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Is Perlite essential?
#22129152 - 08/22/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, so I currently have cakes colonizing, and they're getting pretty close to being fully colonized, so I figured I'd start preparing for the next step: My idea was to use a aluminum disposable baking tray you can get from Kroger or Walmart, add in my casing and cakes, put the top on, and wait. However, I've been researching a lot, and a lot of people will use perlite when it comes to waiting for your mycelia to finally fruit. To make this short, will my plan work, and do I HAVE to have perlite for my substrate to fruit?
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Mad Season
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If you plan on using a sgfc you need perlite. You can always just spawn mini monos if you want.
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Perlite is essential for a shotgun fruiting chamber, yes.
It sounds like you might be confused on what is and isn't necessary. You also used the word "casings" so that's another concern.
How are you going to fruit these if not in a SGFC with perlite? What are these "casings" you're doing? If they're broken up PF cakes in a tray with a casing layer added over the top, then okay that's fine. But you'd call that cased crumbled cakes, or something like that, since a "casing" isn't really a term that describes anything accurately.
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Re: Is Perlite essential? [Re: Inocuole]
#22129193 - 08/22/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Perlite is essential for a shotgun fruiting chamber, yes.
It sounds like you might be confused on what is and isn't necessary. You also used the word "casings" so that's another concern.
How are you going to fruit these if not in a SGFC with perlite? What are these "casings" you're doing? If they're broken up PF cakes in a tray with a casing layer added over the top, then okay that's fine. But you'd call that cased crumbled cakes, or something like that, since a "casing" isn't really a term that describes anything accurately.
Okay, so my " casing I was reffering to is a mixture to verm, peat moss, and calcium carbonate (layer 1), then crumbled cakes (layer 2), and then verm, pear moss, calcium carbonate, and crushed oyster shells (layer 3 )I was going to put all of that in the aluminum container to make a sort of monotub. (I'm a n00bie, so my wording might be wrong) The idea is that the crumbled cakes will colonize the verm mix and then fruit. What I'm wondering is if perlite is needed at all. I wasn't going to come holes in the container that way it would act as a terrarium as well.
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Re: Is Perlite essential? [Re: Inocuole]
#22129195 - 08/22/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What exactly are you trying to do? Give us step-by-step instructions.
It sounds like you're setting up to fail.
You can fruit your cakes as-is or you can crumble and case in a tray. Either way you're gonna need a FC, and a shotgun FC is the best of that style. It will need perlite.
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Okay so definitely don't put a casing layer on the bottom of your substrate. If you do monotubs (correctly built) then you won't need perlite. But cubensis don't even need a casing layer, let alone one with oyster shells, and definitely not one under the substrate. The casing layer's purpose is to increase the humidity and microclimate near the surface of the substrate. It's not food.
Can't you just mix the cakes with some coir and verm and put that in a mini mono? Pastywhyte has a tek on mini monos.
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Re: Is Perlite essential? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22129206 - 08/22/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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K, you gave instructions.
1) don't use aluminum. Myc will eat it. It won't hurt you, but it'll hurt your myc when it gets waterlogged. Use plastic.
2) fuck all that layering shit. Grind your cakes with a cheese grater, make a 3-5" layer in a tray and case with 50/50+. No bottom layer, no bullshit. One layer of cakes, 1/2" or so of 50/50+ on top.
3) you're not gonna pull this off mono-style with any kind of decent yield. Build a SGFC and put your tray in it.
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You don't need to bottom layer. Also honestly just mixing it into coir verm and gypsum is a much better way of doing things. If you do a tray make a sgfc. You can also make a mini mono.
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Re: Is Perlite essential? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22129216 - 08/22/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think spawning cakes to bulk is a waste of time for the most part. They're already about 2/3 verm, which could be considered a bulk sub. You don't want your grain stretched farther than that for maximum yields for multiple grows (value of real estate for new subs included in this equation.)
If you plan to only ever do this grow and no more, you could spawn them to bulk and wait till it flushes completely out. If you wanna do more, pumping out a couple flushes without bulk and replacing it will get you more mushrooms per square inch per day than stretching it.
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Re: Is Perlite essential? [Re: Mad Season]
#22129224 - 08/22/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: You don't need to bottom layer. Also honestly just mixing it into coir verm and gypsum is a much better way of doing things. If you do a tray make a sgfc. You can also make a mini mono.
sgfc mini monos
Okay guys, I think I got it figured out now. I'm sorry for the confusion, and I appreciate the help! I went back and checked, the casing I intended to use was the 50/50+ tek. If I got it straight, don't use a bottom layer, and make a mini mono tub. Thank you so much guys!
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Or forget the casing layer altogether and just mix the cakes with coir/verm evenly. That's gonna probably yield the best. But any of those options that were said will all work.
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