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Bill_Oreilly said: ^^ you think so?
when I think of aliens, I think of a human that has evolved billions of years. An alien to me is something that can cross star systems in their spaceships. Big heads for bigger brains.
Thay seems like a very liner approach, where we just extrapolate the now into the future.We are so young and ignorant
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um humans fly around in spaceships too. at the rate technology evolves i don't think human biology needs to evolve to do that.
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
#22131693 - 08/23/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Planet earth could be considered a spaceship in itself
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
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Everything will probably be much stranger then that. You are making predictions of billion year technology from our pathetic vantage point
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no i'm making a prediction by looking at the evolutionary trend of technological advancement in comparison to the evolutionary trend of human biology.
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
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SurReality said: no i'm making a prediction by looking at the evolutionary trend of technological advancement in comparison to the evolutionary trend of human biology.
evolutionary biology is incomparably slow to recent technological advancement (obviously). on the sci-fi side of things we have no idea either if certain (undiscovered) evolutionary biologies may coincide better with technology and/or space travel, etc. we barely understand various 'signs' of gravity whilst having no true understanding what it is - we have no clue as to what evolution holds - though a quote by julian huxley is quite interesting in that "human beings are evolution become aware of itself".
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
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It is just one adaptation, and all trends end
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Prisoner#1 said: you seem to be making some assumptions that extra terrestrial life is a higher form of consciousness but by that measure wouldnt that make also make humans gods as well since we are the 'highest for of consciousness on this planet and also that atheists dont believe in the existence of extra terrestrial life
so tell me, why do you believe that being an atheist would mean someone couldnt believe in the existence of aliens
when I say aliens, im talking about aliens capable of visitation. Not little bugs crawling around Venus or something.
I already addressed your question.
again you're making an assumption on the ability of aliens to visit this or any other planet, just as you're making an assumption about the beliefs of athiests
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deity=higher consciousness=alien moat of the time. We can sit here and twist and turn what aliens could be, but when I say aliens, I mean something that we don't have the ability to understand because we are on a lower level compared to them.
you dont even have proof that aliens exist so how can you believe that they could be god if there are no aliens
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I assume atheists wouldn't believe in aliens because a God is just as plausible as aliens. The kind im talking about, anyway.
so it's as I stated, it's your opinions on what someone else believes, you choose to be of the opinion that atheists cant believe extra terrestrial life exists because you want to view these aliens as gods so in your mind, that association places them in the realm of disbelief for atheists
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Bill_Oreilly said: ^^ you think so?
when I think of aliens, I think of a human that has evolved billions of years. An alien to me is something that can cross star systems in their spaceships. Big heads for bigger brains.
so those bugs on other planets arent aliens
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Prisoner#1]
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the definition of alien is extraterrestrial life form. extra being outside of terra being earth.
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Bill_Oreilly said: ^^ you think so?
when I think of aliens, I think of a human that has evolved billions of years. An alien to me is something that can cross star systems in their spaceships. Big heads for bigger brains.
so those bugs on other planets arent aliens
the only good bug is a dead bug - and that bug would definitely be an 'alien'. intelligent aliens are another thing, and as carl sagan put it, is there intelligent life ON earth? would an advanced alien bug race see us as advanced aliens? or bugs? and besides there's no way to quantitatively measure what humans/technology will look like in a billion years. we've only been an industrial nation for about 100 years, and a species 'at all' for not much longer (couple hundred thousand years aka nothing on evolutionary timescale) we have literally nothing to compare to... to assume humans will even be around in a billion years is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Bill_Oreilly said: ^^ you think so?
when I think of aliens, I think of a human that has evolved billions of years. An alien to me is something that can cross star systems in their spaceships. Big heads for bigger brains.
so those bugs on other planets arent aliens
not the aliens im talking about when im making my argument against atheism being logical.
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and pris, all you are doing is arguing about definitions.
You are steering away from the fact that atheism= not believing in a deity which= not believing in anything that has consciousness outside of what is on this earth.
So you are telling me that atheists can believe in aliens? Give me a break. If that is true..then they mind as well be open to God or gods as well. You are playing around with words.
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Bill_Oreilly said: and pris, all you are doing is arguing about definitions.
You are steering away from the fact that atheism= not believing in a deity which= not believing in anything that has consciousness outside of what is on this earth.
So you are telling me that atheists can believe in aliens? Give me a break. If that is true..then they mind as well be open to God or gods as well. You are playing around with words.
The definition of deity is not "something that has consciousness outside of Earth", it is "a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion), with divine status, quality, or nature". Your apparent definition of diety is actually an "intelligent alien", which you are confusing with diety.
An alien being could potentially be a diety, and have created us/the Universe, etc. We have no idea one way or the other.
Atheists absolutely CAN believe in aliens, because aliens =/= deities. That's just silly.
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How would a disbelief in god mean you can't believe in aliens. 5 of the most needed elements for life are in the top 8 most abundant elements in the universe. It seems like it would be simple to think there can be an abundance of life everywhere through natural causes rather than a higher intelligence putting it into place
I'm not saying that's true, I jus don't see the connection in your argument.
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SirShroomsAlott said: How would a disbelief in god mean you can't believe in aliens. 5 of the most needed elements for life are in the top 8 most abundant elements in the universe. It seems like it would be simple to think there is am abundance of life everywhere without a god putting it into place
I'm not saying that's true, I jus don't see the connection in your argument.
If we're talking about aliens I personally think the Universe is littered with intelligent life, though sheer space and expansion prevents most unfortunates like ourselves on the edge of galaxies from ever seeing or hearing anything from 'anyone else'. I wonder what the inner city of the Milky Way looks like in terms of life as opposed to our modest suburbs on the arm of the galaxy.
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you should watch the show rick and morty to get an idea of what the inner city of the milky way might look like
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: pfxtc]
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I just don't see how you can believe that God or gods are a ridiculous claim as an atheist then go ahead and say aliens are plausible.
and isn't "gods" another name for "aliens" ?
And I believe an alien can also be considered a deity.
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Bill_Oreilly said: I just don't see how you can believe that God or gods are a ridiculous claim as an atheist then go ahead and say aliens are plausible.
and isn't "gods" another name for "aliens" ?
And I believe an alien can also be considered a deity.
No, gods is simply not another name for aliens - in this regard you're wrong, I'm sorry.
Aliens absolutely are plausible, in fact I'd argue it's insanity to deny the potentialities of alien existence. Have you ever studied the sheer size of the Universe you live in? Believing we're the only intelligent ones is practically insane.
Gods imply that some being CREATED existence - which I would argue is impossible, and I would also argue the Universe is cyclical & fractal in nature. Of course I have no idea, as the workings of such a being would be impossible to understand from our perspective. This leads to life, and we are PROOF of that. We are ALIENS, like it or not, to any potential other lifeforms in the billions, and billions, and billions, of other planets, revolving around other stars.
If an alien were a God to us - whom would have created them? They would call it God as well, if it were a god.
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sounds like your just really into ancient aliens
also by the definition of god my common religions you can never see god or gods in this life/they don't have a physical body.
aliens who ride around the universe in spaceships have bodies.
so one can actually possible prove aliens exist
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
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SurReality said: you should watch the show rick and morty to get an idea of what the inner city of the milky way might look like
Will do but first you gotta learn how quick reply works.
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