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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: pfxtc]
#22131228 - 08/23/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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what do you think any other intelligent life would be a deity?
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Bill_Oreilly said: Then enlighten me
there is no enlightenment for you
so in other words im right. Also, you don't even now what atheism is.
Atheism is not believing in a God and believing humans are the top of the line as far as intelligence and that the world/life is an accident.
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"atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities."
so umm i pretty much hit the nail on the head
so in your opinion extra terrestrials are in fact gods
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22131263 - 08/23/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hey i said it first, don't steal my point pris!
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
#22131266 - 08/23/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SurReality said: hey i said it first, don't steal my point pris!
shut up you alien worshiper
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: psychodelia]
#22131274 - 08/23/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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To me atheism implies certainty. From my perspective, it's not all that intelligent to be certain about anything that cannot be proven.
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
#22131282 - 08/23/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SurReality said: what do you think any other intelligent life would be a deity?
..no.
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
#22131285 - 08/23/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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de·i·ty
a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion). "a deity of ancient Greece"
synonyms: god, goddess, divine being, supreme being, divinity, immortal; More creator, demiurge;
godhead
•divine status, quality, or nature.
I consider a higher form of consciousness a God. Any form. So an alien, since it would be a higher form of consciousness, it is a deity.
So a deity=higher consciousness.
atheists do not believe a deity could exist.
i don't know how i could spell it out any better.
and yes pris...I do consider an alien as a god. Its only logical. Im sure the majority would agree with me(maybe not on here, but the people who study these things
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#22131290 - 08/23/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: To me atheism implies certainty. From my perspective, it's not all that intelligent to be certain about anything that cannot be proven.
Exactly. To me, the only rational position is agnostic.
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
#22131319 - 08/23/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Exactly. To me, the only rational position is agnostic.
More than one rational rationale?
- Conclude that reality to be unfathomable (secondary adjectives may be beautiful, terrible, etc.), therefor any definition is inevitably narrow-minded.
- Conclude that reality to be too fantastic to be nothing, even if it turns out to be Nothing. Belief that something must have done something or at least be something.
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: psychodelia]
#22131416 - 08/23/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am a scientist and I am not an atheist. I am not religious either. Nor am I agnostic. I am however, spiritual. I might be intelligent. It depends on your definition of intelligent. I truly believe that there are some things that science just cannot explain.
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Bill_Oreilly said: de·i·ty
a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion). "a deity of ancient Greece"
synonyms: god, goddess, divine being, supreme being, divinity, immortal; More creator, demiurge;
godhead
•divine status, quality, or nature.
I consider a higher form of consciousness a God. Any form. So an alien, since it would be a higher form of consciousness, it is a deity.
So a deity=higher consciousness.
atheists do not believe a deity could exist.
i don't know how i could spell it out any better.
and yes pris...I do consider an alien as a god. Its only logical. Im sure the majority would agree with me(maybe not on here, but the people who study these things
you seem to be making some assumptions that extra terrestrial life is a higher form of consciousness but by that measure wouldnt that make also make humans gods as well since we are the 'highest for of consciousness on this planet and also that atheists dont believe in the existence of extra terrestrial life
so tell me, why do you believe that being an atheist would mean someone couldnt believe in the existence of aliens
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22131487 - 08/23/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even if there is a divine force, or god, it is defenately not represented in major religions. There is no doibt they are wrong
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22131512 - 08/23/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: I am a scientist and I am not an atheist. I am not religious either. Nor am I agnostic. I am however, spiritual. I might be intelligent. It depends on your definition of intelligent. I truly believe that there are some things that science just cannot explain.
There ya go. I like that 
and maybe i shouldn't have said that being agnostic is the only rational position. But its certainly a rational position.
I don't define myself as anything, really. I go through phases. I had my Christian phase..then my Muslim phase...then my Buddhist phase...then my agnostic phase...then my Pagan phase...
Where will i end?
I don't know...maybe ill make up my own phase based on DMT.
Something like.."I believe that nothing in the present moment is definable to the point of absolute conclusion. But when in higher states of consciousness, I become everything in that state. I become a Christian, i become a Hindu..i become an atheist...etc. Higher states of being are all that exists and my religion consists of only techniques to achieve those states...the main one being psychedelic use. I believe all humans exist everywhere simultaneously but this can only be known through the use of chemicals, because we are made of chemicals. If you are not striving towards boundary dissolution through entheogens then you cannot be part of this style of faith. This is because faith isn't needed once these states are successfully achieved."
i don't know...maybe something like that. I just came up with that off the top of my head so obviously there are screws to be tightened and nails to be hammered in.
