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Hpoo cakes?
    #22127907 - 08/22/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Has anybody tried taking a a jar of pasteurized hpoo, and adding colonized grain to the jar, letting it colonize, and fruiting like a cake? just stoney thoughts of how to use small amounts of leftover grain.


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22127948 - 08/22/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see why it wouldn't work. If you used the grain recently.

I usually just bury the grain in my houseplants soil, as they will fruit small shrooms occasionally, and mycelium will get along well with plants. (this caused a bug infestation in one of my plants though, so use with caution) I do like this idea though for larger amounts of leftovers, I might give it a shot myself.


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22127978 - 08/22/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well with that being 1st response, ill let you know how it goes, cause i did it lol but you know how closed minded people are if you say you did something
"rah rah rah idiot you wasted good spawn"
But i have a sgfc, and the jar i mixed it in has a hole with micropore for GE :P


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22127985 - 08/22/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I usually just bury the grain in my houseplants soil, as they will fruit small shrooms occasionally, and mycelium will get along well with plants. (this caused a bug infestation in one of my plants though, so use with caution)




please explain? bugs? what bugs? (only thing i can think is fungus gnats??) what where they attracted to? just curious as ive been doing the same... a heads up on whats nunus i should expect would be great...:takingnotes:


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Phototropism]
    #22128373 - 08/22/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I usually just bury the grain in my houseplants soil, as they will fruit small shrooms occasionally, and mycelium will get along well with plants. (this caused a bug infestation in one of my plants though, so use with caution)




please explain? bugs? what bugs? (only thing i can think is fungus gnats??) what where they attracted to? just curious as ive been doing the same... a heads up on whats nunus i should expect would be great...:takingnotes:



They're very small, numerous, seem to dig below the surface of the soil. (they all come to the surface when I water it) they might be a white-ish color.

They're still in there...I'd say they were attracted to the wbs and/or the fungus itself.

I've never had bug infestations in a plant before so I'm taking the "ignore it and hope it goes away" approach :thumbup:


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22128436 - 08/22/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Has anybody tried taking a a jar of pasteurized hpoo, and adding colonized grain to the jar, letting it colonize, and fruiting like a cake? just stoney thoughts of how to use small amounts of leftover grain.




This thread seems a bit out of place in "Advanced Mycology".


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: emf]
    #22128614 - 08/22/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

where is it better suited?,"Advanced mycology" reads ", this forum is dedicated to the discussion of experimental procedure" so since i couldn't find anything on grain spawn to hpoo in a jar and fruited like a cake through my extensive searching i figured it was experimental :P


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22128671 - 08/22/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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where is it better suited?,"Advanced mycology" reads ", this forum is dedicated to the discussion of experimental procedure" so since i couldn't find anything on grain spawn to hpoo in a jar and fruited like a cake through my extensive searching i figured it was experimental :P



you may be sort of right, but I'm 100% certain this would get moved to mushroom cultivation if a mod saw it


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22130537 - 08/23/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just add the manure to the top of the grains and then fruit after full colonization. Here's a thread on something similar:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22040847#22040847

They used whole brown rice and coir but you get the idea. :shrug:

If it deals with actual "mycology" then it belongs here. If you are only considering the "cultivation" of mushrooms and not the biology of them then it would be better suited in mush cult. That is the main difference, mycology/biology vs. cultivation.

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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22130965 - 08/23/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)


this is one day after, just so everyone can see what we are talking about


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22132449 - 08/23/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i think i might just let this thing colonize and just take the top off and let it fruit from the jar instead of mangling the growth to be trying to get it out of that jar, think it would be better in my sgfc in the jar or on a shelf?


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22132473 - 08/23/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984#21390984
Fruiting in jars works well according to violet.

Only problem is your jar looks like it might be too full for invitro, so you may be better off opening it and sticking it in the SGFC. pic isn't the best quality though


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22132502 - 08/23/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've never done in vitro but I do know that fruiting from the tops of opened jars is a very good way to go, in fact it works so well that many commercial mushrooms like enoki's are cultivated this way.

I don't know why the in vitro tech was invented except maybe to avoid using a FC which is cheap, small and easy to build so again I don't know why anyone would do in vitro... not trying to start anything here just confused as to the teks purpose.


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: mackrel]
    #22132608 - 08/23/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I started looking into it as a way of making more sterile spore prints/swabs. Its also nice for the low maintenance.

Violet also makes it sound great for testing isolates

But yeah if you're just going for yield bulk is better.


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22132750 - 08/23/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah sorry, i didn't have access to my main picture taking device just a quick one with webacam, I'm doing it solely for the purpose of experimentation, i also have like half a pint of colonized rye that I'ma make some mycelium slurry out of :tongue:


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22133377 - 08/23/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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fruiting from the tops of opened jars is a very good way to go, in fact it works so well that many commercial mushrooms like enoki's are cultivated this way.




