looked sick from the danger-smell of meat on his hand. She only settled down when given a fresh bottle of milk held in washed hands.

Thousand-dollar reward

At nine months old and weighing sixty-five pounds, Little Tyke had the splints and bandages on her leg taken off for the last time. She slowly learned to depend on the healed leg, and mingled with other animals on the ranch.

Since the ranch didn't earn enough income to make ends meet, the Westbeaus ran a small cold storage plant in town. Little Tyke came with them when they went to work and word got around about this vegetarian lioness. When she was four years old, the Westbeaus advertised a thousand dollar reward for anyone who could devise a method tricking Little Tyke into eating meat. Numerous plans met with failure since Little Tyke refused to have anything to do with flesh.

The answer

The caretakers of this gentle animal sought out animal experts, always asking them about diet. Finally, one young visitor set their mind at ease. With serious eyes he turned to them and asked, 'Don't you read your Bible? Read Genisis 1:30, and you will get your answer.' At his first opportunity Georges read in astonishment, 'And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.' At that point, after four years, the Westbeaus finally stopped worrying.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22157507 - 08/28/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The west is kind of more diverse then just one culture. The comparison is unfair. So all of the west is responsible for the holocaust? I'm talking more English and American culture. Not every white country is the same. I'm not saying we haven't done bad things. All cultures do. We were pretty fucked up when the Spanish and English got here, but everything pre WWI is kind of different.
Yeah, the the Middle East leading I dustry. What a joke. We have no reason to believe that. The fact is, it did start here and to make assumptions it would have just sprang up is unfounded. Besides, the muslems would get scared all this technology would take attention from Allah.


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    #22157549 - 08/28/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Radical islam wasn't around up until recently. The majority of radical islam formed form the US intervention in the middle east. I know that Western culture is very varied,but I can state plenty of atrocities that the US had done, or the dutch, or the germans.

But western culture as a whole is the cause for systematic racism. It is also responsible for the massacre and displacement of indigenous people, throughout the world! Even ones that offered only gifts and help, and even were allies to the end.

Did you know that up until around the 1970s, it was illegal for natives to practice traditional culture in the US? The US has caused tons of atrocities within the past 50 years alone.

The middle east was a haven of creativity and knowledge before the crusades came and fucked everything up. China was leading in technology at the time as well. If europe didn't decide to try and fuck the world over, we would live in a very different world. But technology would still have developed, most likely similar as the rate now.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22157593 - 08/28/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

All Islam is radical pretty much, unless they aren't following the book. They follow their book in the Islamic world. The west created racism? You are just spewing liberal crap now.
Yeah, the crusades weren't what toppled the middle East, it was a certain group of people flattening g Baghdad in the 1200's. The crusades were retaliation for centuries of encroachment by Islam. They take over, displace non Muslems, and make Christians pay a tax. Keep riding that six hundred year old time when the middle East was relatively OK, and ignore today when it is an intolerant place where only a moron would want to go
You probably think Palestinians are in 'retaliating' against New aggression too


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22157661 - 08/28/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Palestine is retaliating because they have been oppressed an invaded by isreal for quite a long time. Not to mention because of the spite of their land just being given away.

I didn't say they caused racism, I'm saying the west caused the systematic racism of many groups of people to such an extent of it treating other races like trash. Blacks were not systematically oppressed until the dutch and much of the americas participated in heavy slave trade. Native americans were seen as savages and not even human by much of America by the 1700s.

The west repressed cultures, and caused some of the biggest religious onslaught that had ever existed.

Racism existed, but it was not to the extent of murdering, enslaving, or oppressing whole groups of people based solely on the color of thier skin or where they are from.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Including in the US. It has radicals just as Christianity does, but radicals do not make up the majority. You're just spewing anti muslim propaganda that they are all terrible, when in reality they aren't. The US is to blame for a lot of the radical islam groups rising up.


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    #22159076 - 08/29/15 01:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Muslims" are about 600 years behind the West.

In 13 "Muslim" countries, people can be executed for being an atheist.

It is also standard Muslim belief that women are basically slaves to men who can be beaten if they disobey -- including if they refuse to have sex whenever their husband wants. (In other words -- they can be raped.) They can, and have been stoned to death for adultery. For instance, in Somalia, a 13 year old girl was gang raped. When she reported it to the police, she was arrested and charged with adultery. She was then sentenced and stoned to death.

It is hard to sympathize with the Palestinans when they are into the same things. For instance, a 26 year old male student who became an atheist, had a website that was critical of Islam. He was arrested, jailed and tortured. Many people were calling for the death penalty. He ended up fleeing the West Bank and was given asylum in France. He was sentenced to 71/2 years in jail in absentia.


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