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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154884 - 08/28/15 04:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd eat OP if could :lol:



You and Jeffrey Dahmer.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154887 - 08/28/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Chimpanzees are OMNIVORES. They have evolved to be able to have a varied diet. Humans are omnivores as well. We wouldn't have succeeded as a species if we were not omnivores. So many places people have to have lived solely on a meat based diet.

Look at the Inuit for example. The majority of their food comes from whales. They wouldn't be able to survive in the climate without it.



Is this a reply fail or are you addressing me saying I can't live off meat alone? The Inuit do eat plant based matter. May not be the ratio we see elsewhere, but they do it. Living on meat alone can have some pretty bad effects on us. We have the brain power to possibly overcome it but I'd rather not have health issues I have to correct through unnatural methods. As I said earlier, omnivore doesn't really mean either-or. It means (besides unnatural measures like dietary supplements) we need both. Both types of food provide us with the things our bodies need to function normally.

A good analogy is a car. It needs a pretty precise mix of variables to run cleanly and extend it's life. You can drive your car when it's misfiring and stalling, and it may not do much harm in the short term, but over time it's going to start to take it's toll.
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I'd eat OP if could :lol:



You and Jeffrey Dahmer.



Nah he did it out of some weird perversion. I'd do it because my food eats your food, therefore you are my food. You wanna be a vegetarian? Guess what. Herbivores are below me in the food chain.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154891 - 08/28/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
I'd eat OP if could :lol:



You and Jeffrey Dahmer.



Nah he did it out of some weird perversion. I'd do it because my food eats your food, therefore you are my food. You wanna be a vegetarian? Guess what. Herbivores are below me in the food chain.



Oh riiiight --

Dahmer was a perverted cannibal, but you wouldn't be.

Uh huh.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: endogenous]
    #22154900 - 08/28/15 04:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't fuck what I plan to eat.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154923 - 08/28/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that big cat made a choice, right. Also, psyches make people into pussies alot of the time, and it isn't always a healthy way to be


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22154929 - 08/28/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't have the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about.

I'm afraid to even ask you to elaborate or explain because it's probably going to be an entire paragraph of indecipherable nonsense.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154932 - 08/28/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

An animal can't 'choose' to be vegetarian, just like it doesn't choose to kill cubs, because it doesn't have reasoning. And taking psychedelics makes people into pussies, and they think they are enlightened or something, when really they are just vulnerable


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22154950 - 08/28/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What the fuck does that have to do with anything I've said?

Carnivores need meat to survive, their bodies are built around eating meat. Herbivores are the same. Omnivores are the same. This is just the way it is. This is evolution. Get a pet cat and feed it grass, watch what happens. Get a cow and feed it meat, watch what happens. Take the choice away from both. There you have it, evo-fucking-lution. They both die, and pretty quickly. Us being omnivores we may last a bit longer on just one with no special dietary supplements, but eventually we fall to this as well.

Animals do choose to kill their young. They do it for a number of reasons. Two of the main ones are poor genetics and because there's no guarantee they'd ever make it to breeding age and in tight spots if that's the only food available to ensure more offspring can be made, then it's nessecary for the continuation of the species to eat them and live to breed another day.

The part about psychedelics I have no idea what the fuck your point is with it. I still don't know what your point is or what you're trying to say. You aren't making any damn sense. I'm sure in your head you're making some grand argument, but you aren't. You aren't saying anything that is even remotely relevant or based in logic.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22154966 - 08/28/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My reply wasn't for you :lol: I just forgot to use the reply feature. Oops.

@specialpeopleclub
The aztecs were known to consume psychedelic mushrooms quite often. They were also some of the fiercest warriors in central america, so what's your point? Plus I don't see how caring makes someone a pussy, as the majority of psych users are pretty caring IME.

@endogenous
Do you have proof of the lion actually being vegetarian? Because you have to realize, lions cannot digest the majority of plants. Their digestive structure, teeth, claws, and everything were made to hunt. Overlooking that fact is idiotic. They can't chew plants well and they can't digest hard fibers.

Not anymore than you can eat grass.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22154980 - 08/28/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think you understand what facilitates a choice.
I think it was you that said earlier how drugs helped you become vegetarian. It may not have been.
We aren't the Aztrcs, we are a bunch of doughy cunts who think love and empathy are the way.
That is not evolution, and herbivores will gladly eat animals they can catch, don't think it is so simple.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22154994 - 08/28/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think I've ever been as lost as I am right now on this forum.

Is it just my meds and shit, or special just not making any sense? I can't tell who he's talking to, or what he's replying to.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22155002 - 08/28/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Herbivores stomachs, teeth, and whole freaking body are not made to eat meat. They don't eat animals because they CAN'T.