Thats what I'm thinking, definitely put it in the SGFC, if you get dirty prints clean them on agar or clone a nice cluster from your next batch.


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: emf]
    #22133606 - 08/24/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Has anybody tried taking a a jar of pasteurized hpoo, and adding colonized grain to the jar, letting it colonize, and fruiting like a cake? just stoney thoughts of how to use small amounts of leftover grain.




This thread seems a bit out of place in "Advanced Mycology".



I guess everything is relative. I was thinking the same thing though


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: azur]
    #22134856 - 08/24/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

like, put the open jar in my sgfc, or mangle the cake as little as possible and fruit it normal, the growth is insane on it today, should be done day after tomorrow, its such nice white mycelium thick healthy and aggressive as fuck, GT from MS Vendor syringe :P


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22135062 - 08/24/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well you probably won't be able to pull it out of that jar as one cake, not even wide mouth quart jars are suitable for cakes due to the change from a rounded rectangle body to a circular opening. I have actually seen wide mouth quart jars that are a uniform cylinder and would work for cakes but judging from your picture you aren't using one.

Just pop the top in your sgfc and you should get about as good of yields as a cake, after all yield is generally based more on nutrient availability (or lack thereof) and less on the surface area of the substrate exposed to fruiting (this is a broad statement and is not always the case). Fruiting lions mane is a good example of this; you will get the same yields if you expose the whole block as if you just puncture a few tiny holes in the bag but the fruits from the tiny holes will be much larger overall.


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: mackrel]
    #22141455 - 08/25/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well you probably won't be able to pull it out of that jar as one cake, not even wide mouth quart jars are suitable for cakes due to the change from a rounded rectangle body to a circular opening. I have actually seen wide mouth quart jars that are a uniform cylinder and would work for cakes but judging from your picture you aren't using one.

Just pop the top in your sgfc and you should get about as good of yields as a cake, after all yield is generally based more on nutrient availability (or lack thereof) and less on the surface area of the substrate exposed to fruiting (this is a broad statement and is not always the case). Fruiting lions mane is a good example of this; you will get the same yields if you expose the whole block as if you just puncture a few tiny holes in the bag but the fruits from the tiny holes will be much larger overall.




what about chunking the jar up(like with a fork in a SAB) and mixing with a cvg mix??


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Phototropism]
    #22141532 - 08/25/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

cvg?


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22141545 - 08/25/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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cvg?




coir verm gyps

Edit: have a read....http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20469910


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Phototropism]
    #22141554 - 08/25/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

why tho? its already a nute filled cake with the hpoo, feel? i just shook the fuck outta the jar so it can finish, ima put the jar in my sgfc with no lid :smile:


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22141574 - 08/25/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ja cool... but could maybe be more efficient... check the edit i made on last post...


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Phototropism]
    #22141621 - 08/25/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i don't have any of the stuff to make cvg mix, and i already have three tubs colonizing, but i looked at that tek and i might have to try it at some point.


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22141644 - 08/25/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

cool man! just a thought, not telling u what to do...

look forward to seeing how it goes!!:nyan:


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    #22141705 - 08/25/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

look out for updates, check out my other threads :smile:


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    #22145345 - 08/26/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

so it reached 100%.....and i spawned it to a small circle tub and will be fruiting as tray, i will add pics when its ready.


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22147735 - 08/26/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Worked good for me. Just not very good pinset because i used MS. Except i made my cake in a plastic box Velveeta cheese came in.


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    #22147799 - 08/26/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Worked good for me. Just not very good pinset because i used MS. Except i made my cake in a plastic box Velveeta cheese came in.





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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22153653 - 08/27/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey rbalzer, not to hijack the thread, but I'm willing to bet those small white bugs are aphids. You can control aphid populations by using Ladybugs.

Source: Aphids are attracted to cannabis plants, also lettuce, tomatoes and numerous others.


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: Case420]
    #22153678 - 08/27/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nice! Good thinking to use that leftover grain.

A couple questions though: Why did you have leftover colonized grain? Was that from a master jar? Maybe just a tiny bit that didn't shake out with the rest of the jar?

How much colonized grain are we talking here? Was it around 50:50 grain to hpoo?

I just ask out of curiosity. I've been playing around with some alternative cakes also, to supplement my monotubs.


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Re: Hpoo cakes? [Re: dankington]
    #22153861 - 08/27/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

its just what i had left after layering all my tubs and it wasnt much, like 25% grain 75% sub


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    #22163485 - 08/30/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This thread was moved from Advanced Mycology.

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Re: Hpoo cakes? (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #22163834 - 08/30/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm currently in the process of using 1qt pp5 square bowls to try the same thing. I'm going to fruit them once as cakes, and then spawn to trays for a larger second flush. Well, that's my plan anyway. They're about halfway colonized now.



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