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Atheism adresses beliefe, agnostasism adresses knowledge All atheists are agnostic, not all agnostics are atheist.
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"I do not believe in God." vs "I believe there is no God."
similar statements on the surface; yet one is a stated lack of belief in God, the other a stated belief in the lack of God two different approaches under the same umbrella of atheism
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22131547 - 08/23/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said: de·i·ty
a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion). "a deity of ancient Greece"
synonyms: god, goddess, divine being, supreme being, divinity, immortal; More creator, demiurge;
godhead
•divine status, quality, or nature.
I consider a higher form of consciousness a God. Any form. So an alien, since it would be a higher form of consciousness, it is a deity.
So a deity=higher consciousness.
atheists do not believe a deity could exist.
i don't know how i could spell it out any better.
and yes pris...I do consider an alien as a god. Its only logical. Im sure the majority would agree with me(maybe not on here, but the people who study these things
you seem to be making some assumptions that extra terrestrial life is a higher form of consciousness but by that measure wouldnt that make also make humans gods as well since we are the 'highest for of consciousness on this planet and also that atheists dont believe in the existence of extra terrestrial life
so tell me, why do you believe that being an atheist would mean someone couldnt believe in the existence of aliens
when I say aliens, im talking about aliens capable of visitation. Not little bugs crawling around Venus or something.
I already addressed your question.
deity=higher consciousness=alien moat of the time. We can sit here and twist and turn what aliens could be, but when I say aliens, I mean something that we don't have the ability to understand because we are on a lower level compared to them.
I assume atheists wouldn't believe in aliens because a God is just as plausible as aliens. The kind im talking about, anyway.
there is no sense in arguing with you because you change the definitions of whatever words you choose in order to find a little hole in the idea, then once you find it, you pound it and pound it and pound it, thus convincing yourself and others that you are right.
You know, there is this book titled "How to Win an Argument Every Time". I have read it but don't use the concepts in everyday bickering. But I swear you have read and it use it on people daily..
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shivas.wisdom said: "I do not believe in God." vs "I believe there is no God."
similar statements on the surface; yet one is a stated lack of belief in God, the other a stated belief in the lack of God two different approaches under the same umbrella of atheism
They are the same approach. It is a simple word that means ome thing
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the lack of a belief in God being uttered, in and of itself is a stated belief.
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Quote:
Bill_Oreilly said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said: de·i·ty
a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion). "a deity of ancient Greece"
synonyms: god, goddess, divine being, supreme being, divinity, immortal; More creator, demiurge;
godhead
•divine status, quality, or nature.
I consider a higher form of consciousness a God. Any form. So an alien, since it would be a higher form of consciousness, it is a deity.
So a deity=higher consciousness.
atheists do not believe a deity could exist.
i don't know how i could spell it out any better.
and yes pris...I do consider an alien as a god. Its only logical. Im sure the majority would agree with me(maybe not on here, but the people who study these things
you seem to be making some assumptions that extra terrestrial life is a higher form of consciousness but by that measure wouldnt that make also make humans gods as well since we are the 'highest for of consciousness on this planet and also that atheists dont believe in the existence of extra terrestrial life
so tell me, why do you believe that being an atheist would mean someone couldnt believe in the existence of aliens
when I say aliens, im talking about aliens capable of visitation. Not little bugs crawling around Venus or something.
I already addressed your question.
deity=higher consciousness=alien moat of the time. We can sit here and twist and turn what aliens could be, but when I say aliens, I mean something that we don't have the ability to understand because we are on a lower level compared to them.
I assume atheists wouldn't believe in aliens because a God is just as plausible as aliens. The kind im talking about, anyway.
there is no sense in arguing with you because you change the definitions of whatever words you choose in order to find a little hole in the idea, then once you find it, you pound it and pound it and pound it, thus convincing yourself and others that you are right.
You know, there is this book titled "How to Win an Argument Every Time". I have read it but don't use the concepts in everyday bickering. But I swear you have read and it use it on people daily..
well maybe you should just be more specific then, maybe interdimensional being or something like that. when most people think of aliens they think of being on about the same level like humanoids, im pretty sure.
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
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^^ you think so?
when I think of aliens, I think of a human that has evolved billions of years. An alien to me is something that can cross star systems in their spaceships. Big heads for bigger brains.
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