It was the person who made this thread who said they were a vegetarian, I love meat and see no moral wrong with it. IMO, it's about the same as eating anything, because it's all alive.

You don't really know aztec culture if you think they weren't about love and empathy. It was considered an honor to be sacrificed. And war was perceived to keep the world alive and appease the gods for the benefit of all. It was even said that if you were sacrificed, you would live with the gods without having to go through the trials of the underworld.

Also, one week of the year, the poor and the slaves were treated like royalty. And the rich were pretty much servants.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22155017 - 08/28/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like a whole lot of love and empathy.
Meat is easier to digest then plants are


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22155032 - 08/28/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, you have to look at it without a cultural bias. Such as sacrificing wasn't considered a bad thing, as in the aztec religion many of the gods sacrificed their mortal forms(by cutting out thier own heart, or flaying their own skin) to keep the world alive. So many demanded it as a sort of tribute.

Meat is easier to digest for omnivores, and it contains tons of nutrients. But most herbivores have a lower acidity stomach and have evolved to spend long periods of time grazing. Plus carnivores have much more intestinal bacteria, which is why carnivore poop smells the worst.

Cows don't eat meat, deer don't eat meat, horses don't eat meat! Even when given the option to they do not eat meat! It's because they can't. Same reason with lions, panthers, or wolves. They aren't meant to eat plants. They are not made for grinding down plant matter, nor for digesting it.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22155039 - 08/28/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your wrong, all of those animals are documented and will snatch up small animals.
I'm not sure if you are right on the other things.
I prefer to keep my bias with this. Thank god we have an infinitely better culture. They sacrificed tens of thousands, I have no want to empathise with what they believed, and no amount of cultural relativism will make them seem less aweful


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22155070 - 08/28/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's been speculated the amount of people sacrificed was greatly exagerated as a way to make the aztec people seem more demonic to the "good christians" at the time. That way the spanish had no moral obligation to not massacre a whole society.

But if you wanna be honest, western culture has caused more than it's fair share of atrocities. Whether it be the holocaust, massacres of whole indigenous peoples, large amounts of systematical racial slavery, racism itself is a form from western culture. Not to mention the Trail of Tears, rape and pillaging of native americans, killing tribes that helped, and turning back on tribal allies who staked their whole existence for the united states.

Or if you want more recent atrocities, dropping bombs on civilians, massacring villagers in Vietnam, Nuclear bomb on hiroshima, funding dictators, giving weapons to terrorists, and more.

Also, do you ahve any proof of such things? I used to work as a rancher for my family, and hunt still quite often and have never seen either cow or deer eat another animal.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22155092 - 08/28/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There are articles and videos about herbivores doi g that online. It isn't surprising, since there isn't some magic thing that makes meat inedible to them. I don't buy the trumped up numbers argument for the Aztecs, since they were killing all sorts of tribes before the Spanish even arrived. They were cunts. I get it, western culture made some mistakes. I'm not indulging your white guilt. Today, right now, our culture is better, in every way except maybe spiritual. They were dedicated


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22155160 - 08/28/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The thing is, the aztecs made great technological, farming, and astrological achievements. Even on par with much of europe at the time. As well as the capital city Tenochtitlan, was on par if not larger than most European cities at the time.

But if you downplay every wrongdoing of your own culture as a mistake, then you are enforcing these decisions. They weren't mistakes, these things didn't just happened once. The majority of these atrocities happened over relatively long periods of time.

The aztec culture and traditions still lives on, although has changed quite a lot. The majority of a lot of mexico's belief systems are a mix of christanity and aztec religions. There's actually been an aztec culture movement in mexico more recently. Any sacrifices done today are usually done with one's own blood(which was commonly done in the aztec empire as well) and are absent of actual human death.

It's not white guilt to call out wrong doings. I'm not even white though :lol:

I will admit I was wrong that there are deer and cows eating meat though, but not to such an extent as require it for nutrients. Much more of an opportunistic thing. But they do not hunt down the meat, as the majority of stuff I saw were human influenced or eating decaying and already dead animals. Hippos are an exception as they will occasionally hunt down antelope. Herbivores can't effectively digest meat they eat either. But man, Hippos are scary as shit actually.


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: Achillita]
    #22155577 - 08/28/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What's ego death? I thought it was when you leave your waffles in the toaster to long?:shrug:


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Re: 9/11 every second [Re: sprinkles]
    #22155663 - 08/28/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Animals die by my hand every day.  Not just one or two but many.  If anyone should be whining it's me.  shut up.





it sounds like you're bragging


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